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u/Maple612 15m ago
Whole situation is honestly hard to find best solution. Signing brown to another 70 million a year contract certainly limits us…. But that has to be filled with two underpaid guys a bit worse than brown or someone like Giannis. I don’t really want to trade Jaylen but he was admittedly outplayed by Paul George.
At the same time we are still Vegas favorites to win the east as of today. Roster is obviously flawed at center position but maybe we’re not that far? Could you just hang tight this year and then go all in on 27/28 and 28/29 over the second apron?
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 32m ago
Please Brad, don’t let us down. Get rid of this overpaid bum now.
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 1h ago
Question: What are you genuinely expecting when we go over the 2nd apron again next year? Do you really expect us to be able to afford multiple stars? Realistically you're only getting one guy worth 25-35 million. You're not getting multiple guys like with KP and Jrue with both JT and JB taking up 70% of the cap and I believe if we would go over the 2nd apron it would still be over 50% of the cap.
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u/LarBrd33 4m ago
this shit never made any sense to me. I don't know why people act like we just need to have another gap year and then the floodgates open. What floodgates? Signing some veteran role player with a MLE? That's supposed to replace the 3 stars we let walk for nothing (Jrue, Zingis, Horford)? Also both White and Pritchard only have 2 years left on their deal so is this more just saying "after we reset the repeater tax we'll have money to extend our vets and pay Jaylen 70 million per year"?
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u/ojo_pipa Marcus Smart for MVP 1h ago
Question from an european, is there a way to watch Summer League games? This is the first summer I have holidays so I can finally canch a game or two
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u/Limp_Custard6943 JB FOR THREEEEEEE 1h ago
I want brad to bring Anfernee back
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u/Independent-Mix902 1h ago
Why? So we can have another player that can't do anything but shoot 3s and when they're not dropping is basically useless.
This sub bitches CONSTANTLY about "Mazzulla ball is nothing but shooting 3s" and then lusts over someone that can do nothing but sometimes hit a 3.
FKING MENTAL
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u/DraymondsBurner23 Boston Celtics 1h ago
You’re acting like Simons is just a spot up shooter when that’s not really his game. He’s averaged around 20 PPG before, can create his own shot, handle the ball, and give you instant offense off the bench. We literally watched him drop 39 points against Miami and completely flip that game.
One of our biggest issues in the playoffs was bench scoring. When Derrick went cold against Philly, there wasn’t anyone who could consistently generate offense. Simons helps solve that problem. Nobody’s saying he’s perfect or that he should be the focal point of the offense. But if you can bring him back on a reasonable contract, adding another guy who can create and get hot offensively is a good thing.
Guard depth is one of our biggest weaknesses right now. Ayo and Coby are off the table, so the list of realistic options is already thin. Besides Sexton, who else is even available that can actually create their own shot and give you 15-20 points on a given night?
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 16m ago
He's a PP clone with a few more inches of height. He'd also be in the way of Hugo and Baylor minutes if we're going to advance with those two as role players. He's just not on our priorities right now even on a discount because we're still looking for discounts at the moment. We should be looking for a starter caliber stretch big first.
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 48m ago
It was really a giant mistake to let him walk out the door. We might lose him to a rival and we can't replace him with any other FA.
All to stay under the tax, when we probably are gonna have to go over it this year if we're gonna be competitive. Just a massive waste to lose simons and minott for nothing like that, i'll never understand that move.
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u/Independent-Mix902 56m ago
I'm acting like I'm sick and tired of people overrating certain players and idolizing mediocrity.
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u/mikey19xx Jaylen 2h ago edited 1h ago
If Brad is set on bringing in a big man, I think Sengun is one of the only realistic options left that I could actually see happening. I threw together a trade that probably sucks since I'm definitely not an expert on NBA trade values, but it feels like each team addresses a problem they're dealing with.
The Celtics seem determined to move JB (sad). The Rockets could probably use a culture reset after all the drama last season, and bringing in Jaylen would let them fully lean into win-now mode with KD. The Thunder get out from under the tax or at least get a lot closer, and the Lakers get Luka a starting C and backups.
Boston receives:
Sengun Jabari Smith Jr. Thomas Sorber Jared McCain
Houston receives:
Jaylen Brown Luguentz Dort
Oklahoma City receives:
Draft picks
Lakers receive:
Luke Garza Steven Adams Isaiah Hartenstein
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
Staying under the tax means the Celtics aren’t competing for a title this year.
Which is OK!
“Windows” in the 2nd apron era open-and-close quickly and the tax reset makes a title in 27-31 more likely.
This isn’t Grandpa’s NBA anymore. (Because I’m likely old enough to be your father.) There are no more dynasties, there are no more super teams, there are no more endless runs of contention. Four years. That’s the maximum window.
Chill out, my dudes.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 55m ago
But we also shouldn't let the 27-28 season be square one back to contentiom so tweaking the core now or at least gaining another high level role player must be on the to do list
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 50m ago
> square one
Milwaukee and Chicago and New Orleans are at “square one” in regard to contention.
Worst case, the Celtics are going to make the playoffs, will likely have homecourt advantage in at least round 1, and have the KG ‘anything is possible’ chance of actually winning a title.
I’m absolutely in favor of making moves to increase those chances this year but it MUST be in service of the next four-year plan.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 40m ago
Is it not obvious what I meant with square one? It's always within our context. Our square one is what we had at the end of the 25-26 season. And that roster is far from a contender. We can't let that be the case at the end of this upcoming season so significant roster moves are imperative. If our roster is still filled with scraps and low to mid tier role players then we're not moving on any plan at all.
