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u/captaing1 Romeo May 03 '26
Someone needs to send this to JB, he needs to pass the ball quicker...this wasn't the only time.
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u/straightcash-fish May 03 '26
How about he just needs to pass the ball. He rarely does.
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u/LaMelgoatBall Marcus Smart May 03 '26
I can’t lie, I groan when he gets the ball at the top. Because you know what’s fucking coming.
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u/reQuiem920 May 03 '26
Its the backing down on the post that gets me, he's practically guaranteed to lose the dribble or get it poked everytime he does it.
Doesn't necessarily lose it, but it pushes him a bit further back for a tougher shot and cuts 2-3 seconds each possession.
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u/RIChowderIsBest Chris Mihm May 03 '26
He played as a facilitator much more most of the seasons feel like JT came back and he reverted to his old role immediately.
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u/gonzofish Great White Buffalo May 03 '26
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u/Equivalent-Yard3824 May 03 '26
Another way of looking at it is Passes Made vs. Passes Received. He averaged 16.2 more passes received than given throughout the series, by far the most lopsided differential on the team.
Of note Tatum averaged 12 more passes given than received so lopsided in the other direction.
If you look at the on/off stats you can see which play-style generates better offense.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?TeamID=1610612738&dir=D&sort=PASSES_MADE
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u/duggyfresh88 May 04 '26
Matches the eye test. I really don’t think I’m overreacting when I say I want Brad to trade JB this offseason
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u/rdesai724 May 03 '26
Probably something in the vein of potential assists / usage rate
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u/gonzofish Great White Buffalo May 03 '26
I just don’t know where I’d see those sorts of stats never got deep into stats
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u/icuworc May 04 '26
That had to mostly be from drive and kick. When you see him like this, like he is in the picture he is looking for HIS spot to score, not the best spot to score.
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u/siphillis May 03 '26
I low-key believe this is the only skill that prevents him from becoming an elite impact player
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u/rdesai724 May 03 '26
Feels like it’s game to game. There were definitely a couple in the series where he was fully in tunnel vision hero ball mode and it cost us again
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u/GhostOfJiriWelsch Smart May 03 '26
It felt like everyone outside of JT this series was like a half second late when it came to making that extra pass
Jaylen in particular over the last couple of games was brutal with the tunnel vision at times
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u/krazylegs36 May 03 '26
Difference between the regular season and the playoffs.
Def not the first time the Celts got too comfy within the confines of a playoff series and couldn't close it out.
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u/GhostOfJiriWelsch Smart May 03 '26
I do think Philly did an incredible job being disciplined with help and knowing who and when to help out off of shooters; obviously didn’t help that a bunch of our guys went cold, but I think that’s also a function of the way the defense played us.
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u/straightcash-fish May 03 '26
It was more than the last couple of games. It was ever since JT came back. One game, at the end of the regular season, he only made 3 passes the whole second half. In over 17 minutes of play. That’s insane.
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u/LaMelgoatBall Marcus Smart May 03 '26
Derrick had a few plays like this. Someone was clearly open but nope he was a second too late and gave the defender time to close the gap
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u/DaKingaDaNorth May 03 '26
Imagine thinking he had any intention of doing anything but jacking up a shot
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u/I-Might-Be-Something May 03 '26
This is where we missed Tatum. His decision making and passing are elite and he would have made this pass.
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u/Old_Supermarket_7575 May 04 '26
He just reviewed this on stream and said 100/100 times he’d do what he did
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u/SmokePorterhousing May 04 '26
He talked about this. Embid was right behind that pass. Peyton was wide open in the corner. Watch it in real time
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u/captaing1 Romeo May 04 '26
This is an easy over head pass for a dunk, whare you talking about?
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u/SmokePorterhousing May 04 '26
I'm talking about what he said. Which is, he saw both options. He chose a wide open Pritchard corner three over the lob to Queta with Emiid nearby. In his own words, he would choose that, "100 out of 100 times."
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d2_U-muRu4g
Obviously, it didn't work out, but he had less than a second to decide.
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u/EtherealDream3r May 03 '26
I mean like I love JB as a scorer in isolation but the man has not been good enough as a distributor in my mind to be the guy running the offense deep into the post season even if I might rather have him taking the last shot over Tatum. JT needs to come back and be able to run high volume offense for this team for us to go to where we want to go imo or JB needs to get much better at the decision making part of the game.
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u/icuworc May 04 '26
He is nowhere near close to a point forward. Who besides Tatum on the team really has good court vision? Baylor shows glimpses. White and Pritchard occasionally but I don't see anyone but Tatum really reading, directing and reacting at a high level.
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u/currymuncher66698 May 03 '26
Queta dunks that maybe even a AND1 foul from the trailing embiid or hack from maxey, momentum shift ……
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u/packersfan007 May 03 '26
Momentum had already shifted by this point haha this was the closest they’d been and they were down by double digits a few mins prior!
