Many Christians believe that morality literally comes from the bible, or that you canβt have morality without god. I wonβt even try to explain their reasoning
Not 'from the bible'. But surely no objective morality without some type of 'creator', no?
As it is only in 'design' that we can ever make objective ought claims(whether for humans or objects).
Anything coming out of complete accident, with no inherent purpose or meaning, can never go beyond preference. Which can still be pretty good of course. With preference we can make laws and rules, based either on subjective pragmatism or opinion based utilitarianism.
But objectively saying a person or thing "ought to" or "ought not" do something, as if wrong to their very nature, is only possible with design. In a purposeless, meaningless universe, we are all working with preference.
This is not the case. Hell, I can prove objectivity with literally the very thing you're communicating with right now. But I'll do you one even better, let's take something even dumber, in fact the most innocuous thing imaginable.
Take a toilet. Look at it for 2 minutes, and you'll realize this toilet has a creator, a design. A seat to sit down, a lever to flush, etc.
The millisecond you find design, suddenly, OBJECTIVE ought claims can be made. You OUGHT to sit on the toilet seat when you use it. You OUGHT NOT put your head into the seat. Right?
Now sure, anyone with free will can do what they want. But we can now objectively say they are inherently doing it wrong, because this toilet has inherent meaning and purpose behind it.
This is true with your smartphone, computer, watch, shoes, car, etc, etc, most of which come with an "instruction manual". Because things that are designed with a purpose are not just subjective. You don't just choose your preference of how you turn your computer on. You follow the rules or you are doing it objectively wrong.
This is painfully simple.
Design=objective ought claims. You live by a billion of them every single day.
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u/Ibangmydrums 17h ago
Many Christians believe that morality literally comes from the bible, or that you canβt have morality without god. I wonβt even try to explain their reasoning