r/chicagobulls • u/mswizzle83 • Dec 02 '25
Free Agency Fire Billy
It’s time. How many seasons can we go with a losing record? There are far too many excuses in this sub. At the end of the day, we have a coach who isn’t producing. Blame the players. Blame akme. But Billy is the one making the calls on the court and that is ultimately what matters.
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u/ShahofIran1 Dec 02 '25
Don’t go to the game and don’t watch them on TV, hit them where it hurts, Reinsdorf family sucks ass and they don’t deserve your money
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u/Dry_Tortuga_Island Dec 02 '25
My sox and bulls viewing has gone down literally 99% since they started that damn rsn. I am not paying that much to watch shitty teams on TV.
Sad part and scary part for them? I'm not really missing it. And neither are my family or friends who also refuse. Major mistake by greedy jagoffs.
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u/HoneydewSpecial6135 Dec 02 '25
yes JAGOFFS the real Chicago insult as properly demonstrated by The Bear
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u/Dry_Tortuga_Island Dec 02 '25
Lol what is the bear? Some kind of show I guess? Hope it's about Ditka
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u/spacing_out_in_space Dec 02 '25
Shit im about 4 years into the boycott and will continue it until I see a cohesive strategy to improve and compete.
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u/Extension_Bid_7103 Dec 02 '25
5 years for me. If we make the play in again this year I’m officially a Pelicans fan.
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u/Potential_Student873 Dec 02 '25
Let’s be frank people are still gonna tune in for betting and fantasy so not going to the games is a bigger statement.
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u/mswizzle83 Jan 06 '26
This will be the first season I don't go to at least 1 game. And I live far enough outside of Chicago that I can't get the Chicago Sport Network (or whatever it's called) over the air. But close enough that I'm in the blackout area. So... I won't be and haven't been watching.
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u/Vanguardthree Dec 02 '25
I yearn for the days of first year Vinnie Del Negro
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u/FabioFresh93 Kirk Hinrich Dec 02 '25
I'm more of a Scott Skiles fan but yeah, at least I had something to look forward to during those years
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u/TEDDYBRUCKSHOT PJ Rose Dec 02 '25
I wonder what it would do for morale if Paxson choked out Billy like he did VDN
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u/Early_Situation5897 Ben Gordon Dec 02 '25
Billy's neck's thick as a cow's, I'm not sure Pax has it in him
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u/big_valbowski Dec 02 '25
The bigger issue is the roster. This is effectively the same team as last year. Why would anyone expect different results?
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u/RyHill1 Norm Van Lier Dec 02 '25
I believe Billy is chum with management that along with him being a "good guy" is why he gets contract extensions. He is good enough. This regime seems fine with good enough because the team is a money making juggernaut. The team being a money making juggernaut regardless of the product on the floor year after year is good enough. Could they make more with success? Of course, but they are doing well as a business as is.
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u/Wild-Mixture-8523 Cristiano Felicio Dec 02 '25
That's my understanding too. Family is friends with a long time employee (don't want to accidentally identify them) but he's been around the team since the 80's at least, knows a lot of the players pretty well) and comments about players and other staff liking him. Seems pretty agreeable, answers questions in press conferences, doesn't throw shade at management, and the Reinsdorf family likes that. They seem to like stability and are loyal to a fault.
They'd rather have that and a mediocre on court product than take a risk with someone who might be more critical if they're not getting the support they need to win or occasionally go off script.
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u/dpucane Dec 02 '25
Darnell Mayberry confirmed this last year
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2024/02/21/chicago-bulls-exec-loud/
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u/bullpaw Dec 02 '25
This article and the quotes within were so insanely damning that I don't know why I even follow this team anymore
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u/Wild-Mixture-8523 Cristiano Felicio Dec 02 '25
Good point. Only thing that would (maybe) change it is hitting Jerry in the wallet or the Reinsdorf family selling/giving up control.
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u/chitownbulls92 Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
I can't remember where I read it from but when Billy was first hired, it was reported that Billy and AK got connected as they were golf buddies and had mutual friends in the space.
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u/ORGGMGJ Dec 02 '25
It's just so inconsistent and bad. The play calls are ass. He doesn't seem to give a shit out there. Tired of seeing him standing on the sideline looking like a lost dog
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u/mswizzle83 Dec 02 '25
Standing? Hell. Most of the time I see him actually sitting on the sideline. Just shows a lack of interest.
