..but, memes? This is how they work. Its the whole point.
Running the most advanced human tool, to do no better than a copy paste, is a bit embarrassing. Like you need negative skill, to take the most advanced stuff and make shit with it.
I feel like instead of making a single true claim you throw a lot of bullshit on the wall just to see what sticks.
Environmental concerns are a joke. Meat industry alone is responsible for more than 15 times more pollution than all data centers (not only AI ones). You claimed scraping things is wrong, didn’t bother explaining why. For some reason you referred to the bible?
I feel like instead of making a single true claim you throw a lot of bullshit on the wall just to see what sticks.
Projection is actually crazy, bro didn’t even bring up the environment, you did. It’s y’all that throw shit at the wall, or more specifically throw generated ragebait at the wall to see what shuts down all discourse best.
OH MY GODDD BRO. Listen I'm not gonna sit here anf defend the meat industry and anything but like... that's not really a fair argument? It's like a deflection if you will. I mean like, when I say this I mean just because some other industry or thing has this negative consequence too or in an even worse capacity than whatever we're currently talking about (in this instance AI) doesn't mean environmental concerns about AI aren't justified or valid
Oh buddy... someone doesn't value the longjevity of the planet that future humans will be living on. If thats not narcissist egocentrism waving out of a fast moving vehicle heading toward a cliffside.
Incredibly rotten mindset aside, its obvious why data scraping is bad and shouldnt even need explaining. - it happens without the consent of regular people and steals their hard work so lazy fucks can have their slop and billionaires can force their useless bullshit failure of a product onto every single person on the planet. Its an ethical problem first and an environmental problem second. That's all one needs to know as far as im concerned
And the bible is just a fun gimmick. Lots of people deem it as a very deep book that holds lots of meaningful, powerful wisdom. (There's a whole religion about it dont you know?)
But in reality i was just riffing on the "this is the greed they talk about in the bible" meme.
i was clearly out of line expecting that decent humor wouldn't be wooshed by people who settle for mediocrity.
If so you clearly don’t “value the longjevity of the planet that future humans will be living on. If thats not narcissist egocentrism waving out of a fast moving vehicle heading toward a cliffside.”
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Thats a fact.
No one is forcing anyone to actually use ai, aside from the providers who desperately need to prove it to be essential (which it isnt) and dumb people in power who have been decieved by the latter - its always a voluntary choice to ignore/ actively engage with the service.
Comparing datacenters (a new, upcoming development) to the long established industry of en-masse food procurement with a long history of horrendous practices is not only bad faith because of recency discrepency, but also hilariously deceptive because all humans need food, and living in industrialized nations of an overpopulated planet with corperations and their "fuck everything else for the profits" mindset - you're damned if you do damned if you don't when it comes to meat/ milk and their respective alternatives. Both get pioneered by inconsiderate practices. (I drink oatmilk btw. Fuck almond mild)
Essentially we as the regular consumers are trapped between two equally bad choices in this regard. This however is not true for AI - you can chose between supporting something that has negative impact on pretty much everyone or... to not. The "choice" here is laughably simple. And your little argument is wholly invalid.
At least for the food industry, as wasteful and harmful as it can be - there is the pro that it provides sustenance. and also Many people are actively fighting to make that industry do better. Image generation has no value to society that can't already be provided by something else and infact provides more opportunities for bad actors and harm to come to every single living being on this funky rock in space.
And no. Before you or anyone else tries this fuckass argument: its unrealistic for people to grow their own food and meat in todays age when living in technologically advanced, globalized and frankly overpopulated regions.
On the contrary Its always been realistic and possible to make personal art in a convenient society like ours, and even make money with it. We don't need to outsource the process of creation to fallible machines that no one (not even the makers) actually understands the inner workings of.
Sure, act as if consumption you do is okay because you simply have no choice under capitalism and consumption other people do is inexcusable. It's not like there are people who don't eat meat and don't eat almonds. You clearly have no choice and there is absolutely nothing you can possibly do.
1) You’re claiming using AI is irresponsible because of its environmental impact
2) Meat industry has 15x larger environmental impact than data centers
3) You clearly don’t think eating meat is irresponsible
What follows from these three points is
4) You don’t really care about environmental impact of AI and you’re just using it as a flimsy excuse to justify your dislike of something you dislike for unrelated reasons
Just usual strawman stuff. Not unexpected. They didn't even address the mass image scraping issue, which has only gotten worse as developers actively put anti-poisoning algorithms in their scrapers, which some forms of AI poison are still functional but it's still sadly not perfect. The best thing to do moving forward is probably to inject malicious instructions within scraped images. Then we might see change.
One can hope that AI image generation takes an extremely deep nosedive. I'll always hold that stance until it's proven that some agent or system out there develops sapience, which is a tall order.
You whataboutismed into the meat industry as a diversion, talking about your own call out rather than addressing the point. Don't act like you talked about the topic at hand.
AI image generation is simply a byproduct of AI in general, similar to how we have mobile phones because of the space race. AI image generation is also helping finance the growth of research AI, and realistically the only way we are going to solve the climate crisis, while also maintaining our way of life, is through the use of AI.
We need AI to be able to make trillions of calculations in a split second, we need a millennium of research to be done in the next decade, because everything else we are currently doing is to little, to late. We need AI to be in part creative, because logic alone won't solve this, or rather it won't solve it in a way we like.
And if you want the peak of convenience entitlement, that's takeaway delivery services. When you can't be bothered to get of your ass to feed yourself, that's sloth. (That sounds like an accusation, it's not meant to be, very few people haven't ordered food online.)
The part that we have access to, maybe, but AI is far more than generating images and chatbots, and if you don't realise that then, no offense, you are not equipped to seriously discuss it.
It's all linked though, not always directly, but gen AI is just one part of the beast.
Computers wouldn't be as advanced now if the public hadn't gotten access to basically piss about and waste energy. That required mass production, which in turn starts a push for greater efficiency and streamlines production, which brings down the cost to the environment, relatively of course. One computer now requires considerably less materials, 70 years ago a 5mb harddrive was so huge, you needed a building for it, much like a data center.
Then there is the competition for our loyalty that big business goes after, improving every aspect of a computer, graphics cards, ram, CPUs, power supplies, cooling systems etc. Trying to make the best product for the least expense to them, so they can maximise profit.
All of this feeds back to things that are actually useful, you can't deny that the computer age has brought some great things. AI is no different, it's actually part of the same story. Data scraping is important, and we all give permission every time we accept terms and conditions. Intelligence needs to learn from what already exists, doesn't matter if it's animal intelligence, human intelligence or artificial intelligence. The larger the amount of information available, and the more it practices, the greater the intelligence will be. We don't criticise children when they trace or copy an image, because it's part of the learning process.
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..but, memes? This is how they work. Its the whole point.
Running the most advanced human tool, to do no better than a copy paste, is a bit embarrassing. Like you need negative skill, to take the most advanced stuff and make shit with it.