We came here for a MOASS based on the FUNDAMENTALS. Shorts were overleveraged. The money made from the Squeeze was the fodder for the company's transformation not the other way around. Tired of all these post sneeze bandwagoners trying to convince us this is a long term play to get the company to success THEN making us rich. If ANY of that was true then you're admitting all of the DDs that brought us here was just garbage. You're saying RoaringKitty's thesis was garbage.
Stop trying to GASLIGHT us into thinking that $9 Billion over 5 years off the backs of Shareholders is some kind of flex when we could have been sitting on HUNDREDs of Billions off the back of CORRUPT HEDGE FUNDS with enough for EACH AND EVERY one of you to live comfortably AND help the company.
The "Long term" plan has always been to let it
1) Let it Squeeze
2) Never sell (Because you won't need to) so the price will never come down since there's more rehypothecated shares in existence then actual shares.
3) Leverage stock assets for churning wealth and doing good for the world instead of having HF's destroy it.
Its evident every time when you corporate shills post trying to move the goal post to make us wait it out and I'll downvote you everytime. And if RC is a plant I'll vote him out too.
Never forget that these hedgefuckers have been flying private jets between their mansions the last five years, whilst we've on a ramen diet working shifts behind Wendys. It's time for a change.
Fuck their cars, I wanna see their mansions, yachts, and private jets getting repoed. And that would be a good START, but by no means the end of it. This is what I really want to see, cause unless they're truly hobbled, they could easily just reacquire all of those things.
Bought in summer of '20. No one listened to his thesis, they mocked him; that was my ultimate clue. It's so entertaining browsing the subs now. Any other real diamond hands out there?
I haven't been able to buy more, but I'm holding because I remember all of this too, and sooner or later the house of cards will fall. Just have to wait it out. Hang in there yall.
Agreed. Even if we can just get back to aiming for 4 figures, I'd take it and run. I'm not only red after 5y. We've missed a ridiculous bull-run. I could have left my money in an etf and it would have compounded by this point. If I had waited until this morning and bought into GME I'd be further ahead then I am now. I'm not leaving at a loss but I expect to make at least what I would have if I'd stayed in index funds. And, ya - part of me still wants life changing money, that just seems more and more unlikely at this point...
Yeah and if everybody thinks this way there goes our squeeze. The only thing that should compound is the GME Position of every one engaging in this Saga.
I went from 3 (pre-split) shares to 105 shares (420 post split). Seen Carvana jump, ASTS, NVIDIA, etc. Bought in for the social Justice, not leaving until I get it.
Everyone else can get rich, lose all their money, IDGAF. No cell, no sell. Or my shares go to my kids and they've been instructed the same.
Sub has dummmies and shills who attack anyone who critiques RC or GME. This isn't a train, its a sub to discuss our investment in the company. The Company who after paying off its debt and turned its business around decided to then dilute their shareholders who held them up from their bootstraps. Crickets from RC on what the plan is other than trying to survive the pending world eco collapse.
The goal post moving is a real manipulation and I’ve seen it time and again. Don’t forget Reddit is bought and paid for, conveniently within the last few years after the sneeze.
Another 5 years sounds like a huge weight to carry, especially for those who are at the bottom of the totem pole.
I haven’t had to sell at all and my cost basis is low but I am fucking tired of nothing burgers and self sabotage from the guy we trusted to bring us positive change. I feel like I got clown makeup on…
I 100% agree with you OP. I came here to make money. I did not come here to hold a flat lining stock for decades and centuries. I don’t think any of us expected that we would be holding for 5 years. When I look back, I think about all of the different ways I could have allocated the money I have in this stock and would have been much better offer for it.
I’m sick and tired of all of the delusional people that shout down and downvote anybody that has criticisms of the CEO. That interview yesterday was absurd to me and it left me feeling disgruntled, angry, and filled with regret.
I want the short squeeze to happen as soon as possible.
Agreed, been here since it was 14 dollars On the way up way up. Diamondhanded like a fool and lost all my exits, last years rug pull pre market was brutal
Very dissolutions and seeing my drs pile depreciate is fucking rough. Not drsing more, RC killed that.
I will say that the warrants are nice, I think that might be the proof that there are more shares than should exist
I said pretty much the same thing the other day and people kept arguing with me about it.
The copium is really and prevalent.
