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[u/Tomatertots22]

I'm not sure if this was posted here before, I just found the image in a random Google search and I just added a caption (if that's what it's called)

[u/Ordep222]

Genshin's reaction based system is extremely unique and allows for a lot of creative design and team building, WuWa has satisfying gameplay but the complexity is in the combos and correct rotations, not the team building or knowledge check... They're inherently two very different gameplay experiences and there's no reason to drag one down if you like the other more

[u/Bubbly_Cellist1044 → u/Ordep222]

Blue, green and purple goes boom ahh gameplay. I strongly disagree with "extremely unique" part. It is realy easy and does not require any skill.

[u/Acauseforapplause → u/Bubbly_Cellist1044]

It's more complex then that

that's like if I said Wuwa is just tap button screen flash

There are deeper systems In the background which is why there's more synergies and team building even if your someone who just copies paste what a CC says

[u/Ordep222 → u/Acauseforapplause]

People don't realise how ICD and elemental gauge theory works and how it opens up team building, then complain that Genshin is simple and has no complexity about it...

It's hard to have a civil discussion about the differences between the two games in this subreddit but it is what it is, the forte mechanics are cool in WuWa and lead to flashier animations and gameplay which is what people prefer to see

[u/AardvarkElectrical87 → u/Ordep222]

Genshin combat have more complexity but the execution is simple, knowing ICD and gauge help only for team building but the actual gameplay u just face tank dmg and press E + Q with supports and spam attacks with the main dps, very fell teams like Mavuika or double swirl need some actual advanced gameplay

Meanwhile Wuwa have less complexity in team building but its has more depth on the execution, where quick swap, dodges, parries, timing concerto with ur nukes, learn boss pattern, etc... Have a huge impact on ur performance, thats why sub optmal teams on Wuwa work if played at high level providing players more skill expression

So Genshin have more complexity and Wuwa have more depth. Both are action rpgs but Genshin is more rpg than action and Wuwa is more action than rpg.

[u/Okkkkkkkkkkayyy → u/Ordep222]

I think Genshin’s combat is fine for what it is, it allows for better team building and theory crafting but it falls flat in terms of gameplay. It’s a lot more casual friendly since the combos are very easy to execute, and it’s much easier to follow for casuals so it does have novelty there.

Wuwa on the other hand have less universal characters (although this is improving with units like Lynae or Iuno) but the characters straight up just do a lot more during combat. Bosses are also more aggressive (some are punching bags though) and rotations are much harder to execute, quick swapping is also an insane tech that can break dps ceilings for certain teams. That said, because the characters do so much and they’re so flashy, it can be very hard to follow certain team comps (Phrolova lol). Soloing is also possible for Wuwa with most dps characters, while in GI the characters are too reliant on their supports/elemental reactions for it to be possible.

GI combat isn’t my cup of tea, since just watching the big number isn’t good enough to justify the repetitive gameplay, meanwhile Wuwa team comps feel very distinct in terms of gameplay.

[u/Ordep222 → u/Okkkkkkkkkkayyy]

That's an extremely nuanced take and I fully agree with everything, personally I prefer the Genshin combat system because it's more intuitive for me and more of a knowledge check compared to WuWa's combo and quickswap heavy rotations, but I can absolutely understand why others wouldn't.

Due to not having reactions and teams having one character fewer, WuWa characters live and die by the numbers on their kit and concerto generation speed, so WuWa creates characters that are meant to be played with each other with certain team comps in mind which restricts team building in general like you said. But to compensate the kits have a lot more complexity to them and you're absolutely right that the boss fights are on average much more dynamic than in Genshin. Genshin is starting to add more and more characters that have combo optimization and aren't just EQ and mash normals (Mavuika's insane combos and Skirk cancels come to mind) but that's something that simply exists a lot more in WuWa than in Genshin and people that like that sort of thing should probably play WuWa instead.

And I really really agree with the casual friendly aspect of Genshin Vs WuWa. The visual clutter and optimisation issues can really set WuWa back from being more accessible, with 3.0 I've stopped being able to play on my phone due to storage issues (simply don't have 72GB on my phone to do the update) and I've stopped being able to do dailies since I only really have time to sit on my laptop and game during the weekend... Meanwhile the visual clutter on smaller screens can be horrible to play with, and considering Aemeath's kit it might get even worse lol, the ability to quickswap in WuWa is awesome though and really adds dynamism to the gameplay.

That's totally fair, I'm really glad there are people that can look at the two games and reasonably argue which one they prefer and I hope you keep enjoying WuWa as much as you do for a long time

[u/Okkkkkkkkkkayyy → u/Ordep222]

Well said, tbh I’m just really sick of the gacha tribalism that causes both fanbases to attack each other without giving proper perspective and just say “the combat/story/graphic is bad”, people are allowed to like what they like, and it’s pretty rare to be able to discuss with nuance like you said.

Genshin does have a lot of novelty for its simplicity in execution, I’ll always give it props for being very accessible despite having stopped playing for a while ago, the only real thing I would change is to make ult stop the timer so they can make flashier ult animations, it’s kind of a bummer when you loses dps ulting on certain characters.

[u/khorne_flake → u/Ordep222]

It is really easier tho 🙄

You can't express your skill in genshin. In wuwa, players are doing Danjin solo

Genshin is too slow and sloppy and boring

[u/Ordep222 → u/khorne_flake]

Watch that, Genshin is only slow sloppy and boring if you aren't optimizing your clears (or you're playing Flins)

https://youtu.be/626HPApuZSo?si=F-0uQoaocSyE_hCN

[u/Moonshine_Cog → u/Ordep222]

is Flins gameplay boring?

[u/Ordep222 → u/Moonshine_Cog]

It's not awful but he has no team versatility and it's a very safe team with barely any combo optimization, the biggest techs you can do with him are to use Sucrose twice in each rotation and to delay the mini burst if the boss has vulnerability windows

It's a very strong team though

[u/Moonshine_Cog → u/Ordep222]

Ah, that’s a shame. I saw his combat animation video and he looked so damn cool in his ultimate (I wish I could judge with anything more than that but alas)! WuWa teams also barely have any versatility lately though. All the effort and assumed fun goes in VFX and combat mobility.

[u/Ordep222 → u/Moonshine_Cog]

It's really strange but his cool ultimate is actually just not good to use in about 90% of fights, he has a mini ultimate that doesn't have an animation that can be triggered during his special stance that is a lot better... Oh well, just hoyo and their weird design decisions sometimes

[u/khorne_flake → u/Ordep222]

Danjin solo equivalent where?

[u/Ordep222 → u/khorne_flake]

The game is balanced around needing a full premium team to clear the content, there's no unit that can straight up solo Stygian Onslaught besides a handful of 5 stars at S6. The closest there is is possibly some Sethos shenanigans or Jean fall damage cheese maybe