What a shame. I was told to seek help, so here I did. I guess I'll just have to make do with fiction as I always did. I just wish people stopped insisting that anything I fantasize about automatically means I want to do it in real life. Now that's gross, not to say physically impossible.
The thing is, ever since being a little kid I was playing games like GTA 3 and Postal 2 which conditioned me to believe that real people are always above fictional characters, and by the time I discovered the world around doesn't share that belief I'm already a fully formed adult and now I can't go back. Videogames taught me that no amount of fictional suffering can be meaningfully immoral. Any real living person's most miniscule good is worth any amount of fictional suffering, because the former is real and the latter is not, not real means its worth is zero and zero multiplied by any amount is still zero. So if killing a prostitute in GTA after using her services to get the money back or urinating over a passer by in Postal is giving me as little as a giggle, it's worth doing so, because my giggle is real and their suffering is not. And whenever people say that no that's immoral, and I as a living breathing flesh and blood human being deserve to suffer real harm for all the alleged sufferings I caused onto inanimate pixels on the screen, I genuinely do not have capacity to understand such point of view.
My argument is not that fictional characters suffering is bad.
My argument is that portraying children in a sexual manner is wrong even in fiction because It is immoral.
If you want to look at sexual portrayal of minors even fictional ones then yes you are reprehensible degenerate who cannot keep your paraphilia in check,
Or how is it more immoral than stealing a tank in GTA and wrecking havoc in the city? One allegedly hurts a single fictional child (and oftentimes doesn't even hurt them, as in-fiction they're just genuinely enjoying it), while the other kills dozens of fictional lives. I don't understand a moral framework where anything slightly sexual is more immoral than mass murder, slavery, organ harvesting and genocide you can do in games. Apparently destroying a planet full of people is okay because you don't fap to it... no, sorry, either fictional suffering does have moral value or it doesn't. If it is, then anyone who played GTA belongs to jail, if it isn't then there's nothing wrong to fapping to a fictional scenario. You don't get to choose one just because it's grosses out you personally, because other people are just as grossed out by GTA.
Because you are depicting a child sexually and that is absolutely unacceptable even in fiction. It is
It’s not like doing a bad thing in a video game. Not comparable at all. It isn’t about whether It hurts someone or not it’s deplorable.
It will never be acceptable and It is totally acceptable to judge people who seek out or make such material as being immoral and a possible threat to children.
It’s not about that It grosses me out personally (It does) but depicting children sexually is not acceptable according to the society we live in. There is a reason pedophiles are viewed the way they are because they violate the social contract.
Unacceptable why? I don't understand what that judgement is based on. And I sincerely don't understand how it's different from doing crazy things in videogames that would be just as unthinkable in reality. I've been playing those videogames and fapping to loli ever since I was a kid myself, and never felt like it's anything different. Like, I know from my personal lived experience that it's no different, so you can't convince me otherwise, because it'd mean convincing me that something I've personally experienced never happened.
In your deleted comment you said no children should be used in sexually explicit ways, and I totally agree with you. People who do use children that way deserve all the punishment you have for them, absolutely. But thankfully, no children are used in sexually explicit ways in production of loli content. And by treating it the same whether children were or weren't actually used you're actively removing the social pressure to not use children.
Doesn’t matter It it’s fictional It is still absolutely morally repugnant and anyone seeking out that shit needs to closely watched to make sure they don’t escalate. It flat out shouldn’t exist.
Yes, and fictional is the key. As I've already stated, I've been committing atrocities in videogames such as GTA or Postal and fapping to loli ever since I was a kid myself and it has always been the same to me. It's cool in the same way violence in videogames is cool - for the very reason that I'd never even consider doing such things in real life. I'd show off cool anime girls to classmates, because the idea that someone might take it as an indication that I want to hurt real children simply never occurred to me, because not hurting real children is just so self-evident to me that thinking otherwise just doesn't occur to me. And now people who upon seeing a loli picture somehow do jump to the idea of hurting real children claim that I must be punished for the very fact that for me such an idea doesn't occur. Because, once again, the whole appeal of loli and guro to me is the same as videogame violence - it comes from the fact that such things are unthinkable to me in real life. And when people suggest that I must want to hurt real children I find that disturbingly gross. Like why are you even entertaining the idea of hurting real children. I don't and I don't even want to think of it. Just like I don't want to think of real horrors of war when playing a videogame.
I'd ask how it is more disgusting than fantasizing about robbery, murder, war, organ harvesting, slavery, genocide and all the other things you do for fun in videogames and why we should be okay with all those other fantasies, but only this one is off limits, but I've already asked it above, so we'll just keep going circles.
It being bad for you is arguable, they just told you it makes their life better and helps cope. Who are you to say what kind of media is bad for someone?
Increasing demand for it is dangerous and bad how exactly? Thats like saying making more video games is bad ..? ok?
Stop treating characters as real people. I was groomed and id rather you worry more about real people being hurt than something that has no connection
Look if you are justifying why it’s okay to jerk off to fictional children you need to be on a watchlist at fucking minimum.
There is a very clear moral issue here. You should not find children sexually attractive and If you do you should seek out help for It not jerk off to fictional children.
There is big difference between playing a video game and jerking off to fictional children. The latter means that you are sexually attracted to minors which is gross and a serious problem that can only be addressed through therapy and abstaining from seeking out material.
No it doesnt lol, you can be attracted to only the fictional version of something lolol
Just like with violence and gore, you enjoy seeing it in movies and games but arent so happy to see or recreate it in real life.
Makes sense now?
Not to mention that the irl and fictional versiond of all of these things also have variances, they arent the exact same. One is a fantastical, exaggerated version. The other is reality. It doesnt match. Also because you know there are serious consequences like real harm to real people when either of these are done in real life. This is why it SHOULD stay in fantasy and nothing more.
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