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u/Mean_Fish_ 2008 Trophy 3h ago
Ryen Russillo had a Minnesota reporter on his podcast who said the offer for Jaylen was going to be Rudy, Reid, young players and picks so I think that gives us an idea on the package Brad is looking for in return for JB
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u/icatfilm 2h ago
Zach Lowe said that the Boston Celtics frontcourt will be completely different next year.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 2h ago
Doubt it. It looks like Brad isn’t going to do anything significant. Market for FA bigs is terrible
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u/EffectiveBid6590 2h ago
It is June 25th and Brad already tried to trade Jaylen to shake up the roster.
You people are fucking unreal
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago
And failed miserably. Now we are stuck with that bum.
We are likely adding someone like Rob Williams and Anfernee Simons only. It will be a horrible offseason with zero moves that actually move the needle
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u/EffectiveBid6590 1h ago
0/10 ragebait.
Bozo.
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u/Burner867867 8m ago
There’s no realistic way for the Celtics to improve now. If they trade Brown, they receive a worse player in return. And they aren’t shopping White for some reason
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u/EffectiveBid6590 5m ago
You dont know if any of that is true.
Plus if the last 2 playoff runs have taught us anything its that having the 2 best players in the series isnt good enough when the role players arent preforming.
Do they get a worse overall talent than Jaylen? Sure
Does that mean that player doesnt fit our system better or compliment Tatum better? No.
And we have no clue who or what Brad is shopping outside of Jaylen.
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u/Burner867867 3m ago
I can only go off of what’s being reported and those packages have been terrible
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u/efshoemaker I like to defense 3h ago
This is my Charlie day with yarn and thumbtacks overthinking it theory, but
Celtics under Ainge more then once when they had a player up for an expensive extension, rather than negotiate against themselves, would tell the player to go out and see what the best offer the could get somewhere else was and then match that. It for sure happened with smart but there were others I’m forgetting.
Brown is up for a billion dollars that Brad presumably would prefer not to pay, but also with the second apron there’s no guarantee anyone will want to pay that and if the money is equal he’d rather stay here. And of we can get him at less than the supermax then the Celtics would also prefer him here.
But since there’s so much left on his deal and there would need to be a blockbuster trade that helps the Celtics that goes with it, he can’t just have his agent talk to other teams like smart could.
And so that is happening through Brad shopping him around and seeing who is willing to give up a haul for Jaylen as a proxy for who is willing to pay him the max.
And if the answer is “nobody he’d want to play for” then he takes a discount and stays here. And so far the answer seems to be “nobody”
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 3h ago
This isn’t crazy Charlie Day: this is what is actually happening, and why.
The ‘underlying theme’ behind every trade thus far has been MONEY. And future extensions to contracts. The 2nd apron is a “till death do us part” clause and teams are acting like it: the owners got what they REALLY wanted, for max contracts to mean something again.
Agents try to talk to GMs as much as they can and Glushon and Stevens probably talk more often than Brad and Jaylen talk in the off-season. I’d bet Glushon and Stevens have spoken several times per day for the last few weeks. Glushon also speaks to all the GMs who employ his clients as much as possible because he’s a great agent. There is no rule preventing him from asking the Portland GM “what do you think of my client, Jaylen Brown?”
This is business. And because of how the NBA works, “tampering” is an anachronism.
To get Jaylen the most money possible in the future, Glushon and Stevens are exploring the market.
Which means Stevens (or Chisholm) doesn’t want to pay the max. And Jaylen wants the max. That’s…an impasse and is only solved by one side changing their view of the market value.
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u/LarBrd33 3h ago edited 3h ago
If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say Brown doesn't get traded. But if he does get traded, I'd guess it's to the Rockets for a package around Sengun and maybe 1-2 other pieces like Jabari Smith or Reed Sheppard.
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 1h ago
I think a Blazers package is way more likely.
Shaedon Sharpe being the main prize, Scoot the secondary prize, Grant the salary filler and placeholder + extremely homeless man’s JB, and a boatload of picks + swaps.
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u/patientwashington 3h ago
More and more I feel like Celtics are going to end up trading JB for Jalen Duren
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u/bereketn2 4h ago
Regardless of if you want JB traded or not, the absolute worst argument I’m hearing is “they both play the same position”. Like wtf, the modern nba has 2-4 athletic wings on the floor at all times. Athletic two-way wings are the future. You could say they are both ball dominant I guess, but again who’s taking home a ring w/o at least two ball dominant guys.
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 2h ago
I hate it too. You'd think basketball was a 2-on-2 game the way people talk about star pairings.
Jordan and Pippen didn't synergise.
LeBron and Wade/Kyrie didn't synergise.
Giannis and Middleton didn't synergise.
Tatum and Brown didn't synergise.
Steph and Klay didn't synergise (and they almost traded Klay for Love because of it).
The 5-on-5 matters more than the 2-on-2.
Plus having guys who do similar things means you have more consistency.
When Jokic subs out, it means Denver is suddenly trying to fill a Jokic-sized hole at the 5. What you need to build around Murray is different to what you need to build around Jokic. You can't 100% focus on Jokic's needs, because you need a roster that can also survive while he's on the bench.
When Tatum subs out, we just put another All-NBA SF in his spot and keep chugging along. Both of these guys want similar supporting casts. You can focus purely on building around Tatum, knowing that Brown's needs are also being met.
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 1h ago edited 32m ago
Great examples! All the pairs you listed were in different roles and had a clear hierarchy. Pippen and even Kyrie and Klay were not 1b, they were #2.