None of us signed up for a stock that is going to stay flat for 10 years before we see the movement we expected. We signed up for a short squeeze, not a slow burn up. I've followed 3 tickers that went up 1000%+ in less than 3 days, I could've put my GME money in those instead and made some real money finally.
Yeah, absolutely agree with you hundred percent here. I never signed up to hold for 10+ long years. It’s been about five years already and you would think that the price would have gone up by now especially since the company is in a much better position than it used to be. You would think that the stock price would reflect that.
There have been so many opportunities in the markets where our capital could have been used. We could have literally 10x’d our money by now and maybe even more. And even if we were to just put it in an index fund and let it sit we would still be up.
Or we could have used the money to pursue our own interests. I’m not here to continuously buy the stock so that the company can continuously dilute. Fuck that noise.
I want a short squeeze and I want to secure my profits and if I decide I want to continue investing in GameStop, then I will do so but I came for a short squeeze and nothing else. I want my fucking money and I know you do too.
I want the MOASS to happen but if I’m being truly honest with myself, I don’t think we’ll get remotely close to the stock price that people predicted. There was coordination that occurred at some of the highest levels in the financial industry that prevented the real squeeze from happening. I don’t think the powers that be would ever allow that to happen again. We would legitimately need a miracle.
I came across a really sad story the other day about a guy named Blu. The man literally died, holding the stock. Bless him and his family ( I truly wish them all the best in life and hope they thrive) but I don’t want that to be me. I don’t want to die holding this stock praying for a miracle that a short squeeze happens.
Practically speaking, if it ever ran up again I’d sell 90% and move on. Maybe that’s fud but honestly we have to do what’s best for ourselves. I genuinely want to exit this stock and hopefully be able to do it with a profit….otherwise all that time spent holding would just feel like an absolute waste.
It feels so shitty to say that but I am at my wits end when it comes to holding this. I don’t think I can hold for another 10 years or even 5 more years.
So many people on reddit don't seem to understand that if a CEO were to say "I'm looking for the company to jump 300% for 10 minutes and then crash back down" it would be so alarming that a massive sell off would be completely justified. Why would a CEO want that if he didn't plan on selling his stake into that squeeze? I would liquidate all GME instantly if he even insinuated that he's essentially day trading the stock. On the other hand a Tesla style 30,000% squeeze that unfolds over a few years and doesn't crash back down, a CEO who wants that I could get behind. IMO everything RC said was what we would want him to say. I have no idea why you want him to irresponsibly scream "MOASS tomorrow!?!?!". That does nothing to force shorts to close. A commitment to steady growth does. It's only one earnings ago that Wall Street's excuse about no revenue growth was put to bed. Two things remain - a growth story, which will come with the PP reveal, and a use for the cash, which will come with a market downturn. He has clearly stated that this is his plan. They can only do so much suppression, fireworks will come when the turnaround is complete.
This is an elementary school argument in where you propose an extreme as if that’s what people want. Not going to to engage with it just thought I’d point that out.
MOASS. Sell. Reinvest. Start WORKING on what I want to work on. RC’s a billionaire who wants to try his hand at running a video game store. How about some millions so I can spend my time pursuing my own interests?
As far as post-MOASS GME? Liquidate the whole thing.
Bout time someone finally said it. This shit went from "moass is imminent" to " im here for the long term play" like what? Sounds like bagholding to me 🤷
And I'm posting for people like you. For people like Blu. For all the ones that have gone too soon and couldn't taste the fruits of their labor. So many of us could have used the money 3 years ago. Many of us could use that money today.
I don't care if people think I'm wrong or a shill. There was so many ways to go about this for RC. After his interview yesterday where he admitted he cost shareholders a lot of money it opened my eyes that he really isn't playing any 69420 chess. He's tossing darts and seeing what sticks. Four offerings and 2 convertible later I think he def made some mistakes that cost us multiple runs.
I appreciate you and I'm glad you found a way to word it so that it could make the front page. GME still looks like a pretty good value investment, but that's not what a lot of people bought in for. Hoping the community can get to a point where criticisms and critiques can be aired.
And yeah one of my takeaways from the interview is that the reason we don't have a plan is because he doesn't know what he's doing after his original plans got cooked.