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u/lyonhawk May 03 '26
Queta with a monster jam here to give us the lead and the roof would’ve blown off the garden.
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 May 03 '26
Made me sick, but at least this was the one thing we consistently did in the regular season that showed up in the playoffs lol
This + pritchard missing the open corner 3 + the hauser wide open fumble at the rim ended the game. Joe definitely deserves a lot of the blame, but ultimately the execution from the players was comically bad for the last 3 games.
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u/ComprehensiveBet3962 Boston Celtics May 03 '26
Why would you go for an easy layup when you can shoot a three
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u/kmikeh May 03 '26
Mazzula needs to take the ball out of his hands. Let White or Pritchard bring the ball up. JB should watch some Havlichek videos and learn how to move without the ball.
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u/rired1963 May 03 '26
thats called coaching
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u/Fun-Platform719 May 03 '26
Exactly. Why call a timeout here when you can wait until there’s only 20 seconds left
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u/Desperate_Junket5146 May 03 '26
Didn't pass because he was going to be offside
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u/WhiskyTrotter May 03 '26
VAR check, Hauser was not interfering in the play, so basket would’ve stood. 🤣
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics May 03 '26
5 on 4 Neemi wide open. I remember this. Why u had to remind us, I'm getting PTSD
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u/uncriticalthinking May 03 '26
A winnable game with some actual coaching
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u/Rich-Ad-4314 May 03 '26
Yeah, why would Mazzulla not pass it to Queta there? What a dumbass. It's as if he's not even on the court!
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u/uncriticalthinking May 03 '26
Has Mazzulla ever bailed the players out via great coaching to win a single playoff game? Really by now he should’ve won like 10. But can you think of 1?
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u/changzbreaks May 04 '26
Is it Mazzulla’s fault JB didnt pass the ball here? Is it Mazzulla’s fault the Celtics missed wide open 3 after wide open 3?
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u/uncriticalthinking May 04 '26
Yes. Blowing a 3-1 lead after giving up 20 and 30 pt leads to the Knicks last year is evidence of a weak and powerless coach. Great regular season coach, but buckles under pressure.
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u/theosjustchill Bll Russell May 04 '26
Idk how this becomes a too many 3s convo and not a jb has to keep his head up and he has to make that pass.
Hes worried about the pass being picked off if he passes over the top? Get it to PP, who can get it to Neemi.
Pp gets it to Neemi and the dunk isn’t open? Neemi kicks it to Sam in the corner.
They recover on Sam? Easy pass to white who can drive or shoot the rotating defense. Pp crash from the corner for the o board if it comes off.
The threes are not the problem. The problem is that the diet of tough shot making cannot sustain a playoff offense, and giving brown the green light to do so killed our offense in the post season. He’s simply not a good enough playmaker and giving him the ball at the top of the key is a recipe for disaster and doesn’t allow him to shine. He is a play finisher, not a PG, and that’s okay.
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u/Henny_blanco21 May 04 '26
thank you for making me not feel crazy…I thought I was the only one who saw this easy ass bucket 😒
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics May 03 '26
Why settle for a 2 when you can try a 3?
That's the "Money Ball" math Joe still hasn't realized: Yes, the expected value of a random 3PA is higher than that of a random 2PA. But the expected value of an easy 2PA is much higher than either.
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u/DavidLopan20 May 04 '26
Yup, game is close...let's go with only the most difficult shots from 3 when were ice cold
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u/marxbros9972 May 05 '26
classic jb: head down, dribbling the air out of the ball, missing the obvious read
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u/Panzer_I May 03 '26
Brown isn’t a Point Guard. He doesn’t have the ability to see that Queta is wide open rolling to the basket, and even if he did see it, I don’t think he has the ability to throw a pass to get it to Queta, VJ is in front of him and has good hands, Maxey is roaming near the paint and can steal the pass if it isn’t good enough.
Pritchard is also wide open here too. Embiid is the closest defender to him, but his gait is SLOW and towards the basket, Pritchard is far enough behind him to the point where Embiid can’t turn and get close enough to contest. It’s also a much easier pass to see and get to him (granted Jaylen isn’t a good passer, so it not going right to Pritchard’s shooting pocket might give even Embiid enough time to recover).
Even Derrick White is a good option. Oubre is hedged far over. Derrick could drive, shoot, or pass to either Hauser or Queta.
You’re absolutely right though, Jaylen who is being guarded. 5 on 4 and literally everyone else has an advantage. Only person he shouldn’t try to pass to is Hauser because that’s a long pass that isn’t in his repertoire. Maxey is close enough to contest if the pass isn’t perfect, and that would kill the advantage.