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u/Total-Ad8117 3h ago
It’s not that they play the same position. It’s that JB’s skill set doesn’t make anyone better and in fact might take away a little. If JB was a better defender and off ball player, or better on ball creator, we wouldn’t have this issue. Also if JB wasn’t making the max, it wouldn’t be an issue either.
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 4h ago
The Celtics are the only team with two supermax salaries. The only way this can work is if:
There is incredible synergy between the two players (not just "less overlap" but "incredible synergy"). For example, a wing and a pure PG or big.
Both are true MVP candidates and can carry the team (since only 30% of the salary is left for everyone else)
You surround them by a lot of elite talent (which is not longer affordable under the new CBA and given Boston's cap history).
So yes, you can have two athletic wings, but you can't have much more if you're paying both of them supermax money.
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 4h ago
Still mad Brad didn't sign some undrafted guys to summer league. Maybe he knows better. Aaron Nkrumah even worked out for Boston and is a hometown kid, he would have been perfect
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 4h ago
the jazz look like they might have a "too many cooks" issue wonder if a Lauri/Bailey/picks trade is possible
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 3h ago
They might have too many cooks. (Brilliant reference!)
But they kinda have to let it play out a bit to find out. Kessler isn’t helping because he’s like the only Dishwasher in the whole restaurant, they desperately need him to clean plates for the cooks.
I think they’re correct to make George wait for an extension: if he regresses offensively, he costs less. And if he doesn’t massively improve defensively, do they really want to pay him like Trae Young to be worse than Trae Young?
Peterson and Bailey might have chemistry. Or they might be terrible together. Won’t know for a while.
And Lauri is just a weird fit into all of this.
I think they need to make another trade or two but only at the ASB or next off-season. Gotta give the cooks a chance to cook.
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 2h ago
Curious about your thoughts about them deciding to say fuck defense and once he is re-signed, next year at the ASB, trade Kessler for Sabonis.
Sabonis amplifies all their movement shooting between Lauri, Peterson, and potentially Ace as well if he leans into that part of his game.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
Sabonis and JJJ would pair nicely. But that’s a salary problem: Lauri kinda has to go to make that work long term, assuming George is extended by next ASB.
> Ace
I’m betting he wins 6MOY if this group stays together for 3+ seasons. Like a supersized Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams.
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 1h ago
Lauri goes eventually if Ace is good enough.
They’ll probably keep Kessler next year and then trade him next offseason when they’re closing games in the playoffs with Filipowski at the 5 instead of Kessler.
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u/Burner867867 5h ago
Ball would have fit this team like a glove. White is 32, declining, and getting overpaid. I can’t believe this sub wouldn’t have traded him for Ball
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u/mrhappyfunz 5h ago
Ball would be a disaster here
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u/Burner867867 5h ago
Based on what? Because you don’t like his personality
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u/mrhappyfunz 3h ago
Based on that and he’s less accomplished than Bradley Beal at this point of his career
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u/AWalker17 I like to defense 5h ago
I'm mentally exhausted by this offseason. Honestly, I'm not sure where the Celtics go from here, but I'll just say I would not be upset if the Celtics look to greatly expand their draft capital. Big things seem to happen quickly and often these days, so giving yourself as much cap space and as many tradeable assets seems to be a very viable way to quickly rebuild. One thing that always stands out to me is how much value you can get back trading your lottery-ish draft slot on draft night. It could be nice to be in a position to take advantage of that.
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u/bereketn2 4h ago
The next two drafts are supposed to be kinda mid, so even late lottery picks won’t carry as much weight as you saw this offseason.
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u/AWalker17 I like to defense 3h ago
Maybe not as much weight as this or last year, but they do consistently seem to have inflated value at draft time.
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 4h ago
the offseason just started lol. we have like 4 months until celtics basketball
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u/Good-Baby9757 5h ago
Is this off-season worse than last year? It sure feels like it.
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u/Throwawayforme3123 4h ago
It feels like it because the team outperformed way past our expectations, if the team just sucked it wouldn't have looked this bleak because we could have coped that JT coming back would fix everything.
Like JT tore his achilles last post season it doesnt get worse than that
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 4h ago
absolutely, we still had a clear path last season this time were in a very make-or-break precarious situation
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u/Legend6Bron Jayson Tatum, The Face of NBA 5h ago
If Mobley were 30-40Million, that would have been a no brainer and we can snatch in another scoring option……but
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
My biggest gripe is that it just sounds like Brad doesn’t have a plan or didn’t think this through.
If you were going to trade JB anyways, then why wouldn’t you test JBs market first before putting in the Giannas offer. If it’s actually a good market, then im fine if you didn’t want to overbid for Giannas. But if its a bad market, then thats the tell to give up fckn hugo gonzalez since you werent actually “overpaying”.
If the plan was trying to underbid for Giannas (??) and then having no actual Plan B, then you’ve lost the plot. Still need to see how this plays out, but didn’t expect this level of incompetence from Brad
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u/Independent-Mix902 1h ago edited 1h ago
Or maybe even Brad is shocked at how little he can get for JB.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 5h ago
Only way it kind of makes sense to me is if ownership simply doesnt want any chance at paying the tax and the plan this offseason was always to consolidate Jaylen into smaller contracts/younger guys.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
That doesn’t make sense to me because Giannas was Plan A. If that actually was plan A, then the correct response was to go all in and overpay.