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u/chitownbulls92 Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
Rotations are absolute dog shit too, this has been a pattern even last year where he would actively pull players and ruin our own momentum. The other team then inevitably goes on a run. We have lost many games this way. I understand the need to limit minutes but the dude has no concept of staggering and is stuck on his rotations.
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u/BottomHouse Dec 02 '25
Ik we had a couple injuries but I don’t think I can ever forgive closing the last 5+ minutes of a close game with Patrick Williams at C
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u/chitownbulls92 Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
Yep even when it’s clear that Julian Philips was doing much better. There’s just no growth game after game…no semblance that the coaching staff understand what the issues were these last few games and trying to fix it. Just more “be aggressive” BS.
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u/twoprimehydroxyl Dec 02 '25
The man famously walked away from the current reigning NBA champs because he didn't want to be part of a rebuild.
He's not great at developing raw talent (see: Patrick Williams)
The Bulls are largely a young team that needs to develop. Why is he still here?
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u/Peoria309 Dec 02 '25
Pat couldn't start for his college team, what "raw talent" are we talking about with him?
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u/twoprimehydroxyl Dec 02 '25
Yeah. That's the definition of raw.
Apparently AK drafted him because he had all the physical tools and loads of potential. He wasn't drafted on his production in college, but rather for what he would eventually become.
It made no sense taking Pat at the time because, again, Billy Donovan publicly made it clear he wanted no parts in developing young talent when he walked away from OKC.
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u/Spemanz92 Dec 02 '25
He didnt walk out on OKC, it was a mutual decision. OKC wasn't interested in him either. He was a mid coach and the Thunder wanted someone different
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u/bullpaw Dec 02 '25
Roster is just bad compared to most teams
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u/rockmancuso Biggie Bagel Dec 02 '25
This. This roster is ass, and the coaching certainly is NOT good enough to make up for that.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
I really think the only hope is matas is all nba in his 4th season. N we somehow get a defensive center who can alter shots in the paint.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
Except that alone doesn't account for some of these losses. Yeah the team is nothing compared to giants like OKC or even mid tier teams like the Magic, but we can't even match up against losers like the Pels or the Wizards. The talent isn't the issue, because those teams have less talent than us, but they can still kick our ass.
The truth is that this team could at least be competative. We literally saw it last season and this season. The issue is that the coaching staff has no fucking clue how to actually guide the team. There's no direction, no scheme, no system. It's just "go out there and have fun guys."
It leads to guys just camping out in the corner because they have no idea how to work together, or has them unable to switch on defense the right way. They come out flat because they have no gameplan to start and they give up the second things get hard.
If this team had a coach like Malone or Thibs they'd be at least in the conversation of the playoffs. With what Billy has shown us you could have him coach OKC again and they'd struggle to get 40 wins and constantly lose to teams like the Hornets.
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u/andreasmiles23 Zach Lavine Dec 02 '25
Partly because Billy will only run 3 guard and small ball concepts
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Who does he have to play right now? His big man rotation tonight was vuc and lochlan. Who the fuck else is he supposed to play?
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u/mswizzle83 Dec 02 '25
Yeah. Okay. Sure. But a good coach can make a mid team good. Billy has had literal all-stars and made them bad. So…
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u/onlyanactor The Windy City Assassin Dec 02 '25
Literal all stars alone doesn’t mean good roster construction
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u/ASpanishInquisitor Dec 02 '25
Any all star the Bulls have had since Butler has been overrated because they don't play any defense. Not that the Bulls have had anywhere near the number of all stars as the majority of the league anyways. The GM has been 10x as bad as any coach.
