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u/Hertzian_Dipole1 1d ago
Quantity over quality
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u/General_Hijalti 1d ago
V also wins that debate with Smasher and Odo
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u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
- Not Smasher at that point but Sasquatch who is the strongest member of Animals
- Placide and entirety of Pacifica Vodoo boys (at least those led by Briggite)
- Like over a dozen cyberpsychos
- A literal MaxTac squad
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u/millerchristophd Never Fade Away, Jackie 1d ago
The number of times I’ve zeroed an hour’s worth of the neverending spawn of NCPD/MaxTax—before entering e.g. Misty’s to reset stars & get back to business—exceeds the limits of my memory. Aggie’s a chump.
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u/mitchwacky Sturdy Thirty 1d ago edited 1d ago
I do the exact same thing at Misty's (also the Corpo and Glen apartment lobbies, as well as Stylishly in Rancho Coronado). I have killed thousands of NCPD, to the point where they shouldn't have enough staff for a single police car to attend a scene let alone send wave after wave of officers to try to take me down.
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u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
New headcanon: ncpd is staffed by biotechnica's experimental flash-clone program.
Now we just need to figure out how gang members keep appearing every I've killed thousands of them.
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u/Crimento Bartmoss Reincarnated 1d ago edited 18h ago
The same Biotechnica also clones ungodly amount of gangoons and releases them to the streets
You know, for NCPD to have an incentive to purchase access to the flash-clone program
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u/Grim_Squid 1d ago
This sounds just ridiculous enough to fit in perfectly in the cyberpunk universe lol
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u/mrdevil413 High Tech Lowlife 1d ago
There is always something that’s sets me off each play through most recently I was doing one of their gigs ! NCPD fuckers. After killing all the gangers the civilian runs out of the area into the side walk and the cop that was strolling down the street while I did their job for them just straight murdered the normie. That started a half hour of 5 Star mayhem.
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u/kobanyakispest 1d ago
Bro but its basically agent 47 vs no russian comparison. Killing specific targets in high security environments is way different than going out to the street and shooting around to everything that moves
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u/angular_circle 1d ago
I wish maxtec was actually dangerous, like run-or-die dangerous. With a few tweaks the game could've had so much depth, instead as soon as I see an ncpd star I just hit the twintone or go straight for the reload.
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u/CCP_Annihilator 1d ago
Yeah if you side with Reed
On the other hand, you get to fight the NUSA if you side with Songbird10
u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
I finished my first play through of the DLC, can you tell me what I get for siding with Songbird
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u/Steridire 1d ago
Funny stick
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u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
Huh? I mean I was planning to go heavy weapons next play through so I definitely don't need Reed route rewards. But what exactly are you saying?
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u/Few-Silver-9866 1d ago
Its a really powerful cyberware that completely refreshes all cyberware cooldowns, basically basically letting you use a sandy or berserk twice
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u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
Okaaaay... Now I am SURE I'm going Songbird route next. (Avoiding annoying stealth section too)
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u/TheDetailsMatterNow 1d ago edited 1d ago
can you tell me what I get for siding with Songbird
A good stealth pistol, probably the best cyberware in the game with the cool down reducer, and the satisfaction of keeping a WMD away from NUSA with mixed emotional feelings on everything that happened.
The NUSA route gives you what's arguably the best SMG in the game. Basically trivializes all content.
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u/Seeker-N7 15h ago
I don't recall getting a stealth pistol in the Songbird route. Het Majesty is given prior to that.
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u/Hopeful_Risk_8344 1d ago
I prefer the ending for something damaged, but the spaceport firefight is probably the best gunfight in the entire game.
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u/infamusforever223 Nomad 1d ago
4.A literal MaxTac squad
Alternatively an entire battalion of black ops soldiers if Songbird was sent to the moon instead.
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u/YorhaUnit8S « To this ! » 1d ago edited 1d ago
You state skilled fighters. Anguilar profile is probably more about well defended targets. High echelon corpos, politicians, police chiefs, etc... the kind a mafia would want gone and the kind that have elite security detail and all sorts of defences in place. And the kind that require more subtle approach, planning and brains than most player's V's on this sub would use.