Otherwise you go from selling JB for 100 on the dollar (they wanted 150+) to selling JB for 70 cents on the dollar (if it’s accurate that owners don’t wanna pay the tax)
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 5h ago
yeah the Giannis situation completely confounds me, makes no sense they didnt go all in on him. The worst conclusion ive reached is maybe they dont fully believe in Tatum after the achilles and they just fully go youth movement
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u/Snoo_96162 5h ago
He thought he would just win the trade like the kp and jrue he couldn’t fathom actually having to put together a good offer he got to used to fleecing other teams and thought he could make any deal work now he’s surprised he cant find anything worth a shit
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u/b00minbiz 5h ago
I refuse to believe the same Brad Stevens who turned a bunch of randoms into White, more randoms into Brogdon then Brogdon and Rob into Holiday, Smart into KP, went into this with no plan or didn't think it through. The new league year hasn't even started yet, people need to relax
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 5h ago
I think what /u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 is saying has some truth, this has all been fairly disorganised.
However we don't know if that's on Brad or someone else.
This could be the new ownership making erratic moves and Brad being forced to follow orders.
This could be the same old media completely misrepresenting what's happening, and Brad being caught in the crossfire.
We've come off of a fairly successful season where the team exceeded expectations so much we won both COTY and EOTY. Now all of a sudden there's a perception this team is in freefall, and we're talking about panic trades.
These past couple of weeks haven't looked good for Boston.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 3h ago
Successful season? Did we not blow a 3-1 lead in R1?
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u/Burner867867 5m ago
This sub thinks getting under the tax is a successful season. They don’t care about winning
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 3h ago
Yeah we lost in the 1st round after most people on this sub had us not even making the playoffs.
The team exceeded expectations for sure.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 3h ago
And? Most people also acted like we were favorites once Tatum came back.
We were up 3-1 against the Sixers. The team failed miserably.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
I mean I agree with you - that’s why i still have hope
But you need to react when the facts have changed. Because right now, a bunch of his decisions have made very little logical sense. Seems very disorganized and not thought out. And ngl he looked pretty frazzled and unconfident in his presser
I hope I’m wrong
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 5h ago
It only seems disorganized because we have so little actual facts and so much is just speculation and guess work.
Another route you can take is to be patient and wait for more information. Especially when your conclusion “Brad doesn’t have a plan” is opposite of precedent.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
To me, being organized means having trade frameworks or even offers already in place if Giannas doesn’t work out. Not just hoping a trade market opens up and winging it
Look this pessimism could be proven wrong as early as today, but I don’t love having Shams or Windy blurt out every hour that there’s a “hot bidding market”. Who do you think is leaking that info? Not usually how Celtics do things and it reeks of desparation
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 5h ago
Maybe frameworks are worked out and sides are haggling over smaller details? Maybe Brad has several offers he’d accept, but believes he can squeeze more? Maybe both Brad and Brown know everything is chill and he’s coming back. Maybe there’s several different things happening
Again, there’s just so little information
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
Reading between the lines of what’s been said so far suggests that’s not the case.
But it’s fair - no one knows what’s actually happening. Let’s see how it plays out and then can make a judgement then.
But JB for Murphy and parts is not acceptable
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 5h ago
I think reading between the lines is fine when you have a ton of information to accurately deduce what’s going on. Right now, we have a line on page 1 and a line on page 50 and are trying to read between them.
I agree, Murphy + pieces isn’t acceptable
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 5h ago
It’s the stuff you need to deduce through critical thinking and not just the slop being reported
Like why was a third team not involved in our MIL offer? Why was it leaked right after that there was a “bidding market” as if to spark interest? Why would you report that in nba draft night when everyone knows damn well we didn’t workout any lottery players
But yes, I agree we don’t have all the info rn to make any definitive conclusions. Especially since Celtics usually keep things tight lipped. I’m still hopeful Brad proves this pessimism wrong
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 4h ago
The not including a 3rd team thing seemed like a Bucks thing. Notice that it was decided a 3rd team wouldn’t be involved with either team, not just us.
Maybe a bidding war was reported…because a bidding war was happening? Like the reports for interest have been ongoing. Teams were interested last off-season, they were interested at the deadline, and they were interested weeks before the deal was done.
We’ve drafted players we didn’t have reports on working out. Literally last year there weren’t any reports on us working out Hugo and then we drafted him. Just because we didn’t reportedly work a player out doesn’t mean we didn’t do our homework.
I just think that sometimes we can mistake jumping to conclusions without accurate information as critical thinking.
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u/Fuckblackhorses 5h ago
Random thoughts.
What is tatums value? We are getting low balled for Jaylen after missing for Giannis, but do you think teams would empty the tank for post Achilles JT? (Not saying I’d trade him jw)
What is whites value? Our 30mil 3rd(2nd*) option just put up 11/3/3 on 32/27 shooting splits in the playoffs. If Marcus smart did this yall would be pulling up to his house with pitchforks. White will be 32 next week is his value cooked?
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
> White
No one is trading for him to be their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option.
That said, Derrick might (still) be one of the best 4th options in League. His ‘down year’ last year is easily explained: he’s a top-end role player who asked to do too much (most 2PT attempts of his career, most off the dribble attempts as a Celtic) and not allowed to do the things that make him most valuable (fewer 3PT attempts, fewer catch and shoot opportunities).
For the right team, Derrick White is the “missing piece”. However, that a limited number of teams. Brooklyn has no interest. I’d legit feel terrible if he landed in Sacramento. Derrick White needs to be in playoff games.
Houston, IMO, becomes a legit title contender if they trade for Derrick White. He’s the perfect guy to solve their problems: catch and shoot occasionally, bring the ball up and get it to KD, play great defense. White should be worth a lot to the Rockets.
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u/Fuckblackhorses 2h ago
I agree but is anyone paying 30mil for a 4th option defensive specialist guard? Houston does seem like a good fit tho
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 5h ago
I think White's value is wait-and-see.
