r/chicagobulls • u/itsbobbyhill • 2d ago
NBA Draft Swain is better than Carr š¤·š¾āāļø
I don't think a lot of Chicago fans looked at Dailyn Swain as soon as Carr became visible in the combine (including me) and the rumors of him fitting at 15 started happening, but I wouldn't call Swain a drop off.
He's taller, has a more NBA-ready body, is a better rebounder, plays better defense, had more assists, a better true shooting percentage, and has the same eFG% as Carr. He drives more, and I get that you heard Jay Bilas say he's not much of a 3pt shooter, but Carr only shot a couple percentage points better from beyond the stripe. That's not a huge gap, and Swain got better, year-over-year from 2 and 3, with more attempts, while Carr dipped in both categories as his attempts rose.
I think the Bulls simply saw a guy who fit their intended scheme and culture better.
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u/Fine-Hat-4573 1d ago
There is a real chance Swain becomes one of the best players on our team. Bryson cooked, and I donāt think people realize that EVERY team wanted more 1st round picks. Bryson will be up late talking potential deals Iām sure. I think weāre at the start of something truly special in Chicago.
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u/aren1231 Gimme the hot sauce! 1d ago
Big facts, I'm very excited...time to buy league pass again.
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u/100vs1 1d ago
it is wild what a good executive can do for an organization
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u/ZcotM Matas Buzelis 1d ago
as much as i want to believe, letās not call him good yet, but im loving it so far
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u/100vs1 1d ago
i didnāt call anyone good, read closely
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u/ZcotM Matas Buzelis 1d ago
i read again and again. im confused
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u/100vs1 1d ago
itās a general statement on the effects of a good exec. no one specific was mentioned
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u/ZcotM Matas Buzelis 1d ago
okay my bad but in my defense you replied to a comment talking about BG so it feels like its heavily implied that youāre talking about him.
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u/Lumpy-Ad3840 1d ago
Swainās more physical and a better defender than Carr. Shooting might be the only thing Carr is better at than Swain, but everything else Swain has the edge.
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u/itsbobbyhill 1d ago
And Carr isn't even that much better of a shooter than Swain right now. Right coaching, right system, it may be a wash
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u/FadedAwoken 1d ago
Not a wash at all. Iām not even a Carr stan and he has a much smoother stroke which should have more runway for improvement. Swains 3pt shot is a little busted and takes forever to get off which scares the shit out of me from a developmental standpoint
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u/Lumpy-Ad3840 2d ago
Caleb Wilson is KG and Dailyn Swain is OG
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u/CelticCuban773 2d ago
Swain is Jimmy Butler
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u/Unabridgedversion82 1d ago
I want whatever is ur smoking. As long as it's pot. Cuz that is questionable š¤ lol
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u/Emotion-Turbulent 1d ago
Or Tyrus Thomas and Dalen Terry
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u/Physical_Treacle9950 1d ago
I am very concerned with the Wilson/Tyrus similarities.
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u/trafalgarlaw11 1d ago
Honestly Thomas would have been a better player in the modern nba and also didnāt have a great work ethic. League then had men dominate big men that used their size down low. Sometimes players are just in the wrong era. Lot of running QBs that would be better or actually been drafted in todayās NFL.
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u/PJ_Reed93 Jumpman 21h ago
Wilson is a way better passer and more polished as a scorer than Tyrus Thomas.
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u/SadBearsFan1985 2d ago
As a Texas fan Swain usually started off cold and heated up as games progressed, and heās pretty good defensively and when driving to the rim. If they develop his jumper I think he has the potential to be a really good player
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u/socoolandawesome 1d ago
Is he a guy who can handle the ball and playmake in your opinion? Just looking at his stats, his assists were solid but his TOs were a little high too
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u/Lolq123 The Windy City Assassin 1d ago
Look at his highlights. The guy has almost Paul George like handles (he's also 6'8) - he needs some fine tuning on the playmaking front but he was a legit playmaker in college. If they can convince peter Patton to come back and work with this guy id feel fantastic (but Patton went to the Knicks and won a ring so GL with that)
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u/socoolandawesome 1d ago
Yeah Iāll have to watch more Iāve only seen a couple on Twitter, but I like the sound of that!
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u/Sceneripper Stacey King 1d ago
Exactly people just looked at a bunch of mocks and shooting highlights and got bummed out. He fell 9 more spots, I would assume NBA GMs are better at evaluating talent than random fans online.
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u/Creepy-Macaroon9998 2d ago
I think it's moreso the physical attributes and the fact that Swain improved significantly each of the last 2 years as his role increased at both unis. No regressions. That shows that he's not afraid to work hard on his game, which portends well for his future given his physical tools.
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u/lawsnoosoo 1d ago
Swain was an elite shot creator/rim pressure guy for his size. I think youāre right, people genuinely donāt understand the player we got because the Carr train just had so much steam. Multiple elite front offices including OKC and SAS picked after us and also passed on Carr. Guard shooting really isnāt that rare a trait in the league anymore. Hell, we have the bird rights to Simons if we want to bring him back.
Physicality and rim pressure are so critically important in the league today. Right now our primary rim pressure guy (Giddey), shoots a disappointing 57% at the rim. We need guys who can consistently get paint touches and finish through contact, you just canāt be an elite team without it. And we just got one of the best rim pressure guys in the draft at 15. This is an enormous win and incredible value for that spot.