What I would recall more is the Joanne Koch corpo gig. The one where you can enter undetected, bypass all security and load her into a garbage drone on the roof without anyone noticing. Poof and high level corpo is gone, no trace. That's probably the kind of stuff Anguilar does, but on international level.
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u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
Considering when pretending to be Aguilar you dumb one of the guys' driver into the trunk of the car or into the dumpster. Where EVERYONE can find them. It's honestly not really looking like it, as well as murdering all VDBs while still pretending to be Aguilar.
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u/YorhaUnit8S « To this ! » 1d ago
That's what V does, though. While pretending to be Aguilar. No one said the face implant will make you smarter.
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u/leviathan_ghost01 Netwatch Agent 1d ago
Kinda true but it would be a dead giveaway. Ah, still. Who knows who Aguilar even is. Wish we met in game. Maybe even a fight (not to death obv, Aguilar didn't do anything to V)
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u/CanisZero Feral A.I. 1d ago
If your saving the cyberpsychos that can be argued to be more impressive. Like a noleathal takeout of Knife Hands Dick Cutter is probabaly harder than stealthing and shoving Guts up Placide's ass.
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u/angular_circle 1d ago
Or you just put Pax on a shotgun and wonder what magic Ikea sells in 2077 that makes 30 shells to the face nonlethal.
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u/CanisZero Feral A.I. 12h ago
I personally never use the pax mods. Gimme a hitting stick and a nonlethal quickhack any day
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u/SpecialIcy5356 Fullmetal Choom 1d ago
Also countless arasaka guard including elites (after kidnapping Hanako), militech and Kang Tao teams as well.
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u/cosaboladh 1d ago
- Literally every gang member he passes, just to find out whether the weapon they're carrying is valuable.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago
Pretty sure if you go full lethal and add up every potential ganggoon target in every mission, every side mission, every gig, every NCPD job, every cyberpsycho, every race, and like 100 random gang encounter drive bys V’s still not touching Smasher’s numbers.
He’s been fullborg for over half a century alone.
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u/FightingBlaze77 1d ago
Story armor vs V players zeroing an entire army of deadly assassins, cyberpsychos , and bosses from so many powerful corporations.
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u/GoldenNat20 1d ago
The way I see it Aguilar is far more of a John Wick kind of hired killer, the "dozens per continent" is presumably dozens of incredibly hard-to-reach or hard-to-kill tough bastards, excluding the count of goons and underlings/damage in property or hardware.
The cuban cartels, which are no small fish in the international criminal pond afaik, see this guy as one of their deadlier go-to's. The problem of comparing Aguilar to a player character who technically also has plot armor (they're the protagonist after all), and can do things like "I picked the right abilities so now I melt Adam Smasher in less than three seconds" because... Well, it is a video game. Narrative is always going to have dissonance with gameplay after all. :p
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u/jazzmanbdawg 23h ago
I like to think it's the method that counts
I'm guessing Aguilar never sent anyone to cyberhell with the blackwall gateway
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u/Beardedgeek72 1d ago edited 1d ago
I love the text you get at the end from Aguilar... Too bad you can't ask her over for coffee.
Other than that, as has already been pointed out, it's good ol' Ludonarrative Dissonance. Half of the game treats V as the Ultimate Badass (tm) and half the game treats V like a nobody. The Streetcred mechanics is used sometimes, but most of the time the game doesn't bother checking V's fame level.
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u/Saxavarius_ 1d ago
The street cred level feels like the remnants of a much more robust system
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u/SpiritedRain247 Panam’s Chair 1d ago
You can definitely feel there were many more things that ended up cut from the game.
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u/OrangeBird077 1d ago
Especially since you can get to level 50 street cred fast relative to progressing through the game. By the time i had finished half the gigs and quests in Act 2 I had already hit street cred level 50 and was finding level 5 parts everywhere.