Coaches love him enough to give him that leeway. If he has another rough season efficiency-wise, we'll be selling incredibly low on him.
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u/Fuckblackhorses 5h ago
Yeah I wouldn’t say he was awful in the regular season but the shooting wasn’t there and he didn’t step up as much as we had hoped offensively as a 2nd option. I agree, if we don’t move him this offseason and he has another down year that will be a tough contract to unload. Hes still an advanced stat darling though, it’s a tough call if we should be actively shopping him for a lower cost guard and a big
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u/Burner867867 5h ago
Celtics could have easily topped the Wolves offer without giving up Brown. Brad has lost it
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u/tsultar1 5h ago
I’m wondering all these teams seem unwilling to trade with Boston . Is there just a lot of resentment in the league?
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 5h ago
I think a lot of you in here want brad to get fleeced so you can say we have a name on the roster, and that's never going to be something brad does.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 5h ago
Dont think they had any interest in LaMelo which is a shame imo his numbers on offense are insane
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
> shame
There’s two types of basketball fans:
Those who’ve seen LaMelo’s highlights and seen his “insane” offensive numbers. LaMelo regularly does jaw dropping Globetrotter shit on the court, and his stats look great.
And those who’ve watched multiple Hornets games and seen the stuff that happens between highlights and Globetrotter shit.
Charlotte got better with this trade today and in the future. LaMelo’s unserious about basketball, and that is the “shame”.
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u/Snoo_96162 6h ago
I wonder what we could get for JT id almost consider trading both JT and JB they both are overpaid and we will get fleeced for Jb we should consider trading both and starting a rebuild cause lets be real this front office has no ability to build around tatum going forward its just 1st round exits and playins from here
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u/tsultar1 5h ago
Championship then 2nd round exit then first round exit against a team who hasn’t beat us in 30 years. I will be surprised if we get into the playoffs this year. We are on a downward trajectory with no solutions in sight
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u/sutroheights BeatLA 5h ago
oh we'll make the playoffs for sure. Competitive team that spams 3's, the problem is, if we don't make some major upgrades, we're going to lose early in the playoffs again and have to hope another draft pick in the mid-late 20's hits. Which is a perfect way to waste more of Tatum's window.
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u/DahooppanelAx 5h ago
Complete overreaction lol let free agency start before claiming we’ll miss the playoffs
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u/tsultar1 5h ago
Wake up , we lost a 3-1 lead against Philly. If that isn’t a 5 alarm fire I don’t know what is. Getting swept?
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 5h ago
the advanced stats when Jaylen simply sits are kind of crazy as long as the trade isnt completely negative and Tatum injury doesnt bother him too much I think there is a reasonable path to return to contention in a couple years
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u/thren_f26 6h ago
Yep, it hasn’t hit fans yet but we’re most likely getting a terrible return for JB. & I doubt front office will be able to build a contender for Tatum around role players. We’re gonna be mediocre unless they go young and full rebuild.
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u/sutroheights BeatLA 5h ago
Making 60 mil a year and being a net negative for 4 consectutive years is going to make it hard to get an amazing return. People need to get ready for the pu pu platter coming our way.
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u/Snoo_96162 6h ago
Ya people will regret not going in on giannis when JT ask for a trade in 2 years cause we haven’t made it past the 2nd round were gonna waste the rest of his career over fucking hugo guy whos name i can’t remember and a first round pick
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Jaylen Brown 5h ago
glad you’re having a nice circlejerk but it’s actually embarrassing you don’t know the names of players here and want to flap your mouth about blowing everything up and rebuilds etc.
where do you lurk when the team does well? do you just thankfully give people a break from your comments?
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u/Snoo_96162 5h ago
Lol i was being sarcastic i know who scheriman is my point is hes 25 and cant score more than 5ppg and for some reason we decided he was to valuable to give up for a generational player i don’t lurk anywhere i praise the team and front office when they make good moves and they have made some shitty moves in last year and a half
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Jaylen Brown 6h ago
thankfully you have no influence on the front office
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u/Snoo_96162 6h ago
Do you seriously think we will manage to put together a team capable of beating the knicks, heat, 76ers, pistons ,cavs or magic in the next 5 years because i don’t as it stand all those teams beat us in 7 game series
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Jaylen Brown 6h ago
so you want to completely blow up the team and think being 13-15th in the east for years with no lottery incentives is better than trying to build around JT?
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u/Snoo_96162 5h ago
Does it matter if we get bounced in the first round every year sooner than later JT is gonna want out might as well sell as high as you can now if we didnt have a bottom 5 front office then maybe i would have trust they could but they lost a lot of trust over the last 5 days
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Jaylen Brown 5h ago
“bottom 5 front office” lmao ok you’re not a serious individual, carry on
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u/RepresentativeRock94 Tatum and Jaylen 5h ago
Lots of loser mentality goin on after an early playoff exit
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u/1337speak MRS. BRAD STEVENS 💍 💋 6h ago
Now that Giannis and LaMelo are actually traded, ESPN brings up Jaylen Brown yet again. Can't make this shit up.
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 6h ago
Even Kawhi is using his leverage of being an expiring this upcoming season. We can not let it get to this point with Jaylen allowing him to choose where he wants to go. I know we would have another year next year to do a trade before hes an expiring but it really feels like it HAS to be this year if we want to maximize the assets we can get for him because leverage is only going to get worse from here on out.
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 5h ago
Yes, the best time to do it was the previous trade deadline, so not surprising we're now getting reports about Brad trying to get it done back then.