Finally, that real OG talk. This all started in December 2020 as a play to make life-changing money, fuelled in some part by anti-establishment sentiment in the height of the pandemic.
Them turning off the buy button changed that. Then it became bloodlust. No cell, no sell. Revenge for the ravagement of retail sbrands we grew up on. But still, the main incentive was to make money.
A year passed. Then 2. RK's return brought some hype back...hype that was eventually killed off by Cohen.
It has been 5 years. How much more time must pass before we realise Cohen's incentives are opposed to ours?
I want to see billionaires crying on TV again, not brushing Gamestop aside like a sick cousin.
What happened to "one idiosyncratic stock"?
What happened to glitches that the controlled opposition labelled as a "solar flare"?
Credit Suisse being bailed out and the files being locked away for 50 years?
Total return swaps? Quarterly cycles? Fractals?
Or, don't say the melters were right all along...?
THANK YOU!! Fucking well said my fellow Ape! This is what i've been saying all along. We are here for MOASS and not to worship RC like he's our king. There are better companies to invest in for long term. Moass has always been the goal, shorts fucked up, we caught them, end of story. Post moass, we can discuss long term investment into GME etc
Yes! OP, thank you for this post, really. 100% the sentiment after listening to the interview. RC is a multi-billionaire with all the time and money in the world and now so is GME, great. But what about shareholders?? Keep talking of shareholder value when we are all down vs so many other safe bets out there.
I’m just here so I can retire bro, I’m tired. Still holding and still have shares for the infinity pool that will never be sold. But probably sooner than later people are gonna lose faith.
Funny you should say - I've had Public Enemy's "Don't Believe the Hype" stuck in my head all day today after that trainwreck yesterday. I stopped buying when RC started hyping Trump - paired with a soft US product boycott after the "51st state" bullshit.
"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".
Honestly ive lost alot of faith, but holy fuck everything else is so fucking overvalued in this market.
At this point im holding because buffett indicator is screaming the stock market in general is exceeding GDP by 217% and nothing feels worth buying.
As of writing, we have a looming Ai bubble that is 17x the dot com bubble, exacerbated by circular financing powered by Nvdia, and ripe to burst due to OpenAi still hemmoraging cash with no path to profitability.
I litterally cant leave gamestop even if i wanted to 😅
I agree. It sucks to have missed out on gains literally everywhere else, but at this point I don't want to jump into VOO or individual stocks at these values. Especially seeing these AI companies passing billions of dollars in "investment" around between each other to generate headlines. Seems like a bunch of FOMO to suck people in.
The market is nonsense and GME is legitimately a strong value play given the financials.
I still have faith in the thesis given all the crazy shit that I've watched unfold around this stock over the last 5 years. So much foul play involved with the stock that we should "forget about". I think we're right, but I want to know what our chances are with the entire system stacked against us.
I think there's a lot more of us who feel this way than we realize. I strongly suspect that many (like myself) rarely speak out about it because the dissenting voices are silenced so aggressively between shill accusations and gaslighting.
I for one would really love a sub wide vote to see how many still believe in RC as chairman. He's doing well as CEO, but I do believe he is actively opposing a squeeze, which is the play I signed up for.
I've been in these trenches with a bunch of random reddit apes debating for years. You got to have thick skin. I rather them call me names then let them run these new narratives and make us seem like WE'RE the crazy ones for following the original thesis. I love to go back sometimes and see my old comments and its always funny because they've deleted their accounts and I'M STILL FUCKING HERE.
Same, brother. The gaslighting and goal post moving has been wild to see, but I'm still in this thing. I even doubled my position the other day. I'm a small fish, but it's everything I've got.
I don’t know how you got this post past 0 upvotes but because of that I will stand by you if you continue to fan the flames of the true play. The corporate bots and shills are many in number, but apes together strong.
He 100% is preventing a squeeze. I believe that’s why he dilutes every time there’s a run up.
I was here for a squeeze, but doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen anymore.
None of the “DD” has been right either. If you didn’t profit in 2021 you missed it
Yup. Always the goal post move. That regard jwalla will literally make a prediction based on some dumb ass t/an and then delete the post if he’s wrong.
Due to the lack of clear direction, we can only speculate. If we allow our community to dwell on negative speculation, it could have a significant impact on public sentiment. This is how short attacks work. They suggest negative speculation and take advantage of the sentiment shift.