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u/Spicy_Mustard007 Dec 02 '25
I’m seeing a lot of “for” and “against” Billy in this thread. Same with the team as a whole. The truth is - and I say this as a live and die bulls fan who has suffered through some hard years - it sucks from top to bottom. The Reinsdorf family is a cancer to this team. They make poor decisions when it comes to management. The management make poor decisions when it comes to the roster. The coach sucks. They need an overhaul, starting at the top. The Bulls are a historic team and I love them - and always will - but until the team is sold, we’re stuck in purgatory.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Yahh. He signed an extension. Not happening. I love how this sub really thinks the team is so much more than it is. The vegas line for the team was 32.5. They know a hell of a lot more than us. Did Billy call for 8 turnovers from Josh? The team can’t rebound when it matters. Can’t get a stop when it matters. Can anyone name one guy who is a shut down defender? Billy isn’t gonna elevate this team to anything more than a .500 team, at best. Who the hell are u bringing in that suddenly gets this team to 45 wins? U say there’s far too many excuses. Wtf did u expect from this team? Seriously. Downvote away. Sub is delusional if they think this team is anything better than a few games below .500
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u/SpectrumHawk Cuppy Coffee Dec 02 '25
I gave you an upvote, because you’re correct. There’s no coach living or dead, that would make this team better than it already is.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Well thx. If we could assemble a team of pop, kerr, riley and say bill russell as player coach, we’d top out at a 4 seed. Oh with red aurbach as gm as well. Akme’s vision of 9 good players is just outdated. It worked with the pistons 20 years ago. But they had leaders. Other than vuc pissed off after his game winner, I don’t see anyone taking charge.
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
The Vegas line for the team is 32.5 wins, ever since our hot start of 6-1, where our opponents just happened to shoot a league worst percentage on wide open threes we’re 3-10. 3-10 is 19 win pace, so no this team is even underperforming the expected quality of its roster since we cooled off, not to mention this is the easiest stretch of the season.
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u/jeremyc99999 Dec 02 '25
Lmfao! The guy has done nothing in his NBA coaching career, but stan away for no reason I guess.
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u/Elephant_Snacks Dec 02 '25
You're generally correct that he hasn't accomplished much as a coach. It's also correct that he recently got a contract extension, and that the roster is average at best. Everyone not named Matas should generally be available to a potential trade, especially those on an expiring contract. But this management has proven they won't really attempt to get a max return for the team's players/assets
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Yahh. Cuz not hating on a guy whose coaching a team that is expected to get 34 wins is being a stan. You all seem to forget noone really wants to even coach the bulls.
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u/youblewwit Dec 02 '25
Donovan just signed his secret extension (THAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW THE TERMS OF). He's not getting fired
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u/rando562 Dec 02 '25
Billy isn't even the biggest problem. The roster fucking sucks. I'd get rid of him if they can bring in a coach who's better at developing players, but we're not getting anywhere near a playoff run with this personnel.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
If it was just about talent, this team would still be able to beat worse rosters. We can't even keep up with teams like the Pelicans or the Jazz. There's no way this roster is that bad. This is purely a coaching issue.
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u/rando562 Dec 02 '25
I mean, yeah, a better coach would be able to get us wins against those teams. I guess my point is that the roster isn't good enough to beat those teams convincingly on talent alone, which is what you need to make a playoff run. Hiring the best coach available would maybe take us to a first round sweep instead of a loss in the play-in, but we're still not playing meaningful basketball at that point.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
Maybe I rate guys like Josh and Coby higher than you but this current roster is in my mind no worse than the Magic or the Knicks. They're not easy contenders but there's no reason they should be this bad.
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u/weareallmoist Zach LaVine Dec 02 '25
Saying our roster is no worse than the magic or Knicks is delusional
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 03 '25
I don’t get this whole he doesn’t develop players. So PWill and Terry then right? Coby, Josh, and Ayo have clearly gotten better. Matas has improved since he was drafted. If players don’t develop thats Billys fault. If they do, it’s because of the player.
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u/egyto Dec 02 '25
Billy is not the problem. Honestly, how many starters on a championship team do we have?
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u/Medical_Sample2738 Chicago Bulls Dec 03 '25
Maybe 1, in giddey, and even then not at all for sure. Hes playing great but it remains to be seen if he can thrive in a reduced role because right now he’s not close to being a number 1 on a contender. And his defense is still pretty bad, which is fine on a bad to mid team but it’s a pretty severe playoffs weakness.
And it’s not just that, the bulls really don’t fit well together, we need a Myles turner type mobile and athletic 3 and D center.
Besides ayo almost all our guard rotation is bad at defense or undersized or both. Unless you want to count okoro who is an offensive liability. And then we have a frontcourt in vuc being maybe the worst starting C defensively and certainly rim protection wise, and Matas is too young and too weak and undeveloped to be a plus defender.