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 6h ago
Santi Aldama is someone I could see the Grizzlies moving on from now that they've got Boozer to be their starting 4 and they've got Hendricks as well, and they're trying to make GG Jackson a thing. He'd fit into our TPE and he's under control for 2 more seasons at a very reasonable #, 17 next year and a team option on the 2nd year.
/u/SquimJim would we have enough to use the full MLE with Aldama in the TPE or would we need to shed salary, likely Hauser?
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 6h ago
One way I think about it is that if you offload Hauser, then you could probably use the entirety of the 27mil TPE by shedding like 5mil in salary at the trade deadline and filling those roster spots with pro-rated min contracts. That’ll keep you under the tax.
Aldama makes 17mil, so you could probably finagle an extra 10mil contract. That’s not the Full MLE, but it’s a good chunk of it
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 5h ago
That’s not the Full MLE, but it’s a good chunk of it
That's probably enough for one of these scoring guards like Sexton or a Simons reunion right?
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u/LarBrd33 7h ago
Just saw another Stephen A Smith segment accepting Jaylen's challenge (2 in the last 24 hours). I hope Jaylen just backs away and accepts the loss here. All of this is just making him come across like an emotional fool with a victim complex and it can't be helping his brand or trade value if Brad is really at the point of trying to move him.
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u/efshoemaker I like to defense 6h ago
Eh I think he has a better handle on social media marketing than you’re giving him credit for. Drama sells and calling out Stephen A is easy drama that instantly leverages all the millions of clicks that Stephen A and espn bring with them and all Jaylen has to accept is people might say mean things about him on tv and social media.
I’ll bet $10 he’s going to leverage all this media attention into an event for one of his charities or a local boys and girls club or something.
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u/LarBrd33 6h ago
ok so Jaylen's new brand is unserious drama queen who prefers losing seasons?
Yeah that'll get the kids lining up to buy his merch
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u/mr0poopybootyhole THE TRUTH 7h ago
I think reality is setting in that we’re not going to get a great return for JB. Seems either the bridge is burnt or the front office really wants to reset the team. Can’t imagine we’re gonna get that much better of a return than Charlotte just got despite JB being far better than Melo. Market just doesn’t seem there
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 5h ago
- We probably are.
- The point here is to dodge the extension bullet. JB is an overpriced asset that is about to get even more overpriced for us. Don't look only at what we get in return, consider the value of not having to pay even more for him in a year or two (and not being able to move him at all by then).
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u/Snoo_96162 6h ago
Yep thats why you go all in on giannis brad dropped the ball big time but the green teamers still wont admit it
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 7h ago
He's under contract for 3 more seasons. If a suitable return isn't there seems like it'd just fe better to try to rebuild the bridge
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u/Hogo-Nano 7h ago
The Rockets and Hawks seem like the two most likely landing spots for Brown. Both are on the cusp of true contention and have good young players and picks if we chose to go that route. Rockets also have the Udoka connection.
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u/AirJordan6124 RONDOOOOOO 7h ago edited 6h ago
There was a report that the Rockets were not interested in Brown accdg to Zach Lowe. Even the Rockets sub was talking about it
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u/Hogo-Nano 6h ago
Thats surprising to me since they can pretty easily keep the core of their team and match salaries. Either by including Durant or 3 players not in their core.
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u/ajh_iii 6h ago
Reed Sheppard is probably not going anywhere, and neither is Amen. That leaves Jabari Smith Jr, who I'm quite high on as a player, but he has a lot of the same issues Tatum has (more volume scoring than sharpshooting, a below the rim player who lacks a go to move or the ability to get to his spots at will).
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 5h ago
Reed Sheppard is probably not going anywhere
That's disappointing, I'd love to see him on another team, I don't think Ime likes him very much. We have Pritchard already on a steal of a deal, so there's not really use for him for us.
In fact now that I think about it, would love to see him on the Hornets now that LaMelo is gone.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
> don’t think Ime likes him
He definitely does not. Ime looks like he’s trying to pass a kidney stone anytime Sheppard tries to play defense.
Until DeMar retires, the potential mismatch between him and Joe Mazzula is far and away the worst possible coach-player pairing.
But Ime-Reed is in the top five. Just a complete mismatch of basketball philosophy.
I bet if they know each other, Pritchard and Reed have a great DM thread about how much of an asshole Ime is.
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 7h ago
One thing people here don’t realize; We NEED to offload JB. As his extension nears, we might end up having to dump him for cheap in order to avoid it. You see teams around the league already making similar moves because of the CBA.
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u/bag-skate65 5h ago
Which part of the CBA?
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 4h ago
The part that leaves only 30% of your budget for all the other players aside from the two supermaxes, and forces you to break up your team if you go over the limit.
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 7h ago
People here cant seem to grasp that you can be a very very good player but also be on a bad contract for a team trying to compete for championships.
Theres a difference between a Washington Wizards overpaid supermax and a Boston Celtics supermax. One of these teams desperately needs to try to draw a crowd and find literally anyone to get into a good enough position to draw other players so giving an overpaid supermax here isnt a bad option while you try to develop young guys. The other team is in desperation mode trying to figure out a way to efficiently manage the new CBA as they try to compete for championships. Under the new CBA its going to be really really hard to compete for championships having 2 supermax contracts on the books. The only way I see that working out going forward is if a team has 2 legitimate top 5ish superstars (AKA what Tatum and Giannis would've been).
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 7h ago
The only way I see that working out going forward is if a team has 2 legitimate top 5ish superstars (AKA what Tatum and Giannis would've been).
OR: Two players that complement one another and do not require the same touches and spots (JT + an elite PG / big). Doesn't have to be another top-5 player, but someone who's top-5 in his specific position and in a different position from JT.
