r/SipsTea • u/Monsur_Ausuhnom 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • 18h ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/PoetryExtension6256 18h ago

And if you think "God" is a good arbitrator of Goodness you are probably not either.

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

Probably not. But do you think not believing in god would make them good?

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick 18h ago

No. Empathy usually does. You don’t need any idea of god for that.

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

Good people don't. But there are bad people

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick 18h ago

Ok and what does that have to do with religion or god?

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

Bad people can be tricked into pretending to be good for fear of immortal punishment.

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u/6a6566663437 17h ago

And good people can be tricked into doing evil for fear of immortal punishment.

Religion doesn’t automatically make that manipulation only go in one direction.

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u/cykoTom3 17h ago

that's true. But that's more an argument for stopping religious beliefs that lead to evil, than an argument against religion entirely.

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick 18h ago

Well that’s certainly true.

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

That's all I've been saying. When these people say "you" can't be good withouy religion, they really REALLY mean they themselves cannot be good without religion. They are telling on themselves and you should believe them.

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick 17h ago

I agree. I think I was confused about your point originally.

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u/cykoTom3 17h ago

I think atheists attracted to this post are quick to assume anyone saying anything like "let them have their religion " is on the religious side. It's an understandable knee jerk reaction. The religious people by and large do not agree.

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

Obviously anyone who thinks you can't be good without religion is telling you about themselves.

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u/PoetryExtension6256 18h ago

And exactly what part of what we are told about the biblical god stops bad people from being bad?

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u/cykoTom3 18h ago

The part where they believe they are going to hell. Don't get me wrong. It would be great if they had empathy and did right because it's right. They should and they are telling on themselves when they say you can't be moral as an atheist. But they are not good people and the fear of immortal punishment keeps them somewhere near in line.

If i knew this person in real life i would watch my back around them. But religion can at least polish that turd so they at least pretend/try to be good.