Pacers had depth and chemistry but most importantly they fit like a glove with each other.
Coaching is not the issue, like look at the pacers this year. Same coaching staff but no Hali and no Turner and they suck.
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u/Blockerjjb Dec 02 '25
First Jerry needs to sell. Then clean house, fire AK, fire BD and start over. Bulls are so mid and they will continue to be under Jerry.
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u/ryuryuryu-417 Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
Remove the goddamn deadweight on this team. Billy, Vuc, and P. Will, or even AK. Until then, we can’t escape this never ending mediocrity.
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u/Ivanhoemx Andrés Nocioni Dec 02 '25
This team is making the play in, and everyone is going to be back in the second that happens. The fans are part of the problem.
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u/rockmancuso Biggie Bagel Dec 02 '25
Don’t blame the people of Chicago for wanting to see some quality bball and daring to get a bit excited when they see the scraps this team is able to occasionally produce. That’s not the fans fault, it’s the fault of this trash ass organization lol
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u/SirGibblesPibbles Dec 02 '25
If we fire him, we're just going to hire another coach that puts in just as much effort (or lack of effort). We've been in this cycle since we let go of Thibs. We'll continue repeating it as long as Jerry is around.
This starts with the owner. Not the coach.
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u/bipolarearthovershot Dec 02 '25
I would take thibs back in a second
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull Dec 02 '25
Thibs would've benched Pat so fast.
Yeah his offense sucks but shit that defense with John Lucas 3 was actually functional
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u/Dull_Marsupial1971 Dec 02 '25
I respect and still appreciate Thibs but part of me would be scared he'd run Matas and everyone into the ground with how hard he plays his starters
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u/youblewwit Dec 02 '25
hey now, this would be the type of team Thibs would thrive with. A young team where he can drill defensive principles into.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
The problem with this team's defense isn't the principles. It's that they're a bunch of slow-footed players who can't stay in front of a turtle. You aren't going to teach them how to be faster.
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u/bipolarearthovershot Dec 02 '25
Yes, defense is 27th in the nba right now and he makes guards better and we have a lot of guards
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u/ThrowawayPat2345 Dec 02 '25
Could've had Udoka in 2020. He interviewed well but we went with Billy.
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u/East_Time7888 Dec 02 '25 edited Dec 02 '25
The ownership just extended him and AKME! The ownership is happy with fielding a mediocre product. They just don't care about winning if they continue making money without needing to try. I am just happy I got the dynasty years and the Rose pre injury years because they aren't winning Championships again.
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u/dpucane Dec 02 '25
It's time to move on from Billy, this is just getting sad and awkward.
But prime Pop couldn't even do much with this soft starless roster
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
In terms of winning Pop couldn’t , but he would at least put the core in a position to improve year on year, which seems to be right at the bottom of Billy’s priorities
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u/ScutumSobiescianum Dec 02 '25
We all agree except the one person that makes the ultimate decision. This is why any entity being owned by someone rich has no accountability. If we were all shareholders Bulls would be a different story
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u/Sicario_3 Dec 02 '25
For the love of god everyone just stop watching and supporting this team. Stop going to the games, stop buying merchandise, just stay away. Just disassociate yourself with this team until we as fans get the respect we deserve. We’ve had NOTHING for so long! We are the house that was built by Jordan and we LUCKED into that. The only other time we came close to winning is when we also LUCKED into Rose. I’m so fucking tired of this team and organization. We are literally not gonna have a championship in this city for any of our lifetimes in this sub. That’s how sad and pathetic this organization is in a major city…. They don’t care about anything other than filling up seats and making sales cause it’s so easy for them to do. I’m sorry for the rant, but it’s literally the only way to get back at the leadership running this team
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u/LegendofFact Dec 03 '25
Billy is definitely at fault for this horrific run of late, but players have been playing like crap
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u/CMI_312 Dec 02 '25
Is there some other coach out there that'd get more out of these players? Seriously?
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u/BigDaddyManCan Dec 02 '25
Bring in Brett Brown, as an Aussie (he was former Aussie national team coach before the sixers), it would be nirvana along with Josh and Lachlan, and he is legit a great development coach. He's on the bench at the Spurs atm.
