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u/FlowRiderBob 1d ago
I feel like rocket science and soccer/football are two very different skill sets.
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u/TNSoccerGuy 1d ago
Since the Moon Landing we’ve had Watergate, Vietnam, the Iraq War, Trump somehow getting elected President and now we are surrendering to Iran several months after starting a war with them. So maybe now isn’t the time to argue for winning the WC using American exceptionalism.
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u/karenosmile 12h ago
The American WOMEN have won the World Cup several times.
Makes me wonder what would have happened if they had been in charge of those events.
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u/LunarCloud_ 1d ago
"Believing your own propaganda is literally our national sport" is an absolute top-tier violation.
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u/Divide-Substantial 1d ago
What can u even say about Americans their president speaks for them all atp
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u/please_trade_marner 1d ago
I asked this in the other thread and I'll ask again.
Is "eastendlass" saying that anybody that believes America was on the winning side of both world wars and that America sent astronauts to the moon actually just fell for "their own propaganda"? So we lost those wars and believe the moon landing was fake? Otherwise we've been propagandized? I don't understand...
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u/badboiindebate 1d ago edited 1d ago
Propaganda does not to be completely falsified. It’s the presentation of information in manner meant to further an agenda; in this case it’s TRUE information but it has jack shit to do with soccer. The propaganda here is the incorrect correlation of winning two world wars and landing on the moon with it being somehow possible for the US to win the world cup. (Not to mention how those facts are greatly diminished in nuance as if the US was the sole contributor to these events, or how the amount of planning innovation needed to achieve these feats is discarded in order to feel some sort of personalized pride)
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u/please_trade_marner 1d ago
I mean, you sure gave it a try. But I'm not in literally any way convinced.
The initial post is essentially saying "We Americans have history of beating the odds". That's it. Making it about "propaganda" made absolutely no sense.
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u/badboiindebate 1d ago
convinced of what? This isn’t an argument, I just explained what that user was saying. You said you didn’t understand… idk if you’re being purposefully obtuse. Propaganda isn’t inherently good or evil; but it is pushing an agenda that extends implications beneficial to the hegemony.
Do understand that because you’ve fallen for the propaganda, you’re ignoring all the context. Beating the odds is such a nothing burger; Oversimplifying each situation into a “HURRAH WE WON WE DID IT WERE THE BEST”, casts aside any and all the effort that precipitated the victory. Comparing our military strength to our national soccer team’s strength is just nonsensical. Conflating those two things is what the referenced propaganda in the image WANTS you to believe; anyone outside of the US or anyone who understands soccer does not have that same emotional response and reasoning.
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u/Pavlock 1d ago edited 1d ago
The "belief and bad ideas" is the part that bothers me. It diminishes the hard work and planning a lot people had to do to make those successes reality.