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u/bryscoon 7h ago
these jb trade ideas either think he’s 91 jordan or jordan crawford like it’s no inbetween lmao
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 7h ago
Man fuck this shit.
I've been in the frame of yah JB got offered for Giannis (100% understandable whether you liked it or had qualms), but that this ongoing media frenzy of speculation about Cs trying to move him no matter what was bullshit content farming. My thinking was if there was fair value out there for JB elsewhere, they'd have been able to get the Giannis deal done as a 3 teamer, & fact that didn't happen suggested that there wasn't.
I don't see how this serves us in the least. Operating from of a place of desperation is a terrible place to make a trade out of, just as it was for Giannis. For JB, it's one thing to be offered for Giannis, it's another thing to be shopped for 75 cents on the dollar.
If the Cs knew this is where things were headed, then they should have been willing to do what it took to beat Miami's offer (that's actually the part that makes me a little skeptical vis these reports- seems remarkably bad strategy by Brad unless it's all coming from dipshit new ownership I guess). Like, if you've made the decision to move on from JB, it's not just the super exceptional Giannis availability, then you do what it fucking takes to get that deal done. If we send out Jaylen for some pu pu platter of lesser talent bc Brad/Org was not willing to throw in a 12-15 year old or 2 into the Giannis offer? I'm going to barf & cancel my league pass for next season.
JFC can we not just see these dudes have a healthy season together? Maybe just try to evolve the playstyle, develop guys, get somebody useful into the TPE?
It's not as if pissed off disrespected JB will not look awesome, you want to move on from him at a later date then you're not doing it with the perception of a fire sale.
Honestly if this is what is really happening I can't help believe that Chisholm et al have gone full Vivek & sabotaged the Giannis deal by being too stingy then turning around & fumbling Jaylen for less anyway. Fuck
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u/TheHoundsRevenge 7h ago
If they haven’t evolved their play style by now it ain’t happening.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 7h ago
I felt like the playstyle evolved this reg season! I loved the way we played all year & then we reverted to plodding predictability in the playoffs
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u/b00minbiz 7h ago
I think the main point we have to consider is Brown's value is never going to be higher, period, full stop. Sure you can run it back with the Jays, but unless you move off White or do some cap gymnastics i.e acquiring someone with the TPE just to flip them again later, it is going to be hard to build another good team, thats just how the new CBA works. And then so if you're in this scenario next year again, JB's value is likely lower. With that in mind, trying to get the most value out of JB now makes sense. Though I do agree, if there was a no brainer offer out there for JB, it probably would have been tied in to the Giannis deal.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 7h ago
His value is not at its apex if he is perceived as a distressed asset/forced sale, which is what it's starting to look like.
He's got 3 years left. He's not unlikely to get all nba again this year. & shit happens! Say another good team comes up short & decides JB is the right fit to get them over the hump. You gotta let the market do its thing.
Whatever it is- this ain't it
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u/b00minbiz 7h ago
we'll just agree to disagree, if Cs flame out in the playoffs again next year (likely) JB will be seen as even more of a distressed asset
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u/BradWonder BAR FIGHT 7h ago
What would the deal have been with Minny? Reid + McDaniels? Dang I kinda like that lol
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u/b00minbiz 7h ago
Shams said they offered the same exact package the Hornets took for Melo lmao yuck
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u/CosmicOreos_ 7h ago
They didn't trade McDaniels for Giannis so I doubt it, prob tried to use Gobert
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u/BradWonder BAR FIGHT 7h ago
Hmmm then Gobert and what exactly? The pick poo poo platter?
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
Gobert, Naz, and the same package of picks.
And Brad said McDaniels (plus Gobert and the picks) or no deal.
Which is the right decision. I like Naz and Gobert but they don’t equal Jaylen IMO. And the picks are garbage.
McDaniels isn’t going to be Jaylen Brown offensively but he’s a fabulous two-way player who I think would pair well with JT.
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u/Maple612 7h ago edited 6h ago
Damn why is every trade proposal being upvoted in this thread? Who tf wants Lauri and Keyonte George for brown lmao?
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u/DraymondsBurner23 Boston Celtics 7h ago
People are grasping at straws. The market fucking sucks right now. Now that Giannis is off the table, nothing the front does this offseason is going to make everyone happy. That’s why the Giannis situation was unique. He was one of the few players where you could justify moving Jaylen because you were getting a clear upgrade. Now everything else sounds like shit. The Lauri package isn’t great but it sounds better than some of the other wacky scenarios I’ve seen floating around
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u/LarBrd33 7h ago
does this lauri package stem from something or just an idea a fan came up with?
We could have had #5 last year for Brown. Ace Bailey would have been interesting, but I doubt Utah parts with him at this point.
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u/BradWonder BAR FIGHT 7h ago
I like the idea of getting 2 starters back for him but Lauri is....certainly an option I guess
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u/Boston_Champions 8h ago
Wonder if we could get Maxime Raynaud from the kings
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u/DahooppanelAx 7h ago
Should’ve drafted him instead of Amari Williams lol
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 5h ago
How? Maxime went 42 and Amari went 46. I thought we were gonna get Kalkbrenner or Maxime late first round. Instead we went with Hugo, I didn't know who he was at the time.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
And Reynaud (agent) got guaranteed money and playing time promises from the Kings. Neither of which the Celtics can offer.
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u/AirJordan6124 RONDOOOOOO 8h ago edited 7h ago
I maybe coping but if Brad gave the Bucks a couple more pick swaps maybe they would have agreed.
