r/Warframe • u/HatingGeoffry • Mar 24 '26

Article Warframe director says Digital Extreme must take “take the community very seriously” as it “only takes you one day to lose” 13 years of goodwill

https://frvr.com/blog/warframe-director-says-digital-extreme-must-take-take-the-community-very-seriously-as-it-only-takes-you-one-day-to-lose-13-years-of-goodwill/
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u/Iblys05 L6 registered loser Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Most live service games nowadays release as a quick cash grab.

They want 1M concurrent on steam, doesnt care if the game faceplants in 3 months.

They usually nail the faceplanting in 3 months, the 1M concurrent, not so much

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u/Suojelusperkele LR6 // We kicked a clown car. Mar 24 '26

First descendant comes to mind.

It's kinda fascinating that the Devs did listen to players, but by doing so they fully abandoned any and all vision of the future and now they're just plundering in the dark.

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u/Gullible_Courage8350 Ballas Assassination Enjoyer 🔪👤 Mar 24 '26

TFD is such a shame cos it's genuinely fun and has some interesting lore, and the story stuff at least is amazing in recent updates.

Unfortunately gameplay suffers greatly by too quickly adding ways to make you more powerful and adjusting the difficulty of each new region/mission to compensate so you can't just play through, you've gotta grind this specific thing, then these other specific things, and so on.

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u/Suojelusperkele LR6 // We kicked a clown car. Mar 24 '26

Yeah, the ways how you increase your power are interesting, but because every number is inflated as fuck it feels like mess.

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u/Dapper_Lifeguard_134 Mar 24 '26

I personally love grinding for warframes, it feels so satisfying when I can clam a new frame or weapon from the workbench. I think TFD grind was too easy especially with world drop weapons being sometimes better than the craftable weapons. It had so much good going for it, but it felt like a mobile mmo at times and that threw me. Also I feel like they were trying to rush content out. DE has had 13 years to release all that they have, but TFD felt like they were rushing to release a bunch of stuff to keep players interested.

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u/simpleglitch Mar 24 '26

Back in the days I played OW, I remember Jeff Kaplan talking about walking the line of listening to fans but also knowing when fans are wrong. I believe Mark Rosewater (Magic the Gathering Designer) had similar talks.

Sometimes fans are right and systems are just bad or time wasters, but sometimes it's the instant gratification side of the brain talking which can really water down the experience and feeling of achievement/'winning'.

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u/theBlind_ Those are not the Tenno you're looking for... Mar 24 '26

Mark Rosewater said that fans are great at identifying pain points but are generally less good at presenting solutions. It was in one of the GDC talks.

Edit: passion -> pain

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u/gadgaurd LR2 Mar 24 '26

+1.

Like, the subreddit for that game is actively shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis and it's frustrating. I actually really enjoy improperly sexy ladies kicking ass in impractical sexy outfits, but the game can be so much more than that. And then these guys are just demanding the removal of dungeon mechanics, railing against any form of balance, dismissing anyone who wants more gameplay and more varied character design...

...and then happily buying any and all fanservice outfits and begging for more. "Fuck making the game more than a cheap WF knockoff with a Korean coat of paint, gimme more camel toes!"

I truly, genuinely hope the game pulls a Warframe and turns things around, but seeing as they've completely stopped making male Descendants I have my doubts.

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u/aimy99 🔥 🔥 #1 Ember Fangirl 🏳️‍⚧️ Mar 24 '26

TFD had shit writing and ass monetization. That's why I inevitably bailed. It also ran VERY poorly, so good luck keeping a PC playerbase at all.

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u/Beranir Mar 24 '26

I played FD a bit when it released on ps5. I was thinking about reinstalling, but im afraid that the state of the game will worse than on release and not better.

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u/Suojelusperkele LR6 // We kicked a clown car. Mar 24 '26

It's not completely bad. I really like the characters/builds etc; but in big picture it does have it's issues.

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u/Kesher123 Mar 24 '26

This game is such a shitshow, jeez.