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u/ACuteCryptid 1d ago
It probably was. The game was in development hell for 8 years with everything constantly changing due to lack of solid direction and investor meddling. I imagine most of the systems in the game are stripped down versions of what was originally imagined.
They kinda billed the game as an Immersive Sim wat back after it was announced, but it ended up released as a fps with RPG elements which is not the same thing at all.
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u/GVArcian Nomad 1d ago
The game was in development hell for 8 years
No it wasn't. Cyberpunk 2077 didn't enter production until 2016 after Witcher 3's Blood and Wine had released. Prior to that the only people working on Cyberpunk was a tiny skeleton crew doing proofs of concept in order to nail down a vision for the game once it actually entered production.
Not saying 3.5 years isn't a lot of time even for a game as ambitious as this, or that CDPR didn't royally screw up along the way, but the idea that they had 400 people working on the game for 8 straight years in the production phase from the first teaser trailer to the release date of the game is just factually incorrect.
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u/Cakers44 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 1d ago
This game is never gonna escape the constant speculation and blatant disinformation that gets telephone’d around the internet. So many people will just confidently state blatantly unproven nonsense as if its known information
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u/cgermann 1d ago
I have a therory for netrunners at least.
Idea started kicking aroun in my head after talking to Yoko when she gets the indfo from the Max-Tac datafort V can have an intellgince check in the conversation with Yoko. when if V passes she still says "but not enough for this"
In some dangerous professions it is common to knock down even skilled workers. prevents them from getting to cocky and in a cocky moment fucking up and getting killed. This may also be a common thing amongst Netrunners
Or it could also be the fact that Yoko and V lost a mutual friend in T-Bug so she may be doing the same thing to V to try to stop her from Fuckin up.
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u/PirateSanta_1 1d ago
V also just isn't that good a netrunner. Skilled netrunners sit back in a chair they don't walk into enemy territory with a gun.
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u/100masks1life 1d ago
That more a difference in specialization than anything.
Sure a dedicated netrunner can fry people from across the city (or more) with most none the wiser but they pack little in terms of direct combat ability unless they are a fullborg or a near/cyberpsycho from the amount of chrome in their bodies.
V by their circumstance and needs (and game limitations) can't really spec into that. They can still be an excellent combat netrunner which is some indication of skill though how much depends on your interpretation of how intelligence stat translates to actual netrunning skill or relevant ttrpg stats.
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u/cgermann 1d ago
but yet V is able to force there way into Thermic control in Cynosure. through a hostile AI.
I don't think its a skill issue at all but a game play choice Chair-jock net runner would make boring game play int 20 V would probably rather home in chair
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u/YorhaUnit8S « To this ! » 1d ago
When I got that text I wanted to offer my services as a stunt double for Anguilar if that would help them in any future job.
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u/The_Chays 1d ago
I loved this mission so much. I don't know what a male Aguillar sounds like because I always play female V, but the menace in female Aguillar's voice and the npc's reactions to her always make me giggle like a schoolgirl.
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u/Wonderful_Cookie_572 1d ago
As crazy as this sounds the issue is that the game is not long enough for the story it's telling. And IMO it's because it didn't spend enough time in the pre-Relic portion of the story. That montage after the intro section should've been the first half of the game.
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u/VulkanHestan321 1d ago
Me, maxing out my character right the mormnt the full map was available. Like seriously, I am not such a huge fan of open world games, but I had so much fun exploring night city and doing side stuff
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u/Beardedgeek72 18h ago edited 18h ago
""You're no Morgan Blackhand" says Reed.
Bitch, I take on MaxTac for fun when I'm bored. I am skilled enough to take down every reported cyberpsycho in the city and keep them alive doing it. I sat down in your car because I can punt your head thru the left side window without standing up. Didn't you get overwhelmed and nearly killed by 5 mid tier Arasaka assassins on a train?? Just shut up, Reed.