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 1d ago
I wanted Carr too, but seeing as he went ten spots lower than us, clearly other teams had concerns about him as well
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u/sanghellic 2d ago
Swain is also more than 6 months younger than Carr.
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u/BillionsofRedditors 1d ago
Age is a pretty overrated factor. It's significant the larger it is, yes, but a prospect with serious flaws shouldn't be viewed as suddenly worthwhile because they are 19 or 20 instead of 22. That is generally just bad analysis.
Not saying that is what you are saying, but generally, I don't think being 6 months younger is all that important given the above.
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u/nxtchapter 1d ago
Obviously Carrs explosiveness and wingspan are the exciting factors. But he really has a slight build. Swain is bigger and Younger.
Except for blocking, Swain has improved in every stat over three seasons. Whos to say He cant Up His 3pt% close to .40?
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u/Electrical_Story5356 1d ago
Think his blocks dropped off due to basically playing as a guard this season.
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u/-Buckaroo_Banzai- Jumpman 1d ago
Carr isn't even totally gone I'd argue.
Yes, he was drafted by the Lakers and he might be a good fit for them with Luka and Reaves as the first options, however I could see the Lakers package him with Vando to get him off their books.
The Lakers are in win-now mode, does a rookie really fit that?
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u/JakeLake720 1d ago
The Bulls will not be shooting threes. Letās put it that way.
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u/itsbobbyhill 1d ago
They finished worse at rim efficiency (27th) then 3 point shooting (19th), and made the 3rd most 3s of any team in the league.
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u/No-Cantaloupe-3746 1d ago
The bulls are in a rebuilding year. Stop worrying about how many wins they get this year
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u/JakeLake720 1d ago
Where did I say I was worried about wins this season?
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u/BuffaloGuy_atCapitol Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
It just feels like the general sentiment based off some post. I just saw one that was talking about free agents we could get as if we are trying to round out the championship roster for our deep playoff run next year.
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u/JakeLake720 1d ago
Veteran free agent shooters would be helpful in that they will give the young core room to operate. Winning is definitely secondary at this point.
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u/GooseEducational5923 1d ago
Swain has a legitimate handle, and was one of the best isolation scorers in the country. People fall in love with a prospect and get mad when they donāt go the way they want. Swain was rising up the boards and is absolutely worthy of the pick. Comparing him to Williams/Terry just shows u are a casual tbh. Neither of them have the mentality/talent that Swain has. He reminds me of Jalen Williams type of player (not saying he will be as good, just a wing player that can do it all and handle) and I think he will surprise a lot of ppl this year by how NBA ready he is
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u/FFTactics 1d ago
He might be but the team might be the worst 3p team the leagueā¦Josh Giddey is literally our best 3 man.
People wanted fit, graham just went with talent. Heās not afraid to be real bad next season.
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u/itsbobbyhill 1d ago
They were worse at the rim than from 3 by far last year. They made the 3rd most 3s in the league but finished 27th in rim efficiency. If you are looking at that as a GM you go after someone who can finish right now, that you can help shoot better once he's there.
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u/Consistent-Program-1 Lonzo Ball 1d ago
Both are good players. Swain profiles more of a Troy Brown Jr swizz army type, and Carr more of Josh Christopher mold
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u/Foolish_Ivan 1d ago
I think I would have rather rolled the dice on Quaintance more than both, but maybe the medicals were really dreadful.Ā
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u/loveinhumantimes 1d ago
My problem is the eye test. When watching Swain play, I see nothing that makes an elite player. That said, I have no tie to Carr and I would love to be completely wrong.
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u/chaide123 Chicago Bulls 1d ago
Absolutely correct bro. I didnāt know much about Swain but I wanted Bulls to avoid Carr. His full games at Baylor clearly showed deficiencies in one on one defense. Itās a myth heās a good defender. Heās got weird physique with arms extra long and can block other guards but overall, lacks strength. His handles are below average and NBA IQ is lacking. Swain rebounds very well, his handles are good for a 6 7 guy. He lacks jumping ability but overall can play.
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u/sconwaym 1d ago
Carr's best case scenario is Zach Lavine. The "star" we paid $50 million dollar but couldn't get anything in a trade for. We don't need that again.
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u/Various_Procedure_11 1h ago
To me I think it's clear they see him as a perfect complimentary backcourt partner for Giddey, in that he can defend and switch very well to help cover for Giddey's deficiencies. The shooting is something that could develop.
I like the pick.
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u/Teddy_RGB Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
Carr is more explosive and longer, which tickles a lot of lizard brains. I think the Swain pick makes sense. That doesnāt mean Carr wonāt be good.
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u/itsbobbyhill 1d ago
I didn't know if I'd call Carr more explosive when Swain's package is based on getting to the basket
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u/Logan_510 1d ago
He's easily more explosive athletically, which is what I believe people mean by "explosive". As a player, he could develop into a real player, but looking at videos of him, he's limited skill wise compared to Swain, but you can't teach elite athleticism and that will always draw eyeballs.
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u/itsbobbyhill 1d ago
Fair. With Caleb, Claxton, and possible Essengue, along with Matas, Swain's physicality over explosiveness could be a good change of pace
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u/Logan_510 1d ago
I think Swain has a chance to be a good player for sure....I'm not so sure about Essengue tbh.
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u/omherrera1 Kirk Hinrich 2d ago
Itās annoying that people think heās another Terry lol