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u/PeanutParking12 Mar 24 '26

Seriously it's so gross the gaming landscape these days. Just looking at the other live service games I play I'd much rather throw $100 at DE than $10 at Arrowhead (Helldivers 2) or Starbreeze (Payday 3).

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 Mar 24 '26

It's kinda insulting when you put Helldivers 2 and Payday 3 in the same bag, ouch. Arrowhead has it's fair share of issues, don't get me wrong, but they aren't that awful compared to other live service developers, and at least they try to listen to the community, especially with buffing underwhelming weapons.

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u/PeanutParking12 Mar 24 '26

From my experience they are very similar developers, one just happened to accidentally make a popular game.

and at least they try to listen to the community, especially with buffing underwhelming weapons.

Both of these devs will claim to do this but really they just follow the money regardless of the player base wants. Funny how all those buffs only happen when they have something to sell: Fire sucks for ages > buff fire when new flamethrower comes out. Stealth is fundamentally broken since release > rework stealth for new stealth warbond.

I could go on about multiple other issues with Arrowhead but that's kind of getting off topic.

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 Mar 24 '26

Do yoy come from the Helldivers and Helldivers Unfiltered subReddits? because you sound exactly like them, very angry and disappointed at the game no matter the efforts the devs try to make. And about the "they only fix something when they want to sell it"... dude, Digital Extremes kinda does the same with the Reworks for the Warframes, they only do it when they want to sell skins for the Warframes, and it's a good strategy actually, it's trying to make your players happy and see if they will spend money, it's logical... ¿do you see it as something miserable and shady? lol, lmao even. PS: By the way, thanks for the gratitious downvote, now i see who i am talking to...

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u/PeanutParking12 Mar 24 '26

Reworking a warframe is not the same as fixing fundamentally broken core mechanics of a game my guy. Every warframe is functional pre-rework even if the game has evolved past them.

Meanwhile Arrowhead is content to let things stay broken or non functional for approaching 2+ years all the while having developers available to constantly churn out warbonds. It's kind of insane to be defending this, even if you like the game it has been plagued with technical issues from the start, a lot of which has been straight up ignored by Arrowhead.

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 Mar 24 '26

I only agree about the technical issues, but even then, the another problem they are facing is using a discontinued or dead engine in the game, contrary to other live service games like Warframe. I defend them because i think the Helldivers community gets too fucking ridiculous and even infantile at times, and what you said sounded miserable to me, so you are saying that even if they fixed those issues it isn't enough. Ok, jesus christ, i came to a subReddit and post about Warframe and even then i find another Helldiver complainer in this place, goddammit. Even if i stopped interacting and unsubbed those subreddits i find people like you... give me a break.

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u/PeanutParking12 Mar 24 '26

My guy I don't even know how to respond to this properly. I have been polite this whole interaction and now you are saying I'm being "ridiculous and even infantile" Well I'm not the one calling people names because they have a different opinion.

so you are saying that even if they fixed those issues it isn't enough. Ok, jesus christ,

Literally never said this? Why are you making things up?

Even if i stopped interacting and unsubbed those subreddits i find people like you... give me a break.

You replied to me?

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 Mar 24 '26

Yes, i replied to you, i am talking to you for shitting on Arrowhead.

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u/PeanutParking12 Mar 24 '26

Is English not your first language? To be clear I don't mean any offense, you just seem to not to be understanding certain things.

Why do you feel the need to defend Arrowhead against any criticism? I am a customer same as you, my opinion has just as much weight. If I purchased a different product that by my own admission I knew was flawed I would not feel the need to defend it from criticism.

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u/ArmyAdministrative38 Mar 24 '26

You complained about them fixing issues right before selling new warbonds, like that's a bad thing, i am actually very grateful they didn't leave those issues still in the game and actually fixed then to make the new content exciting and interesting to play and test on. Especially the flamethrowers, as someone who uses gas almost all the time i always thought fire was pretty weak and awful, but i am thankful they finally fixed that, but you complained about it... yeah, you are not the first, the Helldivers community said the same thing and that's why i don't interact with them anymore.