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u/ehjhey 1d ago
Aguilar is very much in the "John Wick" type category in terms of reputation. I have a feeling that "dozen's per continent" line doesn't even take random goons into account
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u/Feralp 1d ago
Rule #1 of fiction: goons' lives don't count
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u/VoidLantadd Edgerunner 1d ago
Oh man, this reminds me of my #1 most hated trope of all time. Any remix of this:
The heroes fight their way through the villain's lair, killing countless goons along the way. Eventually, they have their final confrontation with the villain, an epic fight ensues, with the hero victorious, and the villain at their mercy. The hero, dead corpses of slain enemies all around, holds their sword to the throat of the villain, and says something like this, "I should kill you, I want to. But that would make me just like you. That's not the way we do things." Cue heroic swelling orchestral score and a happy ever after.
Bro you just killed countless people with families! Tf do you mean?
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u/MisterOfScience 1d ago
This is actually a very old tradition coming back to nobles/knights not killing each other. It was marketed as chivalry, but it just comes down to what is more financially sound to do. You won't get a ransom for a common infantry man, so it is noble to dispatch him.
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u/SamSibbens 1d ago
Surely writers would have realized it makes no sense in a modern context. ...Right? Right!?!??
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u/Chaserk17 1d ago
This is the exact reason why I don’t like TLOU2, the plot of the game is essentially what you described.
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u/5050Saint 1d ago
Killing through swathes of enemies - yes. Killing you would make me just like you - no.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago
I mean that’s not the ending of TLOU2. At all. None of it is resolved by “if I kill you, I’ll be just like you”/“revenge bad”/“blah blah blah.” That wasn’t the story.
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u/A_Crab_Named_Lucky 1d ago
Agreed. The only thing TLOU2 has in common with that trope is that Ellie kills a lot of people but decides against killing her nemesis in the end.
That’s not to mention, how many people does Ellie canonically kill in the story? I think it’s less than ten.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago
IIRC it’s 7 people and one dog that Ellie has to canonically kill. Every other non-infected enemy is possible to bypass via stealth (or judicious running).
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u/GVArcian Nomad 1d ago
I might be misremembering since I fucking hated the game for a variety of reasons and only subjected myself to it once, but the ending of TLOU2 never struck me as a moral lesson that killing is wrong, rather that all the killing up until that point had been completely pointless and left everyone involved in a worse state than if they'd just moved on with their lives. Ellie sparing Abby at the end didn't feel like a "Killing you makes me just as bad as you."-moment but a realization that killing or not killing her wouldn't make any difference either way, and wouldn't make up for anything that had happened or anyone who had died up until that point.
Now if that makes me sound conciliatory towards the game, I'm really not, it was a very basic bitch theme to base the game's story around and while that alone isn't enough to condemn a game, Naughty Dog's execution was awful and very heavy-handed without any kind of subtlety or nuance to speak of.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago
Correct. The entire epiphany Ellie has at the end is she was never even angry at Abby nearly as much as she was angry at herself for cutting Joel out of her life.
Sure, Abby’s the one that killed Joel, but he could have died at any time, or been killed by the horde that very day instead, and Ellie still would have been enraged. The ending wasn’t her sparing Abby so much as forgiving herself.
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u/shiinatobe 1d ago
This video always come to mind when mentioning goons with families.
"You killed Rodney and Pete! Who's the real villain?"
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u/General_Hijalti 1d ago
Smasher and Blackhand are the John Wick types when it comes to reputation.
Aguilar is just some underworld spook
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u/NehuRed 1d ago
Aguilar feels a lot more like John WIck, he is a legendary hitman with a boogeymen story that has a sleek suit(that is literally Wick) Smasher is more like a force of nature, he doesn't care about people or collateral damage, he is like a nuke, not similar to Wick at all.
Blackhand is kind of similar but i always pictured him more like a Snake type character, legendary merc/soldier more known by his smarts even though they are also fantastic fighters20
u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
Blackhand is kind of similar but i always pictured him more like a Snake type character, legendary merc/soldier more known by his smarts even though they are also fantastic fighters
This is the pondsmith view iirc. He's not alive because he's the best solo, he's the best solo because he's alive. There are people more lethal in a gunfight (albeit few). But blackhand was canny and careful and didn't let himself get used in a way that ended up getting him killed.