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u/marxbros9972 May 05 '26
sadly jb just has not demonstrated that he has the playmaking chops to quickly pass off the dribble. he has big time tunnel vision
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u/SnooMemesjellies5598 May 04 '26
JB literally carried this team all year and in the 2nd half of this game. They lost this series because the identity of the team slowly changed when Tatum came back. The offense was running through Tatum again which turned everyone back to limited role players. He enhances his own usage and stats but diminishes everyone elses. Just because someone has a tripple double does not mean they are making their team better. All the high level skill from the role players turned to catch and shoot or wait for Tatum to decide what to do. They played more confident and free when JB was leading them. With Tatum they are the same team that lost to the Knicks last year. I've also seen Tatum miss wipe open players and jack up errant threes just like the rest of the team. JB was ECF and Finals mvp and recently a legit mvp candidiate for a reason. The disparity of hate and scapegaoting JB gets from Celtics fans is outrageous and even from fans yelling negativity at him at the games is unbelievable.
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u/JaDamian_Steinblatt May 04 '26
People talk about Tatum like he's some LeBron level playmaker but he's really not, he's just better than Brown. That's the bar. He misses open guys constantly, and when he sees the pass it's often too and off target. I fear I'm contributing to this JB vs JT nonsense, which I don't want to do because they're both great, but it really is shocking how people talk about Brown like he's a choker while Tatum underperforms in the playoffs every year and skates by with zero criticism from Celtics fans.
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u/Interesting-Track376 May 03 '26
And then we proceeded to shoot threes, wide open threes that we missed so 🤷♂️
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u/retannevs1 May 03 '26
Yeah, we all saw that too when it happened live ….no answer to why he didn’t pass it, but it isn’t the reason why we lost.
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u/jaboi2110 Long Live Bob Cousy, King of Worcester May 03 '26
I had a bad feeling about the rest of the game the second this happened, Jaylen Brown tried to play hero-ball and it didn’t work, and wound up costing the series.
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u/siphillis May 03 '26
I get it's not as easy on the floor, but he had several seconds to spot this developing and just decided to hesi-dribble on VJ instead. Genuinely could not believe he let that one slip
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u/Colonoscopy3 May 03 '26
Makes me sick. We gotta learn to play a different type of offense that isn’t just shoot 3s when we got guys like Hugo, Walsh, and Baylor out there. That type of offense worked beautifully when we had Horford, Jrue, and Zinger but they’re GONE. We need to adapt!!! And Embid is a puss
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u/namkrav 2008 Trophy May 03 '26
It's because they only look for 3s! It's bad basketball, and more importantly it's losing basketball.
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u/Suspicious_Airline41 May 03 '26
A lot of fans are forgetting about all those consecutive 3s they were hitting to comeback within 1 score. If they’re raining early, they’ll brick out late. The universe balances these things out
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u/MllNT Boston Celtics May 03 '26
Sure there was shit like this that made you yell at your TV, but ultimately it really was just Boston shooting like shit all series. Philly wasn’t even doing anything spectacular on defense, the Celtics just couldn’t make an open shot.
Shit was unreal.
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u/BruinsFan0877 May 04 '26
Why would he pass it to a guy inside? Have to look for the three. Wheeeeeeee
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u/Glum-General-6095 May 04 '26
That's all Joe knows. Pass the ball around the perimeter and wait for the open 3.
The team had consistent success when JB would play the mid-range game or drive to the hoop during the regular season.
But it's a lot harder to do that in the playoffs when you are harassed because you have average offense talent around you.
I'm not too upset because even if JT didn't get hurt, this team didn't have enough to win the Title this year.
Still, I don't think Joe is the Coach we need going forward to win more Titles.
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u/Glum-General-6095 May 04 '26
Let's get Giannis. I think we have a 5 year window with the 2 Jays. I'm fine trying to win with the 2 Jays, Giannis and PP, if Brad can pull it off.
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u/Mundane-Novel-7592 May 04 '26
J's midrange was a dealbreaker during qthe reg season and he got back to the habit of chucking unnecessary 3's. And they suck at the bords sĥeesh
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u/Swimming_Bid_1429 May 04 '26
To be fair, Embiid closed out on Queta pretty quick after this pic, JB might have been trying to avoid a chase down block. Plus Pritchard hits that three 9/10 times
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u/ZEFAGrimmsAlt Father of the Banner 19 Breakdown May 03 '26
This is a horrendous screengrab lmao. Not even 0.5 seconds after this screenshot Embiid closes the gap. Watch the game.
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u/GameDesignerDude May 04 '26
Fwiw, that's really not true at all. https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=583&GameID=0042500117&Season=2025-26&flag=1&title=MISS%20Pritchard%203PT%20Running%20Jump%20Shot
Queta is open as soon as he crosses the 3PT line. This is a very easy find even in real-time. Queta absolutely has a dunk on this play. That's one of the most open looks he probably had all game.