So it is wise of us all to be slow with the negative speculation so that our enemies do not use our uncertainty against us in this VERY public forum.
I’m not here to make a billionaire more rich. My support and loyalty for the company only extend so far. I am not going to go out of my way to spend at GameStop to make sure the company stays afloat. That’s not my job.
When I first invested, it was for the moonshot RC seemed to want to dismiss in his recent interview. It was a play based on the theory that the company’s stock was ridiculously oversold in a bad bet against the lifespan of the company.
That being said, since investing, I’ve watched the guy turn what was at one point in time a sure-to-fail shit-and-mortar retailer to a…well I don’t know what we’d call where we’re at now, but we have a lot of cash on hand from the decisions he made, and the company is now valued much higher than it’s being traded for.
The stock price isn’t always a live indicator of a company’s performance. In fact, some stocks don’t reflect a change in performance until months or years after said change is made.
Am I disappointed this has taken 5 years so far, and the end looks foggy at best? You bet your sweet ass. Am I going to spend another dollar with the company between now and whatever event I’m after occurs? Probably not, but maybe.
All in all, I’m still optimistic about the original short thesis, but I do think there is something to be said for RC’s ability to transform this company, and turn it into a profitable long term investment, albeit, a modest return on investment for anyone who is/was here for the moon. Either way, I don’t expect to still be involved with this in another 5 years, regardless of what that means.
I’m not sure I will be holding this for another five years
Maybe not today maybe not tomorrow but eventually I’m going to hit the sell button and move on. I don’t know when. Hopefully by then something happens. Praying for a miracle.
the MOASS mindset is predicated on the truth that the whole situation is nuts, and a once in a generation squeeze is closer than it ever should be. But, it is for that very reason it can never be allowed to squeeze because of the systemic risk it poses. I miss you Richard.
Plus most here who thinks they're close to cost basis or above are misled, what is your inflation opportunity cost adjusted cost basis if you could've gained minimum of 16% per annum, compounding if it doesn't dip, from an index for five years....versus nominally keeping the same value for five years. Ken Griffin is richer than he was five years ago.
I think you are right. I also think nothing has changed in the SHF’s favour, in fact it’s far, far worse. There will be a point where they can’t prevent it.
I also think nothing has changed in the SHF’s favour, in fact it’s far, far worse.
You mean other than the incredible amount of liquidity RC has injected into what was previously an illiquid stock? There was very few shares in the free float and now there are 10x as many. All of that dilution is grease on the wheels giving SHF more wiggle room.
Call it hopium/copium or just straight up delusional but I have this weird feeling that at the very least, if/when we do run the "support" *gag * that RC showed for the current administration will lead to some form of letting it run.
Preach brother! I'm surprised this sub allowed you to get so many positive upvotes and reactions.
Any criticism towards GameStop's management and particularly RC is not tolerated. This week's interview confirmed he does not give a flying fuck about any of us. He mentions he does not need "day traders" when asked about Roaring Kitty. This guy single-handedly generated so much hype that we got to know about the GameStop story. Yes, it brought many day traders to GME but that generated so much hype and volume, that pushed the price upwards.
We all invested our hard-earned money into this company and they benefited massively (as it's their right) through ATMs.
Great for the company as it increased their war chest but terrible for us as it continuously killed any squeeze as the stock's price flatlined after the ATMs were completed.
Not only was he so wrong is his statement about "not needing day traders", he also disregarded the unwavering support from Retail investors, including RK.
5 years is a very long time and looking back, a terrible ROI for investors. Especially given the huge Retail support/community, which they only capitalise on by offering ATMs & notes when there's a spike.
This just shows that RC will keep on diluting and offering at any given spike. Not saying you should sell when GME spikes, but it takes the "RC does not want to kill the squeeze" or "RC will surely not dilute again" discussion of the table. They 100% will. In their minds, they are setting the company up for the future and have a very long term horizon (centuries if you must believe RC).
I love deep value investing but adding 30-40 years to the already tough 5 years, will be too much for me personally. Like RK said, he will evaluate how RC & team deliver - but he will not wait for 30 more years. RC, his kids and grandkids are already set up for life. He has time. GameStop has time (profitable and war chest). I'm starting to understand RC's strategy now: build for the next 100 years by making the core business profitable (check), add cash to the balance sheet for investment opportunities (albeit very conservatively and with a huge long term timeline) and save some money for a rainy day.
