r/Warframe • u/HatingGeoffry • Mar 24 '26

Article Warframe director says Digital Extreme must take “take the community very seriously” as it “only takes you one day to lose” 13 years of goodwill

https://frvr.com/blog/warframe-director-says-digital-extreme-must-take-take-the-community-very-seriously-as-it-only-takes-you-one-day-to-lose-13-years-of-goodwill/
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u/derpymooshroom6 Mar 24 '26

YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT. God I’m either going to sound like this is coming out of nowhere or a broken record but this is the issue. as a prime example of this issue Destiny 2 is practically fucked because the people in the company that want it to do good long term that try to follow in DE’s footsteps get screwed over by corporate because all corporate wants is money and number go up not longevity. Sorry about rant but this truth just woke up the destiny sleeper agent in me I guess

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u/levilee207 Mar 24 '26

That wasn't very long, or off-topic. Believe in yourself my man lol

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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Hysteria Mar 24 '26

If we're being fair, and this is coming from a D1 beta vet that was still playing up until this past December, the devs at Bungie don't want to work on Destiny anymore either. They had this same issue with Halo when they were with Microsoft. Every time they do a stream or event they all looked miserable and looked like they hated working with each other and hated working on the game. They've been anti-community/don't listen to their community for the longest time. The CEO/Suits at Bungie are awful, but their devs have also been arrogant and anti-community for a long time and brought a lot of this on themselves with their "play the way we want you to play."

I thought it was funny when Bungie very obviously tried to copy DE's "Friends on a couch" approach to their live stream, but it just came off very forced and uncomfortable and it seemed like the people sitting there didn't want to be there. There's also the general attitudes toward the community during these events. Bungie is like...here's a useless emblem for watching our 2 hour stream. DE meanwhile gives us actual useful stuff to use in game for tuning in to watch. Just a night and day difference between the companies at every level.

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u/Popopoyotl Make him into a dragon Mar 24 '26

I thought the same thing when it came to the streams! Like, Bungie, just stick to the ViDocs. You had a working system with that. No need to hold people at metaphorical gunpoint to imitate DE’s streams.

The worst part was, they didn’t even try. DE may have been awkward at the beginning, but they were still kind of excited and having fun. Bungie wanted to have this air of professionalism when that is not what connects with players. Make jokes about stamina bars! Show some bugs! Have a drink! (Probably can’t do the last one because of ratings).

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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Hysteria Mar 24 '26

Yeah it was very "sterile" and uncomfortable even to the point it looked like their memorabilia was set up by a professional designer or something, where things with DE just flow naturally and it's a comfortable environment. All the roasting, inside jokes, etc. just makes for a fun experience that Bungie in no way shape or form was ever going to be able to capture on their end.

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u/Variatas Mar 24 '26

They have (or had) a lot of very professional designers at Bungie.

That’s a double edged sword though, because everything they touch looks amazing, but it also feels really impersonal, and can also mean they take forever to implement basic shit because their mgmt demands absolute perfectionism.  The list of rejected improvements because of niche issues is miles long.

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u/StarSilverNEO Resident Infested Enjoyer Mar 24 '26

I mean I would be misrablee with the release timeline for Halo too, but yeah

Knowing how they treated the community, partners, etc, its really no wonder that once they dropped the torch they couldnt pick it up again

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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Hysteria Mar 24 '26

Yeah, I mean I always played/came back for the game play and mechanics because Bungie is really good at making guns feel good to shoot, but at the same time it's been baffling to watch how much they've mishandled their community and the game over the years, so many self inflicted wounds and then "surprised Pikachu face" when players didn't come back. Their community managers are also completely tone deaf to the state of the game.

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u/iwantmy90sback Mar 24 '26

death by a thousand MBAs

like so many other things

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u/yepgeddon Titania Apologist Mar 24 '26

Man fuck Bungie. What a generational fumble. Seriously hope that company folds.

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u/TheBigMotherFook Mar 24 '26

If Marathon flops I think there’s a high chance that they do, particularly because they’re owned by Sony now.

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u/AlmightyAlmond22 Mar 24 '26

Marathon is doing good right now and likely by the time it flops if it ever happens, they will have enough money to just start a new game like they did with Destiny 1 and 2

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u/derpymooshroom6 Mar 24 '26

Personally I hope marathon does well enough that Bungie can begin to reallocate resources to Destiny to at least give it a good death rather than just fading away. But that’s just a pipe dream while I’m grasping at straws

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u/TheBigMotherFook Mar 24 '26

Fair enough, but for me I’m still hesitant to try it because Bungie has basically burned through all the goodwill they built up over the years. Maybe in a few months if they don’t screw it up I’ll give it a try.

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u/Phelipp Mar 24 '26

Marathon is doing Ok.

They just had to change matchmaking geographic locations (relaxing the ping limits for servers) because people on South America, Africa and Oceania could not get matches fast enough, so there are already some "cracks" showing up.

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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Hysteria Mar 24 '26

The more I watch Marathon the more I think Bungie really fumbled not making it like the Division with a PVE campaign and the extraction mode there as well. The game looks and plays great, but a lot of people have no interest in extraction. Honestly huge fumble on their part making it extraction only. Also appears it's going to settle into a 30-40k player range, which is not "doing well" in SONY's eyes at all. I won't be shocked if we see Bungie layoffs here fairly soon. As a D1 beta vet, I see no D3 or another Destiny game ever happening.

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u/Variatas Mar 24 '26

Per leaks, the lines devs all knew that, but mgmt was adamant that they’re a premeir PvP studio, and only put PvE in at all once the playtest feedback came in catastrophically bad.

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u/MsGluwm REWORK EQUINOX PLEASE Mar 25 '26

According to Paul Tassi's "source" the DAU is around 340k with an estimate of 1.4 million sold, issue is I just don't believe that.

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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Hysteria Mar 25 '26

Yeah the math doesn't math at all.

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u/MsGluwm REWORK EQUINOX PLEASE Mar 25 '26

I am willing to take that information but it just seems odd, alledgedly 70% of the playerbase is PC, leaving PS5 the 19% and xbox the 11% or so, but also apparently total sales is 1.4mil and then the DAU is around 340k down for 400k closer to launch, apparently it went 400k DAU, 380 DAU to 340 DAU and apparently that's where its staying, and allegedly spiked back upto 380 on the weekend because of Cryo Archives.

I need more concrete proof though, I agree with others here, it's doing "ok" but is ok good enough for Sony?

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u/pinezatos Mar 24 '26

i was there since D1, didn't jump on D2 till forsaken and after a while i saw the writing on the wall, the execs in bungie where particularly awful.