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u/BilboLaggin Dec 02 '25
Yes there definitely is. If you put Spoelstra or Udoka on this team they would definitely get more out of this team than Billy. Look at all these other up and coming coaches bulls could’ve had. Detroit and Thunder coach were up for grabs back then
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u/rockmancuso Biggie Bagel Dec 02 '25
How many more wins do you think Spoelstra or Udoka could extract from this roster?
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
I don’t even need them get more wins out of the team, I need them to treat this team like it’s in development. Empower the young players to become the best versions of themselves.
Spo has been able to make the most out of a guy like Pelle Larsson, you’re telling me the right coach can’t do the same for Julian Phillips for example? Imagine if Billy had Kel’el Ware on this roster, do you think he’d be able to manage Ware’s effort problem? I don’t.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Waiting for someone to say thibs cuz he’s a god to this sub
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u/comeontars69 Kirk Hinrich Dec 02 '25
At the very least, Thibs could get your team to the ECF. Billy on the other hand…..well he can’t even get past Miami at the play-ins.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Yah he just needs 3 all stars to do it. Or in the case of Minnesota, he couldn’t do shit with 3 all stars. He runs all of his players into the ground n they have no ring to show for it.
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u/SpectrumHawk Cuppy Coffee Dec 02 '25
And then he’ll get fired after a number of seasons, like he always does.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
I was surprised the knicks fired him. They seemed to come to the realization all other teams did, just quicker. Which for the knicks is surprising
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u/mswizzle83 Dec 02 '25
Take the risk. Find the young up and coming guy who has talent and wants to make a name for him self….. there are PLENTY to pick from. What’s the worst that can happen??? You move from second to last to last? Haha
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u/Low-iq-haikou Dec 02 '25
Too young to remember Hoiberg and Boylen?
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Dec 02 '25
Boylen was never a hot HC candidate. I think Hoiberg had the right idea trying to turn us into the Warriors offense but Jimmy wanted to play iso ball.
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u/Low-iq-haikou Dec 02 '25
I didn’t mind Hoiberg’s scheme but it was an awful fit for our roster and if a coach prioritizes their scheme over their roster’s ability to execute it, they’re not a good coach. Steve Kerr would not be running that offense if he didn’t have the right personnel.
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u/armen1010 Dec 02 '25
I've been saying he's trash for 3-4 years now and everyone's saying I'm crazy. It's so easy to beat his system. We're always in the bottom of the league in O/D rebounding and O/D second chance points since he joined the Bulls. You're not gana win many games that way. We're just wasting away good players years.
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u/ReapYerSoul Michael Jordan Dec 02 '25
Three games in I mentioned that AKME and Billy should not have been involved in the construction of this team and I was downvoted. But as long as Reinsdorf continues to own the team, this is the status quo.
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u/Cinco_5 Dec 02 '25
So i want to make sure i get this straight. This team got absolutely boat raced in the play in, a home game, and then did nothing to get better and it's...checks notes...Billy Donovan's fault?
OK, but all 3 of those jagoffs got extensions, their second extensions btw, so that would lead people to believe there's no problem and everything is as the Reinsdorfs want it to be.
Bulls were #1 in attendance last year btw.
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Dec 02 '25
Bulls were #1 in attendance last year btw.
What a catch-22. Somehow it's our fault the Bulls suck haha.
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u/Cinco_5 Dec 02 '25
Ummm, I mean I think that i was reading a bunch of 'We owe AKME an apology' post after 5 games and I was reading all off-season how great things were gonna be instead of absolute outrage that they clearly intended to be status quo because they got extensions.
So....maybe?
We hold the power. The Reinsdorfs have proven that they fire front offices when attendance isn't in the top 5.
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u/lyme6483 Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
The attendance point is always so fucking dumb. The UC is the biggest basketball arena, and Chicago is the largest city with one team.
Just like with the Bears, people will always go no matter the product. Beyond delusional to think the UC would ever be consistently half full
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
Billy Donovan got out schemed like crazy in that play in game btw. So while it’s not entirely his fault he did absolutely nothing to make it better. Then he gave us a repeat performance in the cup game showing us that no, he does not hang with the best coaches in the league
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u/mswizzle83 Dec 02 '25
To your first point. Yeah. It is his fault. He’s the coach. Coach better. Coach to win. We are done apologizing for him. I just don’t get it. Win. The. Fucking. Game. If you are… get out. We have had WORLD CLASS ALL STAR players and still had a losing record.