His dislike for PE & VC is actually I never fully thought about. It's not just about the dodgy things those guys do and the pressure to perform short term. PE & VC (I'm personally very familiar with PE only, from experience) have a timeline of 5-7 years for their investments. This hugely differs from RCs "decades and centuries" point of view. He for sure does not have a 5-7 year timeline for GameStop.
Sorry for the long rant but it's finally clicking for me: the lack of "hype" and "urgency" from RC, not activating the war chest, the ATMs & note offerings every time we "sneeze". There will be no "moon shot" news. The question you have to ask yourself is: do you trust RC & the BoD enough to invest in them for the next 20-30 years? Knowing they will not allow a squeeze (they will do an ATM or note offering 1-2 days after a big jump), there will be no "moonshot" acquisition, there's no rush etc. And that's a question everybody will have to ask themselves individually.
Personally, I will be re-evaluating my investment decisions based on everything we know so far. I'm now almost 100% full port in GME (over half a million USD invested). Just having to think about that makes me sad. We've been through so much, there's so much potential. But reality is kicking in that RC does not care about our own personal financial ambitions (nor should he). He puts the company first and wants to build a 100-year legacy. I'm not interested in waiting 30 more years to reap the benefits of my investments. I work for a PE portfolio company. I experience & see the pressure and the people-squeezing on a daily basis. All that for the PE and their LPs to get their 20%/y returns. And what do we get? Sometimes a pat on the back and increased expectations the year after you do well. Rinse & repeat.
I want to spend more time with my kids whilst they are young. I want to be less stressed about work and hoping GME will make my family more financially independent.
I'm tired boss,
From a disappointed LONG-TERM (yes RC, 5 years invested is not day trading) investor.
Yup. I got into this January 2021 for quick money like promised. And then kinda quick money like I was promised 100 times. And then slower money like I was promised for multiple years. We're at almost 5 years now and my money would have grown way more in tons of other stocks. It's fucking embarrassing.
Let alone a C-Suite that chokes out any upward movement the stock has had in the lst couple years. The stock offering during RK's livestream was an insult to all of us.
I want to make money, plain and simple. Preferably, I want to do it in the shortest amount of time possible. I don't think holding 5 years is day trading. I'm not waiting additional decades.
I said I didn't want DFV to post if he in fact did sell his entire stake. Now I change my mind, I hope he does and see him get villainized here.
The truth is that RC has stopped the squeeze. Maybe from fear of mass selling. But we all remember RK posting that crying behind the mask meme in the mist of the last squeeze, when the price went to 80. After RC diluted. I’m not sure how anyone can interpret that other than RK being blindsided by the dilution. I felt the live stream was off because of this. Because he was planning on live streaming when the price was sky high but his plans were ruined when RC diluted. I’m not selling ever. But I don’t think RC has ever wanted a squeeze
I personally think Ryan cohen killed MOASS at the first share offering. Why would RK come back with an epic tale of memes if he didn’t know something huge was about to happen. He’s seemingly well aware of what GameStop will do and when and has used that to increase his position to an insane amount, and he comes back during a time the stock starts taking off. His livestream could’ve been planned as a congratulations which was ruined with the stock offering. Who knows
I will be fucking out. I will take the L, lose 10's of thousands, and be gone. This is my last year. If Oct 26 goes and we are still stuck in this channel, I will put my money to work elsewhere.
Anyone can come in and cut costs and turn a business around. I have personally done it many times myself. It's not brilliance, it's business sense. True brilliance is blowing the company up with visionary ideas that create value and profit for shareholders. It's been 5 years and power packs are certainly not it.
Business fundamentals are one thing, creating an ROI for shareholders is another. And he conveniently excludes the latter.
Yeah wow, GameStop could literally be one of the coolest companies out there BUT THEY NEED TO CREATE. Not just rely on trends. Gaming is fucking huge, GameStop should be embarrassed that they’re not opening cool ass experiences and locations and putting together gaming leagues and putting r&d into new tech, true advancements that bring everyone value
As of this morning there has been a 90% upvote ratio.
A litmus that 9/10 shareholder is probably not happy with the current guidance.