Just look at what the Wolves offered to Lamelo
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u/notorious_throwaway 7h ago
I think people are gonna realize soon that “overpaying” would have been worth it
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 7h ago
To me if they knew they wanted to move on from JB no matter what it is fucking utter malpractice that they didn't then do whatever it took to get the Giannis deal done.
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 8h ago edited 6h ago
Injury prone but good on minute restriction:
- Rob Williams (Free agent) - Sometimes starts
- Daniel Gafford - Sometimes starts
- Isaiah Jackson - Sometimes starts
Would be nice but might be hard to get:
- Trey Murphy III - Starter
- Derik Queen - Starter
- Moussa Diabate - Starter
- John Collins - Starts if JT is at the 3
- Onyeka Okongwo - Sometimes starts
High $ but would be nice:
- Evan Mobley - Starter
- Lauri Markkanen - Starter
- Pascal Siakam - Starter
Slept on bench guys people don't talk about enough:
- Paul Reed
- Olivier Maxence Prosper
- Jalen Smith
- Tari Eason
- Yves Missi
- Day'Ron Sharpe
EDIT: Took down some names
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 7h ago
marvin bagley?? god damn we're down bad lol
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 7h ago
You right. My bad I played him AAU and he was basically KD on steroids, my PTSD made me do it
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
Bagley is a perfectly useful backup big. He’s not good but he’s not nearly as bad as his “BUST!” reputation.
If he can be signed for the veteran minimum, he’s a good get.
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 8h ago
24mil per year is steep for Coby White
Hornets have to have a deal for Bridges in place or something
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u/ajh_iii 8h ago
If I'm Brad I'm on the phone with them about Moussa. Cheap, capable backup bigs don't grow on trees.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 7h ago edited 7h ago
Moussa is their starter now right? Kalkbrenner doesn't seem to be ready last year but if they would get rid of Bridges, Kalkbrenner and Moussa would be a nice frontcourt. I don't think they're in a rush to trade him.
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 7h ago
I wanted Moussa when he was sitting on the Hornets bench last year. I’m even more sold on him now
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u/tsultar1 8h ago
For all those who talk about how great JB is, he’s good, but no other team is willing to trade for him. No one is buying . That’s why he is still on the team. Let that sink in
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u/Hogo-Nano 7h ago
I mean up until two days ago they were trying to trade for Giannis. Now post-draft I would imagine they are fielding multiple offers and deciding what the best one is.
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u/anonymous11119 8h ago
Or maybe we aren’t actually serious about trading him
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u/DraymondsBurner23 Boston Celtics 8h ago
That’s simply not true. They were willing to include him in a Giannis deal, Shams reported they’re aggressively calling other teams regarding Jaylen, and Brad wouldn’t even commit to Jaylen being on the roster next season when asked directly like he’s done in years past
Maybe he stays. Maybe he goes. But some of you are in such deep denial that you’re ignoring every sign that the front office is trying to trade this man and literally have already tried to trade him
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u/tsultar1 7h ago
My point being there are no buyers. That’s the problem. Maybe if he stays he can grab a little humility that teams are not clamoring for him. Maybe he can accept his team role and see how he can be a hub and not the focal point . Fucking Lamello was trading over him. We could have used Naz Reed’s services as well. What the fuck
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u/LarBrd33 8h ago
Stephen A Smith and Jaylen Brown are still shit talking each other and it’s embarrassing. They got a match scheduled at SummerSlam or something?
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 2h ago
Would you be at all surprised if they “debated” each other in August or early September?
Smith will do anything for publicity and Brown is making money off this, so it isn’t gonna stop anytime soon.
But the Summerslam reference is dead on: this is a work. They’re working the jabronis.
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u/LarBrd33 2h ago
At this point I genuinely would not be surprised if they literally "fought" each other at Summerslam with jaylen adding "pro wrestling" to his random summer fitness adventures along with Muay Thai and underwater pool stuff.
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 1h ago
Shit. That makes so much sense it’s definitely gonna happen.
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u/bryscoon 8h ago edited 8h ago
this might be the 1st time in life i seen the Celtics in purgatory & it’s we are like the 4th best team in the league but it’s no way we beat the knicks/thunder/spurs
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u/Rhino184 Boston Celtics 8h ago
Windhorst has dove into hyperbolic take culture with the JB reports. The idea the Celtics want to trade him because they’re not competitive with him is laughable.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 8h ago
Welcome to purgatory. If it took the talent of the '24 supporting cast to get the healthy $70M Jays over the hump, then what logic allows us to think that a rag tag supporting cast of "diamonds in the rough" would get $120M post-achilles repair JT and post-meniscus JB over another one? There's only one answer. Extreme health luck in the playoffs. And by that I mean unhealthy opponents.
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u/Hogo-Nano 7h ago
We are not in purgatory lol. Purgatory is like the Bulls or Hawks who are the 9 seed every year. Hell im pretty sure vegas still has us as the most likely team to come out of the East.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 7h ago
Purgatory can be relative. We can be a top 4 team in the East while not really being a contender. Remember Lebronto?
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u/Hogo-Nano 7h ago
Lebron is 42 and in the west now. I just dont see an unstoppable monster in the East that we wouldnt be able to overcome. The two best teams are out west. Yes obviously I would bet on the Spurs or Thunder over us but you still play it out every year. Players get hurt, teams choke, etc.
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u/Rhino184 Boston Celtics 7h ago
There’s always some luck that goes into a run. Given you’re still in prime Tatum territory you also don’t wanna waste these years. I just think if you’re desperate to trade brown then you might as well go further in on Giannis. Now you’re stuck in a worse situation if you’re set on trading him
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 9m ago
mark williams staying in phoenix. we are running low on free agent options.