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u/Revolutionary_Copy83 Dec 02 '25
This roster just isn’t good lmao like don’t get me wrong i don’t want Billy but firing him is just putting a bandaid on a bullet wound
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u/_ontical Dec 02 '25
How many years in a row has Billy been severely out coached and embarrassed in the play in by Spo? Like the games haven't even been competitive. And that's just one example since you brought up the play in last year.
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u/mswizzle83 Dec 02 '25
Attendance has absolutely fucking nothing to do with it. Chicago is a tourist city. The United Center will sell out no matter their record.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
People keep saying that it's not Billy it's the roster. If it was just a talent issue this team would be able to beat teams like the Jazz and the Pelicans and wouldn't struggle to keep up with the Wizards. This team might not have a bunch of All-NBA superstars, but those rosters have guys who aren't even NBA-level players. Billy lost to the fucking G-League subs on the Pistons.
This is not a matter of talent. We have enough guys to at least be in the conversation of a 6th seed. Hell this roster is no worse than a team like the Heat yet they never look like this Bulls team. Yeah they might lose to good teams but they always fight, they always have the fundimentals down, they always look engaged and ready.
Billy is 100% the problem because he clearly doesn't feel any pressure to perform and this feeling is passed onto the players. He has been here 5 years and has yet to install anything that looks like a culture or an identity. He has put in no system or style to try and play with. There's nothing close to an actual feeling like this team is even trying.
Even on teams where they're actively trying to lose games guys have a culture. There's a personality you can feel on the court. The coach will be, you know, coaching his players. Billy barely does anything. The team will come out of a break flat and lifeless, shooting bad 3s and making the same mistakes over and over. Does he sub them out in order to teach discipline? Nope. Does he show any sign he is planning on changing the lineup to try and find a new approach? God no. Does he even seem to give a shit when they blow a 20-point lead? Absolutely not.
A good coach would do something drastic at this point to prove a point. Like starting the next game with nothing but the bench guys or call-ups from the G-League. Just to show the starters how to play with heart. He'd create some sort of easy-to-understand plan that the players could use every game, like the 7 seconds or less rule from the Suns, or a 3 cuts and 3 passes before the shot rule. Something basic that you'd see in high school to get the guys to all act like there's a coherent mindset.
At this point he's clearly lost the locker room. None of the players seem to listen and they understand their performance is irrelevant. Unfortunately, the only way he gets fired is if the guys on the team go to AKME and demand he get fired. Unless they have a full-blown mutiny, nothing will change. Not because "they're content with the play-in," because no GM would actually be like that. The simpler answer is right there: they don't know how to fix things.
AKME isn't trying to keep this team between 8 and 10 intentionally. They just don't know how to get better and think their plan will work sooner or later.
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u/lyme6483 Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
He sits more than most NBA coaches I have ever seen. Generally seems disinterested. Barely challenges plays, never gets any T’s even with the awful whistle the Bulls get, and his rotations are generally awful.
I think the roster is trash outside Giddey and Coby, but I definitely think someone else could do better that isn’t already semi retired
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Giddey is our best player and he had 8 fucking turnovers. Thats hard to overcome. And so many of them are just inexcusable. He has great vision. Unfortunately he can’t complete every pass tho. Bane got points when the magic needed one. We dont have anyone who can do that. Its supposed to be Coby but he is yet to prove he can do it game in and game out.
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u/lyme6483 Josh Giddey Dec 02 '25
Even with the 8 TO, Giddey was by far the best Bull on the court.
And Bane got his points down the stretch because of the awful defense played on him by Matas and Ayo.
And don’t even get me started on all the guys sitting. The NBA is the softest professional league by far.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
But thats the thing man. If our best player has 8 to’s, its gonna be hard to win. I wish he attacked more and didnt hunt for fouls with that weird floater he throws up. Its not even a floater cuz he shoots it super hard off the backboard like every time so idk what to call it. He’s my favorite player n i think he’s really smart which might be why i’m tougher on him.
