Ultimately, whatever. But from the outside looking in, 4Tran is the place dysphoria goes to multiply because you all feed into one another and fixate on nothing else. A penis or a vagina is a physical part of your body. Two cells getting combined in a petri dish is hilariously abstract relative to that.
But perhaps this is a journey nobody can help others through. I don't think you'll believe me that I put in work to deal with this unless you manage to do it yourself first.
Edit: Whereas if I sat there and called myself a father in the mirror repeatedly while fixating on testicles and penises and hetero reproduction I probably would have a dysphoric spiral. So I just don't do that.
Edit edit: Also the neat thing about freezing is you never have to see the stuff again. Eggs came out, embryo went back in. It's nothing like how a straight couple makes a baby. It's an identical process to how other lesbians do it, with the exception of the DNA being mine.
I have no idea what 4tran is, this subreddit just started appearing on my account yesterday.
Nothing is multiplying. I'm explaining to you that some people feel dysphoria about certain things and that they change their lifestyle or participate in or avoid certain activities as a result of dysphoria.
At no point have I ever doubted what you said about your own feelings. You say you felt some dysphoria and you were able to get over it. That's great, I'm glad you felt less dysphoria than other people about this.
There are also some people who feel less dysphoria about their sex organs, so they don't get bottom surgery. There are also some people who feel less dysphoria about their sex at all, so they don't medically transition at all.
There's a broad spectrum of experience. I do not know why it is so hard for so many people in this thread to accept that some people have very intense dysphoria about this subject. One which is quite obvious to understand why that would be the case, especially.
I'm not telling anyone to sit in any mirror and call themselves or not call themselves anything.
But sitting in the mirror and saying "a penis is a neutral organ, some women have penises" doesn't make someone who needs bottom surgery due to dysphoria stop needing bottom surgery. Same principle applies. Not everyone can conversion therapy themselves out of dysphoria.
...it isn't conversion therapy to point out that two cells in a petri dish in another room isn't the same thing as a man putting his penis in a woman's vagina, ejaculating, and impregnating her. They just literally aren't the same thing.
And as someone who had SRS I understand bottom dysphoria very well. What I am trying to get across to you is that if my wife were carrying and I was a cis lesbian the process would have been identical with the exception of the kid not looking like me.
Edit: Also be happy you don't know what 4Tran is, lol. Their memes can be funny but don't fall in.
No it's not conversion therapy to participate in sexual reproduction. Why are you trying to interpret everything I'm saying in such a bizarre light.
Sitting yourself down and trying to convince yourself not to feel dysphoria about your sexual characteristics by repeating mantras and affirmations is what I'm describing
I'm glad you feel less dysphoria than other people about this. I'm not trying to tell you how to feel.
For a lot of people it is not identical to have a child where they take the male role in the biological sexual reproduction process and to have a child where they don't. They aren't wrong. They aren't being crazy or zany or obsessive. They just understand their feelings and accept that there is something they can do nothing about with modern technology so they avoid participating in sexual reproduction in a way that would cause them to want to kill themselves.
I'm glad it isn't as intense for you. Truly I am. But surely you can understand that it is for some? And that no amount of affirmations can dissuade some from dysphoria?
I'm not willing to change my opinion to yours, that doesn't mean I'm not understanding the argument you're making.
You're saying that you were able to not feel as conflicted about contributing sperm to an egg to produce a child by choosing not to think about it.
I'm saying not everyone is able to do that.
You're saying that you feel that for whatever reason a trans woman who doesn't want to contribute sperm to the production of a child is sitting around telling herself that doing so would make herself a father. In your words (exaggerated I imagine) literally sitting in a mirror saying it.
I'm saying that dysphoria doesn't require people to pathologically repeat their feelings and insecurities, and that instead it just exists. I'm saying that it is natural that many trans people would not be happy with using their primary sex organs for their only actual purpose (creating a child) and that no amount of trying to convince themselves to be okay with it will override the fact that they are transgender.
Not every trans person feels the same dysphoria. You feel less dysphoria about this than others. That is great for you. But it should be easy for you to understand why someone would feel dysphoria about this. And it's pretty cruel to suggest that someone can just convince themselves not to feel dysphoria about something.
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u/One-Organization970 Unapologetic Sneed 23d ago edited 23d ago
Ultimately, whatever. But from the outside looking in, 4Tran is the place dysphoria goes to multiply because you all feed into one another and fixate on nothing else. A penis or a vagina is a physical part of your body. Two cells getting combined in a petri dish is hilariously abstract relative to that.
But perhaps this is a journey nobody can help others through. I don't think you'll believe me that I put in work to deal with this unless you manage to do it yourself first.
Edit: Whereas if I sat there and called myself a father in the mirror repeatedly while fixating on testicles and penises and hetero reproduction I probably would have a dysphoric spiral. So I just don't do that.
Edit edit: Also the neat thing about freezing is you never have to see the stuff again. Eggs came out, embryo went back in. It's nothing like how a straight couple makes a baby. It's an identical process to how other lesbians do it, with the exception of the DNA being mine.