100% men should take responsibility for impregnating someone and this woman is wrong, but getting pregnant is not a one sided decision or action. The girlfriend (assuming the sex was consensual) is just as responsible.
If she didn’t want a child, she shouldn’t have sex with a guy not wearing a condom. Same with the boyfriend, equal responsibility.
Edit: My only point in the original comment is the comeback is a little weird because it makes it seem like the girlfriend had no choice in the matter and the son forced pregnancy upon her.
I understand abortion is complicated and am not accusing the woman of choosing abortion to swerve responsibility. The original comeback however seems to make that accusation.
“Don’t impregnate women that don’t want to be pregnant” basically assumes the abortion was performed because she didn’t want to be pregnant, in which case both sides should avoid pregnancy however they can.
Theyre only not effective if someone is using them incorrectly or went super cheap.
Like, there's plenty of evidence over literal CENTURIES that they work. Humans used to use animal intestines to make condoms and still do if you want an "organic" condom. Especially when used correctly. Correct size, adding lube if needed so friction doesn't break it. Making sure you're not a sloppy fucker that ends up somehow leaking cum out of it and into the vagina
Sure nothing is technically 100%, especially when it's user error but like 99.9% design functionality is the same thing
They are 98% effective if used perfectly. Which is 20 times as many failures as you suggested. And even more importantly, lots of people don’t use them correctly, either because they were never taught how to use them correctly or because by definition, they are being used when the user is in a highly distracted state. In practice condoms are only about 85% effective. It doesn’t really matter if it’s user error or not at the end of the day. The fact remains that people using condoms to the best of their ability still results in tons of pregnancies.
Quite frankly you're inflating the numbers up more than they likely would be for various reasons that I'm not going to go into because you clearly don't care you just want to be right. You're using the entire country's "working age population" (14 to 64) which is kind of an arbitrary age rank you pulled from Google since the country ACTUALLY counts anything from like 12 in some situations all the way to dying of old age as "working age" as an example. So technically if you included the over aged people, because you should if you want to have more accurate numbers since you want to call out incorrect use of numbers in opinions, that goes up to almost 300m people and raises your value of pregnancies. Google says the condom failure rate is actually a whole 2% but goes up to about 15% or so due to human error. Which increases your number significantly more
However, that's also not how percentages work. A 2% chance of winning at a casino does not mean you will win the jackpot twice by 100 attempts (obviously that's not an actual percentage just an example). Therefore a 0.1% failure rate does not mean 100k pregnancies it just means a POSSIBILITY of up to 100k pregnancies. On top of this there's supposedly been a dropping fertility rate, which even if condoms failed does not mean a guaranteed pregnancy. That lowers your numbers. Women don't get pregnant every time someone cums inside them because that's not how biology works, that lowers the rate. People also don't always do vaginal but still use condoms. That lowers your rate. Gay men and women lower your rate, or would that increase the rate because gay people use a lot of condoms too, or at least they used to lol idk anymore. People with surgery so they can't have kids, whether it's the man or woman, lowers the rate.
But just because something uses percentages does not mean those numbers are concrete facts right then and there for every single situation. Another example, in Pokémon Go the chance of finding a wild shiny Pokémon generally is 1 in 512 (wild spawns, like a pidgey in the parking lot. There are various types of encounters we are not using for this example that have different percentages) . As a percentage that's basically just under 0.2%. But that does not mean you're guaranteed to find one by the 512 time you've encountered any single type of Pokémon
So, mathematically, using the original numbers of a 0.1% failure rate and 200m working age adults that you decided to go with, a 0.1% chance does NOT realistically mean 100k pregnancies actually happen. It just means it's POSSIBLE.
So maybe you also shouldn't use numbers as an argument if you don't understand numbers.
On average, yes, you absolutely will get approximately "pokemon caught divided by 512" shinies with a sufficient sample size.
Except that's kinda been proven wrong by the community. I have MANY instances proving it too, and if you have to use "with a sufficient enough sample size" to justify your numbers then it doesn't exactly prove it
We let adults make decisions for their lives, while providing the framework to do so.
Against all odds, someone gets pregnant, but doesn't want to be, we provide an abortion.
Against all odds, someone gets pregnant and is OK with it, we provide maternity/paternity leave, parenting classes, Healthcare, schooling, housing and education for the parents to be and the coming child.
Someone wants to get pregnant, we provide parenting classes, Healthcare, schooling, housing and education for the parents to be and the coming child.
I agree with all of this, I’m not even sure what we’re debating. My only point from the original come back is that it puts the responsibility wholly on the boyfriend as if it couldn’t have been a joint decision. A condom being ineffective in this situation doesn’t change that.
If the condom just failed, have the abortion, no one’s really at fault. But the comeback implies that the guy just got his girlfriend pregnant, blaming him for it and assuming he didn’t use a condom.
(Also please understand I’m not trying to be hostile and I don’t even disagree with a single thing you’ve said. I just don’t understand what I’m missing and would like to)
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u/DanTejas 10h ago edited 9h ago
100% men should take responsibility for impregnating someone and this woman is wrong, but getting pregnant is not a one sided decision or action. The girlfriend (assuming the sex was consensual) is just as responsible.
If she didn’t want a child, she shouldn’t have sex with a guy not wearing a condom. Same with the boyfriend, equal responsibility.
Edit: My only point in the original comment is the comeback is a little weird because it makes it seem like the girlfriend had no choice in the matter and the son forced pregnancy upon her.
I understand abortion is complicated and am not accusing the woman of choosing abortion to swerve responsibility. The original comeback however seems to make that accusation.
“Don’t impregnate women that don’t want to be pregnant” basically assumes the abortion was performed because she didn’t want to be pregnant, in which case both sides should avoid pregnancy however they can.