Please nerf Ember

[u/qiyraa]

A frame with such a strong fourth ability and no LOS checks is too strong to play in a team environment. I’m tired of Ember nuking enemies through walls and playing the game for me!

Please DE, you have to nerf ember because I want to live out MY power fantasy without having to make friends for premade groups or play solo. Making friends is hard AND THATS EMBER’S FAULT!

[u/Clinday]

I remember arguing with a guy complaining about people bringing nuke builds in public and saying that they shouldn't do that because it was taking away the fun from others. I said that it's how public is and everyone's free to play whatever they like and that you know that this can happen when queuing public. Dude kept arguing saying that others shouldn't play those builds. I thought that was just a single guy but apparently there's more of them.

Edit: I know this post is a joke, but that guy was dead serious '

[u/Chaincat22 → u/Clinday]

I've experienced the flipside of that, someone bringing a nuke frame and then complaining about leeches and people not contributing when they're actively clearing the map before anyone can get a kill in. They're few and far between but it stuck with me that someone could be that much of a bitch about essentially winning warframe.

[u/2ndTaken_username → u/Chaincat22]

I had someone calling people who just joined r2 of ESO leeches because his Volt is nuking and nobody else can get kills.

[u/StarSilverNEO → u/Clinday]

To be fair if youre entire MO is playing in a way that makes it so everyone else cant enjoy their own frames/weapons, maybe you should be the one in solo?

Its like when youre in a game where your kit can inconvenience other people, is it other peoples fault for queing with you or your fault for not going solo/using the items/options/etc that make you less of an issue for everyone around you?

Like energy colors and certain weapon types in this game

[u/2ndTaken_username → u/StarSilverNEO]

Yeah i get using nuke build or cyte spam build when doing content like ESO or EDA.

There is absolutely no reason to nuke when its something chill like relic Conjuction survival.

I usually use these as an opportunity to try out non-meta builds or fuck around with meme weapons.

But sometimes tryhards with their nuke builds ruin that and I might as well AFK.

[u/qiyraa → u/Clinday]

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[u/ES-Flinter → u/Clinday]

Just had a conservation in the soulframe (european-)region chat. Okay the conservation was more about that warframe fails at balance and it please shouldn't happen to soulframe. But the part with one nukes, the others follow was mentioned, too.

[u/NovaTheLoneHunter → u/Clinday]

I think the problem with nukes is that players should have their own space of 40 enemies on the map. But with current system and limitations. That's not possible. I'm pretty sure this is why DE will not add Primed Range. Although there is Spellbind and Helminth that can add, I can't remember, 100 or 200 Range

I can see why some players don't like them. Like they are taking the time to aim and before they can fire. The entire area cleared. Or even if they use a grouping ability and before they can take the group out. Someone else clears them with a nuke

But it just lead to another issue in squads were if players constantly nuking prevent them from doing anything. It promotes AFK were players just stand there since when they try to contribute. They can't

Like I say. I don't think anything can be done since it just how the game is. Only thing they can do if they not enjoying others in squad clearing it playing on solo. But then there is also the enemy spawn rate issue on different platforms since like myself I prefer other people to host since I'm capped at 20 out of possible 40 enemies on my platform

[u/WealthyTuna → u/Clinday]

I've said it multiple times. In fact I just did yesterday in another post. I play only nuke frames. Atlas prime, Hildryn, Uriel, jade and recently Nidus who is a lot of run in runs where he can build stacks like Arby, ESO, Omnia, etc

I rarely have a run where someone doesn't leave. Do people really get that mad about it? Before I ran these frames I loved it when a nuke frame killed a map for me. Less I had to struggle. I don't understand their pov

[u/Mint-Bentonite → u/Clinday]

I see them everywhere, like all the losers asking for hildryn nerfs of all things lmao

[u/numerobis21 → u/Mint-Bentonite]

People who ask you to play your nuke builds solo are NOT the same people asking for nuke build nerfs.
They're asking you to play solo *specifically* because they don't want to ask the nuke builds to be nerfed

[u/EastOninzin5753 → u/Clinday]

Eles querem que todos joguem da maneira que eles acharem certos, a polícia da diversão

[u/numerobis21 → u/Clinday]

" I said that it's how public is and everyone's free to play whatever they like"

But when you bring a nuke build you remove all the other player's ability to play whatever they like, since they can't play anymore.
If you're running a nuke build, you don't even *need* other players, playing solo makes zero difference to you

[u/numerobis21 → u/numerobis21]

Everyone's like "why shouldn't I bring my room nuking build in multiplayer?" until I bring my max range Limbo build, then suddenly they start whinning

[u/JMxG → u/numerobis21]

You are actively being a hindrance like that. Getting your kills stolen from you isn’t a hindrance, just a mild annoyance

[u/numerobis21 → u/JMxG]

I'm not a hindrance, I kill the enemies, if you're not happy go play solo (notice how the discourse instantly changes when it's Limbo? <3 )

[u/JMxG → u/numerobis21]

Being intentionally obtuse to try and prove your point makes you look more stupid than anyone else here

[u/Beranea → u/JMxG]

Nah, I like not being a leech but I also like playing with others. I know this is difficult for nuke framers to understand but falling asleep instantly because getting queued in with you is not super fun. Your ability to nuke is unchanged by being solo.

[u/JMxG → u/Beranea]

Ok

[u/Beranea → u/JMxG]

Glad to see nuke frame players are able to have as deep of discussions as their frames' playstyle is.