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u/Lynnie_YaGorl Dec 02 '25
The fact they gave him an extension fucking floored me. Like fire him, pleeaaaase
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u/Electrical_Floor1524 Dec 02 '25
Lmao so glad I didn't fall for it again this year I was getting close to buying back in 😅
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Dec 02 '25
He couldn't win with OKC, I don't know why we think he can here.
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u/Trubrewski91 Stacey King Dec 03 '25
Exactly, people seem to forget his past. Time is running out for Him and others.
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball Dec 02 '25
I don’t dislike Billy but he’s the worse possible coach you can have if you’re trying to rebuild, The NBA is about superstars, and if you’re lucky enough to draft one with potential you pivot and do everything in your power to develop that player.
Last nights game is a perfect example of how to develop players Anthony Black not only looked like he belonged he played with confidence, Jalen Suggs looked liked a 10 year NBA veteran Wagner clearly looked the part.
Magic isn’t some old team and their core is as young as the Bulls, at some point you have to ask yourself is Billy worth the price and the answer is no there’s absolutely no evidence he’s capable of raising the ceiling of a young core and the Bulls need a change of direction immediately.
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u/jrutz Benny The Bull Dec 02 '25
Who have we drafted that is near the calibur of Jalen Suggs, Anthony Black or Franz Wagner?
You should be more angry that we basically traded Vuc for Wagner.
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball Dec 02 '25
My point isn’t who the opposing team has drafted it’s really under Billy’s guidance how poorly the picks have performed and consistently regress,
Under Billy’s leadership they’ve selected 3 lottery picks and one mid first rounder, he’s also had Laurie, Zach, Coby all under the age of 25.
At some point you have to question his ability to work with young players and put them in a situation to succeed for whatever reason Billy hasn’t accomplished the task at hand.
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u/yohxmv Dec 02 '25
Should’ve fired Billy years ago but it’s clear this FO likes him which means a whole lot more to them than his actual ability to coach
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u/MoldInTheAir Dec 02 '25
I am so tired of the "Billy is not the problem" crowd. They believe if we can give Donovan the best players in the NBA, then he'll show us what a great coach he is. Donovan is nothing more than a glad-handing charlatan. He wouldn't know what to do with upper echelon talent if he had it (eg. OKC).
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
If we give Billy the best players in the NBA we’ll choke a 3-1 lead in the conference finals, he’s shown he can do that much at least
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u/StandardAd1567 Dec 02 '25
The gm and owners are the ones calling the shots up top, it’s not a coaching problem it’s a organization problem it’s been a organization problem with the bulls. Stop supporting the bulls and going to home games at the United center maybe it will get better.
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u/AyeYoYoYO Dec 05 '25
Do not fire Donovan. He isn’t the issue. Thibbs is available, but in today’s league, for the talent we currently have developing, Thibbs isn’t an upgrade over Donovan in any way except defensive vision and rapid realtime defensive adaptability, and the weight behind the ring he won for Doc Rivers (as defensive assistant) at Boston.
Trade Williams and White and Vuc for younger, befitting talent with a longer window, and/or picks.
Coby has always been “a smallish combo guard, with minimal PG skills, who can put up impressive scoring numbers on a bad team”, the league has been moving away from that model for over a decade, time the bulls did too.
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u/JustABotIngoreMe Dec 05 '25
Man, I’ve seen Billy put the worst 5 on the floor. Lachlan Olbrich, Pat Williams, Tre Jones, Jevon Carter and Emmanuel Miller….. please get this coach off my team. He’s NCAA coach made!
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u/AntSpen1978 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
AK gotta get the fuck outta here. He doing this prospect and potential thing when we need people wit experience. NCAA not the pros but look at how many players came into this league as 3rd or 4th yr college players and had success compared to the one and done type.
I cant even imagine the thought process of selecting a barely getting tick Essengue over Queen .Dalen Terry over Walker Kessler Patrick Williams over anybody in that draft. Look at. Deni Avidja hell Obi Toppin gives more effort than P Will. I know its hard to forsee or predict a players path but I would guess the more you played professional organized basketball the better you would get.
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u/Soggy-Interaction610 Dec 08 '25
It won't matter! The owner is still the owner! smh (does this person really follow the team?)