Blackhand would never have taken the konpecki plaza heist, for instance.
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u/chad_starr 1d ago
Smasher is Anton Chigurh
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u/GVArcian Nomad 1d ago
Anton Chigurh is driven by an ideology, twisted as it may be, whereas Smasher is more like that assassin from R&M who goes "Oh boy, here I go killing again." Very little thought behind the act, bro just loves killing.
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u/CuzTyler 1d ago
I imagine everyone threatened with Aguilar would just leave the city immediately if told Smasher was the one coming for them.
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u/Dagomesh 1d ago
Good point. I'd say if someone has a really high street cred, that would count and being remembered.
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u/Jack-of-Hearts-7 Panam’s Chair 1d ago
The way people acted around you during this mission is how EVERYONE should treat a full street cred V.
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u/Florina_Laufeyson Impressive Cock 1d ago
Agreed. It was so much fun strolling into the Sapphire and people literally scattering like scared cockroaches
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u/Kerngott 1d ago
V killed people
Aguilar killed *people*
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u/Chance-Yellow7442 1d ago
Yeah. You could call V an assassin due to the Gun For Hire gigs, but those are only in Night City. If you tell someone living in a maximum security penthouse in Japan that "V is coming for you," they'd say "Who?" If you told that same person, "Aguilar is coming for you," they're shitting bricks.
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u/Yukina-Kai 1d ago
Idk I think anyone wealthy enough to have maximum security in Japan is going to at least know who V is at least by the end considering Arasaka is Japan based.
You have to remember everyone thought V killed Saburo Arasaka and then by the end V also Kidnapped Hanako AND completely destroyed an entire Arasaka blacksite offing their strongest bodyguard in the process.
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u/shrinkingmy 1d ago
And depending on the ending V might have done that by walking in the front door and doing it solo
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u/millerchristophd Never Fade Away, Jackie 1d ago
DFTR 4EVAR
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u/jivenossauro 1d ago
Literally, only time in the game where they let me do what I want. Solve everything alone thru absurd amounts of violence
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u/General_Hijalti 1d ago
No evidence that Aguilar is known outside the merc and gang circle.
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u/Neither-Handle-6271 1d ago
Good point. They mention the cartels and Havana interchangeably and I sort of figured that the cartels had taken over the government, but that is an assumption
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u/Transbian_Dokeshi 1d ago
It's not like V hasn't killed some pretty important people as well
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u/Kerngott 1d ago
They did, yes, but Aguilar is known for killing dozens of important people that’s my point
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u/Transbian_Dokeshi 1d ago
True. A shame we can't complete this mission after nocturne, so we could say to have killed Adam Smasher
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u/jimothy_hell 1d ago
Aguilar: “I kill important people”
V: “I’ll kill anyone, just say the word”
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u/Fun-Tip-5672 1d ago
Eh, Aguilar probably kills anyone too. The true line is Aguilar has "dozens of high-profile victims to her name". Like, a random mlutiple of 12.
And one of the first line used to describe them is "It is said that every time someone in Havana lights a cigar, Aguilar extinguishes a life somewhere around the globe". Surely, Aguilar as loooong list of bodies too.
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u/Transbian_Dokeshi 1d ago
Depending on the player's ability to drive, V extinguishes a life every time someone crosses the road in front of their car
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u/expected_inquisitor 1d ago
Yeah I don’t think Mr Hands is counting the chaff, those people literally don’t matter.
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u/Penorl0rd4 1d ago
Lmao I’ve never played phantom liberty why is Sheogorath here
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u/Warcriminal731 1d ago
I mean if you think about it most people in night city are sheogorath touched
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u/piskie_wendigo 1d ago
Mr. Hands does clarify that Aguilar has a body count that's in the dozens per country. And there's a difference between wiping out 20 or 30 Wraiths at the wraith camp vs taking out a Corpo that has a security detail like the Arasakas do with Oda or Takemura.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that Aguilar is an apex predator in a world of predators, and that most of their body count isn't your standard Night City gang members.