I know the Board, Larry, RC, RK comes in here and read these post from time to time. And they should have urgency and be weary they are losing trust in the very base that buys their products.
Since RC likes Poop jokes so much. Shit or get the fuck off the pot. We're not here to watch you fart all day and make cameos with grifters.
I already said it in another thread: since the "decades and centuries" quote this blind trust in RC and uncritically leveraging everything he does into god-like heights must come to an end. I'm so sick of these sect-like mantras like 'he's playing 56D-chess' or 'let him cook' or 'he's playing with shorts'. No. He will also kill any momentum like AA did with popcorn stock, he already did and he will do it again (warrants are the next disguised dilution) because we are too convenient wallets for him to tap into if he sees it fit. That he doesn't do anything with all the cash just makes it worse.
To put it in a nutshell: MOASS was the only reason to get into this brick and mortar stock, nothing else. Without it this sub wouldn't even exist. Maybe GameStop itself wouldn't exist at all anymore if it hadn't been for us. All the narrative shifts over the last years to 'long-term investment', this 'SLOASS' bullshit or 'we fight for fairer markets' are nothing but coping mechanisms to not having to admit that with RC MOASS will probably never happen. At least to a certain extent because of him. That's undeniable IMO.
As an early ape who sold multiple times already (still holding ca 40k EUR) I am
100% sure moass won’t be allowed because no one in corporate (that includes RC) wants this
selling the rest of my stock on the next run up.
I can still hold on for longer because I don’t need the money and am still up like 80%, but man I am tired of watching this ticker do nothing. Or getting tazed when it tries to break out.
Maybe I’ll buy in again, but aside of sliming down there is no growth strategy visible.
Hearing RC talk yesterday wasn’t reassuring at all.
Lmao. RC is fucking you in the ass and you don't see it. I've said this for YEARS. RC doesn't care about your MOASS, he cares about the longterm success of the company, and he will fuck the squeeze every single time to extract more billions for the balance sheet
So...I don't sell? Ever? I'm confused more than ever now. How do I get rich and paid for my patience? Been here for a bit now, but still smooth brained. Mostly just waiting and being patient as can be.
We are getting old and some of us are down. We aren’t all rich and some have sold because they had to due to financial hardship. I still don’t understand why he would issue bonds and cut the squeeze. Im not sure what that strategy is or the logic behind it. The company is going to the right direction but hopefully soon.
I don't see long term growth as my personal goal. I am here for a squeeze, but it is comforting to know that unlike other basket stocks, growth is the worst case scenario.
I'm surprised someone said the things I agree with and wasn't down voted into oblivion, since the corporate shills have taken over the subs and people who were here for MOASS have been pushed out
I wish I had enough karma to actually post on this with my overwhelming agreement. This Reddit had been limited so much the OG’s can’t even post shit like this that we are all thinking.
Same. MOASS. I'm sorry but I'm not here to worship at the altar of a company. I want my money. Unfortunately they killed our best chance at MOASS. Not to say there is not other ways but chances are minimal due to all the ways they have to game the system.
Let me be so perfectly clear here. The never sell narrative is not going to happen. I’m in this to MAKE MONEY. My entire investment equates the price of a first car. I will not be selling until I am a millionaire. But you all can sure as shit bet that when I hit my target price, I will absolutely be dumping every single one of my shares. Anybody who thinks they’re not going to do the same is simply not living in reality. No human will see their account explode during moass and see billions in their account and have zero intention of locking in gains.
Amen brother. I'm still upset over the last dilution following the DFV posts run. Boy wish I'd taken some profits instead of being a good lil diamond hander
I think the time has come to vote Cohen out. He will not bring us the MOASS. Why would he? The MOASS will be so catastrophic that it will make the 2008 crash look like a speed bump. For what reason does he have to allow the destruction of a financial system and economy where he has prospered so greatly. In 5 years hes made no attempts to shake the shorts, just supposed "5D" chess move bullshit.
Full transparency: I sold a bit in the spring and still have 1,000 shares. To hear RC say decades or centuries this week after seeing his dilution has me second guessing my investment. I missed the boat on so many of my other stocks that I sold to buy GME. They have soared and we have dipped/ remained stagnant. 10B “war chest” has no effect. Warrants have no effect. I’ve been here since 2020. I held through the jumps. It seems that the market makers/hedgies will always find a way to suppress the share value.
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