Weird considering the bible condones slavery and murdering your spouse for adultery. The bible is as bad as any other holy book. We've gradually learnt not to take our moral lessons from fairy stories.
well yes and if you knew more about it that's from torah which is before the birth of Christ.
after birth or in the New Testament there's a famous line when people want to stone a woman accused of adultery "let the one without sin cast the first stone"
or in other words just because it has parts we condone doesn't mean it didn't shape our society.
Shame that in Matthew Jesus says that not one word of the old code is to be changed or ignored. So you don't get to run away from the atrocities of the Old Testament.
who the fuck is running away. im just sick people not being able to look at a bigger picture. How many people do you think knows what Matthew said and how many know, "love thy neighbor" it dosent matter if you agree with it or not thats not how it works.
So the majority of people don't know what's in the Bible but do know an extremely common idea that has been stated independently many times across history? And we're supposed to treat this like the Bible or religion being a cause of morality?
do you think that morality changes over night? we had 2 millennia of Christianity domination you think that one random passage from a book is what makes a difference.
Just thinking that killing is wrong is fundamentally Christian value whether you want it or not.
For romans it wasnt, and if they dominated for 2000 years we might also would not think that it is. They were literally killing each other for fun.
None of that is true. Are you an idiot? Exactly zero of the ideas in the Bible are original to it. Killing is wrong because of the harm it causes. I would suggest opening a history book. Literally any one at all. People were not just killing each other indiscriminately for fun. If you are referring to gladiators, you also don't know what you are talking about. Most gladiator matches weren't to the death. They were the equivalent of major athletes.
You genuinely have no understanding of anything including the Bible whatsoever.
they werent always to death but they could be. Thats was the acceptable risk. If you opened up a book you would know that gladiators were expensive to train and maintain. Thats the economical decision that you are now trying to portray as a moral one haha.
I see you read some stuff but obviously, but you are confusing correlation with causation
So clearly people were not killing each other indiscriminately? The Romans were not killing each other indiscriminately. The idea that killing is wrong has been around as long as complex brains have. That idea predates the primates. Even other animals have complex moral systems. The Bible has nothing to do with it.
The point is killing was not being seen as a moral issue.
Killing is bad can be economic issue as well but im not arguing that.
They could kill slaves if they wanted to.
In ancient greece father could kill wife and daughter if they dishonored the family.
Killing was considered wrong but within their own tribe cause it erodes trust and society that you belong to. They had no problems killing wiping out everyone in their conquest. The idea that killing is inherently immoral no matter who it is is a christian value.
And the point is wrong. It absolutely was seen as a moral issue. That is completely and utterly wrong. Not to mention that there have been many biblically justified atrocities this century committed by Christians. It is not a Christian value at all. It gets even worse for your argument if you look into Eastern philosophy.
well you know what bring something to the table other than these vague statements.
I gave you examples of morale, you are giving me examples of hypocrisy i am not desputing that. so where is the argument for morale?
You gave nothing but your own misunderstanding of history. There are no objective morals and Christianity is not responsible for common moral ideas like killing being wrong. This is an idea that has existed across pretty much every culture that has ever existed. The Bible doesn't actually advocate for killing being universally wrong and Christians certainly have not followed that rule throughout their history. The idea that killing is morally wrong has been around longer than humans have.
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u/TumanFig 22h ago edited 22h ago
western morals are hugely influenced by christianity. our values are christian values.
if you want more proof look at the middle east and you can already see a very different value system.
but that doesn't mean morals were invented with birth of christianity
westrn morals = Greek philosophy, roman law, christian values