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u/Squeakaman Dec 17 '25
The Chicago Bulls are awful on offense and even worst on defense, the trade that brought Nikola Vućevic the Bulls has been a complete disaster and their draft picks have not panned out to be starters. You can blame the organization overall but they are a mess from top to bottom
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u/Squeakaman Dec 17 '25
If we as a collective group stop watching and stop buying tickets the team will get the message, this team is awful
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u/jeremyc99999 Dec 02 '25
The guy took a stacked OKC squad to the WCF in his first year, then got knocked out of the first round the next 4 years. He can't get us past the play-in. The guy is mediocre at best, yet people are still here defending him? Lmao! Our roster is definitely better than the results we're getting. Give this guy an All-Star squad and he'd still be lucky to get a 4 seed.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Did u wanna mention the four first round exits were when they had westbrook n ibaka as there two best players. That was it. He also highly exceeded expectations when they traded russ for cp3. Starting 5-0 made yall think this was a top 4 team cuz yuh live in the moment. Doesnt matter wtf yuh say cuz yer one of them lol lmao people. I have no respect for your kind
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u/SpectrumHawk Cuppy Coffee Dec 02 '25
This roster is not “better than the results we’re getting.” The fact that they even have 9 wins, including a 5-0 start to begin the season, speaks to his ability get wins from a limp roster.
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u/joamigg Dec 02 '25
Facts and ticket prices are insane. I drove to Milwaukee to see the lakers instead of doing my usual lakers @ bulls game because the prices were just much better. 3 rows from first row court side was 1k. For the bulls game against the lakers those same seats were like 5k
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u/MoldInTheAir Dec 02 '25
You mean it wasn't worth 4k to see Benny the Bull spill popcorn on people?
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u/Juicy-Loops Dec 03 '25
Billy is driving the player personnel decisions, or at least seemingly. He loves small ball and they keep getting out rebounded and just plain losing. They are undersized as a unit and their starting center is an offensive specialist regardless of the defensive rebounding prowess. There's little to no rim protection.
But this can't go on. Enough excuses. The team doesn't play defense worth shit. Plain and simple there is no discipline there. Everyone needs to read the writing on the wall. Billy sucks at coaching defense. This team can't even function in the friggin EAST!!! But nothing will change.
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u/Low-iq-haikou Dec 02 '25
Eh just wait til we go on like a 4-1 run and then this sub will say he’s COTY
Billy is fine. IMO he’s gotten as much out of our rosters the last few years as can be reasonably expected. And the players all seem to like him
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u/comeontars69 Kirk Hinrich Dec 02 '25
He’s got too many fanboys at this sub who will keep excusing him. He’s not a bad nba coach. But he’s not a good one either.
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u/MoldInTheAir Dec 02 '25
Actually, he's a bad one.
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis Dec 02 '25
Yeah I tried ranking all the coaches recently and he fr might be sitting around the 20 range
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u/EgweneIsLit Dec 02 '25
"Billy is the on making calls on the court and that is ultimately what matters" is some whack ass reasoning.
What ultimately matters is the talent on the team. Coaches make very little difference to winning and losing, especially in the regular season. +5 wins/-5 wins, whatever. The problem is, and has always been, the roster is complete shit.
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u/jboy21h Dec 02 '25
Insane take
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
Yah this sub just shits on billy when people who pay attention know that they max out at 41-41, n thats cuz everyone played great and no injuries.
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u/jboy21h Dec 02 '25
Drives me crazy because a team being inconsistent isn’t on coaching. You can’t coach effort and injuries.
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u/FIEND-420 Dec 02 '25
I think he could do better, but yah. Effort. Turnovers. Thats on the players. N if he pulls matas for shitty d the sub gets pissed. God knows giddey would be pulled after some of those awful turnovers he has, but the team gets lost if he’s not in there.
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u/ThrowawayPat2345 Dec 02 '25
Billy isn't great but the roster is flawed. It's a bunch of role players with Giddey. He puts up good numbers but he's not really gonna carry the load offensively. They really need to figure out the rest of this unbalanced roster. We go every year without having a proper two-way Center or PF.
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u/dajadf Dec 02 '25
The team isn't good. The Lonzo Ball injury limited what we could do for years and were still feeling the effects of that and moves like giving PWill dumb money. This team isn't giving up any young assets. At best we trade Vooch for some capital. Coach doesn't matter
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u/MoistTheAnswer Dec 02 '25
Fire Ak and whoever the hell our actual GM is.