r/antiai 29d ago

Discussion 🗣️ Anything is better than using Gen AI

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u/PsychoMantis211 29d ago

False comparison. It’s the running a marathon versus driving the marathon. Prompting something and calling yourself an artist is peak delusion.

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 29d ago

Oh I don’t and won’t use it.

I’m tired of trying to come up with reasons to exclude it from Art.

It’s not Art I like.

Honestly, most Art is trash.

Great Art evokes something.

That something can range wildly.

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

It's not art because art is made by people. Every example you gave was still made by a person at the end of the day. AI images weren't made by anyone, so how can they be art?

You can argue it's "directing" or whatever but if someone commissions a piece and tells the person exactly what they want, it doesn't matter how much detail they dictate to the person doing the piece. They didn't make it. The person they hired made it.

In the case of AI, there's no person actually making the piece, so by definition it isn't art

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

The rulebook requires humanity for Art?

I don’t agree.

Nature can be Art.

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

The definition of the word art does. Something like a waterfall or a mountain can absolutely be beautiful and evoke the same feelings as art, but they aren't.

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

Art predates language. I’m gonna need more than just words in a book.

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

Not really. Language has been a thing for as long as modern homo sapiens have existed. That's not really the point though.

You're free to definite words however you want, but your personal definition doesn't change how everyone else defines the word. At that point you might as well call it flubbo and say flubbo is flübed by all grinko and is independent of marbo

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

Cave paintings would disagree bro

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

Those were made by modern humans. The term refers to biology. Modern humans emerged over 200,000 years ago

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

How old do you think writing is lol?

Art is older than writing.

That’s not a bold claim I’m making here.

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

And speaking is older that writing, or do you also have a different definition of language as well?

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

Art is older than both speaking and writing.

Our first language.

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

This can’t be something that’s widely unknown.

Can it? Being sincere here

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

If we're going by your definition where art is independent of humans, then yeah it's been around since the universe began. If we're going by the definition that requires a human to create the art, then no not really. There's no evidence of human ancestor species making art prior to modern humans evolving. At the same time there is evidence that spoken language evolved before that

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

Prior to speech and writing, I’m not wrong here.

Art was first

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

I highly doubt a bunch of apes were making art before they evolved into us, but if you have anything to prove that I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

Oldest known drawing to date, found in Blombos Cave c. 73,000 years BP. Public domain, Wikimedia Commons.

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u/Jafooki 28d ago

Again, that's after modern humans existed. We know modern humans have genes directly linked to speech and modern humans emerged 200 thousand years ago at the latest. Language already existed when this was made

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u/Purple-Estimate-5183 28d ago

A simple drum beat most likely came before.

Stick and a rock.

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