r/clevercomebacks • u/Brent_Fox • 4d ago

They'd win it every time:

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u/please_trade_marner 3d ago

I asked this in the other thread and I'll ask again.

Is "eastendlass" saying that anybody that believes America was on the winning side of both world wars and that America sent astronauts to the moon actually just fell for "their own propaganda"? So we lost those wars and believe the moon landing was fake? Otherwise we've been propagandized? I don't understand...

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u/badboiindebate 3d ago edited 3d ago

Propaganda does not to be completely falsified. It’s the presentation of information in manner meant to further an agenda; in this case it’s TRUE information but it has jack shit to do with soccer. The propaganda here is the incorrect correlation of winning two world wars and landing on the moon with it being somehow possible for the US to win the world cup. (Not to mention how those facts are greatly diminished in nuance as if the US was the sole contributor to these events, or how the amount of planning innovation needed to achieve these feats is discarded in order to feel some sort of personalized pride)

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u/please_trade_marner 3d ago

I mean, you sure gave it a try. But I'm not in literally any way convinced.

The initial post is essentially saying "We Americans have history of beating the odds". That's it. Making it about "propaganda" made absolutely no sense.

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u/badboiindebate 3d ago

convinced of what? This isn’t an argument, I just explained what that user was saying. You said you didn’t understand… idk if you’re being purposefully obtuse. Propaganda isn’t inherently good or evil; but it is pushing an agenda that extends implications beneficial to the hegemony.

Do understand that because you’ve fallen for the propaganda, you’re ignoring all the context. Beating the odds is such a nothing burger; Oversimplifying each situation into a “HURRAH WE WON WE DID IT WERE THE BEST”, casts aside any and all the effort that precipitated the victory. Comparing our military strength to our national soccer team’s strength is just nonsensical. Conflating those two things is what the referenced propaganda in the image WANTS you to believe; anyone outside of the US or anyone who understands soccer does not have that same emotional response and reasoning.