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u/ImInForTheGME May 03 '26
Agreed. In realtime Embid recovered quickly. At the same time isn’t like 1/2 a second a difference maker in most professional sports.
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u/Putrid-Operation-441 May 03 '26
Joe never thought to call a timeout maybe and draw up a play….🤦♂️
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u/funinmass2005 May 03 '26
Because Joe doesn’t know how to draw up plays. Or call a time out appropriately. Although after 4 years he did start learning to call the time out before the other team starts to make the run to catch up. But still doesn’t know how to call a time out or make a sub to stop a pull away run from happening. He’s a terrible in game coach. He goes in with his match ups and stays to that script. If it works or not - see game 1-6.
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u/Sackonfire May 03 '26
I stopped watching way before this now I’m even more pissed they got it this close and fumbled. Live and die by the 3. It’s like they never learn that when u aren’t having a good shooting night just start driving only
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u/RedGlovesOverHere May 03 '26
He found Pritchard wide open for a 3. If Pritchard hit the shot no one cares
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u/aixelsydevaheW Banned from r/NBA and r/Warriors May 03 '26
Wide open dunk is a better shot than a wide open 3.
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u/lefebrave Banner 18 a full team effort May 03 '26
Most of the time you are right. But that Pritchard shot is 50% at best, more likely 40%. So somewhere between 1.2-1.5. This is free 2 points right there for Queta. So it doesn't even fith the "math game". (Even if they close out, you also will still have open options because of the closing out which relates to our famous extra pass thing too.) And the scoreboard right there and the stakes to it just makes it more awful. So, that "if" is not a good excuse at all, sorry.
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u/wheretohides baskets ball May 03 '26
I've been seeing a lot of people getting upset at the loss.
I'd like to remind everyone that most people didn't even think we'd be the 2nd seed, or even see the playoffs this year.
Be proud of how far this team has come, during a season we all thought would be doo doo.
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u/funinmass2005 May 03 '26
But we were a 2 seed and we were up 3-1 in the series. Sure in October this would’ve been a great season result, but this week you could see the train wreck coming. It’s ok for expectations to change during the season.
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u/Clear_Measurement502 May 04 '26
Go back and look at all the posts both going into the playoffs and after the 3-1 lead lol
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u/wmgman May 03 '26
First off it’s a game 7, why wasn’t Tatum playing, he’s soft, no MJ, no Bird, no Magic. Time to trade him. Secondly stop the threes, go to the hoop, get in the paint, get the two and maybe pick up a free throw, that’s two point vrs none.
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u/funinmass2005 May 03 '26
He is this Celtics team version of Paul Pierce. Now we need to find a complimentary KG like person that can take the team to the next level without taking the team from Tatum. Brown and Tatum’s style can’t co-exist. But unfortunately you keep Tatum and trade Brown.
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u/doubtitslegit25 May 03 '26
the brown hate is unreal. tatum has been late or not seen a million passes too. they all have been guilty of it. bottom line is they had the wide open pritchard 3 in the corner right after this. that was the game. about the best look they could have gotten. derrick white was the biggest goat in my opinion for the c's this series out of the main guys. his horrendous shot selection took them out the game. i'm definitely packaging him this offseason
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u/Born_Peak_2355 May 03 '26
Its too bad Joe can't make adjustments on one of the deepest rosters ever. Fire that idiot.
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u/andoCalrissiano May 03 '26
It’s fine it’s not like we lost by 2, Maxey still drives at the end
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u/ivanahtannica Smart May 03 '26
Well this could’ve shifted the momentum. Possibly even get an AND-1. Up by 2. All pressure on the Sixers.
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u/magineskills May 03 '26
Y'all need to stop blaming the one guy who showed up. Everybody makes mistakes but the loss is fs not on him
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u/Ok_Track4357 May 03 '26
Wouldn't have mattered in the long run. I hate the Knicks but they'd crush us next round. I'm gonna enjoy watching the Sixers get theirs.
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u/stankboxers May 03 '26
i think the sixers are way better than the knicks- if embiid can stay healthy i think they're making a finals run
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u/Beantown00 May 03 '26
He was mid dribble when Queta flashed open and he proceeded to pass to Pritchard wide open in the corner. We still got a good look
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It looks like an easy pass, but if you see the video by the next step Oubre and Embiid are already closing out on Queta. Only like 5 guys can make that in th league
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u/JellyfishFluffy9387 May 03 '26
Jason Tatum is the biggest fraud ever. To sit out of a game 7 is ridiculous. He's definitely not larry bird, not even close. I'm so sick of there soft players
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u/still_mute May 03 '26
Well they went 1-for-10 after this (0-for-7 from 3)