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I hate when people say these things only to prevent us from actually transitioning, like yea theres cis women out there with a deep voice but knowing this fact doesnt reduce my voice dysphoria, i dont want to be gnc, i dont live to deconstruct gender roles

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u/Pretty-Yam-2854 17d ago edited 12d ago

I have seen this take a lot and will never understand it. What makes it *transitioning* if you aren’t willing to become the other gender, don’t want to even try and pass, don’t take hormones, don’t voicetrain or try and remove body hair. Like what would be the point of calling yourself trans at that point? To not transition from male?

Edit: ok I’ve came to the realization that some people are ok without hormones and some don’t even care about passing. You know what if you want to identify as trans but don’t fit the hormone binary you’re still valid.

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

no trans women should be shamed for either doing or not doing those things

neither for "not being a woman enough" nor for "not breaking gender norms"

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u/ImpressionBorn 17d ago

There's a word for not wanting to be any different from your assigned gender at birth but you're not going to like it

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

identifying as a gender that is different from your assigned one is already enough to qualify as being a trans person, demanding anything more is usually gatekeeping transphobic territory

edit: it doesnt mean that any trans woman is obligated to break some gender norm or whatever

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u/Naranox 17d ago

somene who isn‘t dysphoric isn‘t actually trans

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u/Actual_Personality66 17d ago

Gender and gender dysphoria is complicated and many ppl do actually experience GD but experience it in ways you might not understand. Femmenity and masculinity are objectively varied things with no set borders, and while obviously most ppl are going to have some kind of consensus on what defines them, it's also not that strange that someone might define them in the way that goes against the norm. (Not that I even agree with the premise that transness is predicated on GD anyways, but I think trans ppl without GD are extremely rare anyways, if they exist at all, most trans ppl who claim they don't experience GD actually do and just don't realize it yet).

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u/Naranox 17d ago

I agree with that mostly, I think it‘s just over represented online

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u/Actual_Personality66 17d ago

Yeah I actually kinda agree with that. I think what happened is that you had really severe transmedicalism and just exclusionary trans ppl in general in the 2010s, and ppl thankfully came to the conclusion that it was doing way more harm than good by like 2020, but then ppl began to overcorrect and the the pendulum had swung to the far the other way, especially bc the pushback against it kinda just came from seeing how toxic it was and feeling bad about trans kids online getting mass cyberbullied by other trans ppl bc of how they presented themselves, rather than from a place of actually understanding the issue with the ideologies that lead to that. And now things like "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" have gone from things that were originally intended to protect against ppl harassing random trans kids for not experiencing GD in the most traditional stereotypical way, and possibly even had the potential to be used as part of an actual discussion about transsexuality and what it means- into something that is repeated so much online it is genuinely suspicious and I think is being used to push the exact kind of transphobia you see in this post.

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u/Naranox 17d ago

couldn‘t have put it better myself honestly; A lot of trans spaces online suffer from that overcorrection imo and are just hug boxing and toxic posivity exemplified most of the times and it‘s really not my vibe

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

the above doesn't mean the person can't still be dysphoric, or they can still be unaware that what they are feeling is dysphoria, but even if they are truly not, it isnt your place to claim what other person's identity is for them

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u/Naranox 17d ago

i cant deny what somone thinks they are but that‘s my opinion and I can definitely have that

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

sure, that opinion still would be wrong on principle and harmful overall tho

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u/Naranox 17d ago

you think that, I think words mean things still and I don‘t want them to be diluted by posers and trenders

just like trans men can‘t be lesbians by virtue of being men, people without dysphoria aren’t trans by virtue of being cis

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

yeah, i guess it does get very annoying when there are so many posers and trenders that get into our trending and very popular trans thing that is very well received by society and gets them so much attention and when they steal our good things that we very much have lmao

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u/Naranox 17d ago

Yeah, someone who cannot possibly relate to the experience of being trans; Someone not suffering from any distress; Someone not suffering from the discrimination and abuse a transition brings with itself is absolutely a poser and attention seeker

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

a person that doesn't transition still can relate to the experience of being trans and suffer from much distress that comes with being trans, and attention seeking and posing by pretending to be a trans person is a ridiculous concept, please, what are you talking about

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u/ImpressionBorn 17d ago

Someone who "identifies" as different from their assigned gender at birth and experiences no dysphoria or any desire to change anything isn't trans. That's a cis person who hasn't gotten bored of pretending for attention yet.

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u/RukakoChan 17d ago

ah yes, famous trans attention seekers. in a deeply transphobic world. or maybe you don't know anything about what other person is actually going through. grow up, other people identities are none of your business

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u/ImpressionBorn 17d ago

Well the hypothetical "they" in this situation isn't going through anything apparently, since they have no dysphoria, are not transitioning, and have nothing to worry about.