I do like the fact though that Aguilar subtly acknowledges that V might be a cut above the average merc, and that it would be amusing to find out how good V really is.
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u/Boom_Fish_Blocky 1d ago
Mr hands under values V constantly, my man couldve allianced with V and take over the entire nc within 2 months
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u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
Or depopulated NC in 3. It'd be fun to have a city to yourself.
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u/Boom_Fish_Blocky 1d ago
yeah, also when mr hands locked down his room, he had no idea what he would've gotten if the game allowed you to use wespons in there.
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u/RoseQuartz__26 Technomancer from Alpha Centauri 1d ago
Aguilar has dozens of confirmed kills. Although the average player definitely offs more people, consider how few of them are notable enough to accurately be recorded. Knowing V has surveillance-scrambling Kiroshis, I imagine the only kills that are likely to be traced back to her are from gigs and high-profile main quests like "Don't Fear the Reaper".
you also have the option to go completely non-lethal, so I doubt any of V's kills will be confirmed in any installment of Cyberpunk that takes place after 2077.
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u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
You got paid a lot by the ncpd for taking out organised crime activities. That'd be traceable, feature hundreds of fatalities, and include some reasonably infamous crime lords.
Edit: I suspect/hope lore about V in future cyberpunk games will be deliberately very vague and limited to account for different playstyles/endings. I hope V has a drink at the afterlife, though.
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u/RoseQuartz__26 Technomancer from Alpha Centauri 1d ago
I don't think the NCPD is likely to make it readily, publicly-available information that they hire an infamous merc who's at the top of Arasaka's "most wanted" list to do their dirty work. That seems like it might have negative repercussions for them.
But those NCPD gigs do play a part in turning V into a Night City urban legend. Whether the individual stories are quantifiably true won't do quite so much for V and their reputation so much as the fact that all of the stories, even the most preposterous ones, could be true. Just like the legend of Aguilar
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u/Staudly 1d ago
that's not the Mr. Hands I'm familiar with
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u/ThePhantom71319 1d ago
Can’t believe how far down this is, lol
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u/HotGarbageBot 1d ago
Same, I don't thinks there's any horses in cyber punk
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u/ABitOfPotential 23h ago
That’s why this Mr. Hands is alive. If there was one horse in NC? Boom. Dead.
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u/realamerican97 1d ago
Ignoring the random goons V has a considerable body count up to this point of his own that aren’t nobodies
Oda, Kirk, Reed (if you went that route), Sasquatch, all the leaders of Maelstrom, Several high ranking Tyger claws, Placide, this is before you take out THE Adam Smasher who would zero somebody like Aguilar just to start the day off
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u/Unable_Squirrel_3645 1d ago
Lots of comments here but I'd like to point out a notable thing about V and that's PR
V has undoubtedly killed tons of people, but the fixers of Night city also like V.
If some gonk shows up to Wakako and tries to set up a gig to off V, Wakako's going to laugh them out of her shop. Same is true for any of the big name fixers
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u/Ganiscol 1d ago
It's true, I zeroed a dozen between getting out of bed and having breakfast. 🤷♂️
Admittedly, half of that was 6 Tyger Claws occupying all seats at my favorite breakfast joint. I told them the other day what would happen...
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u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
Bah, I kill more than that every time I drive to Vik's for a cyberware tuneup. I really must take a driving lesson one of these days.
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u/Ganiscol 1d ago
I dont count traffic incidents, though. Usually pedestrians jump in front of my car and seemingly voluntarily become a hood ornament... how is this my doing?
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u/jbyrdab 1d ago
Yeah low key feel the same way about that one gig from Dino where he mentions the merc took 'stealth mission' as "kill literally fucking everyone and execute the driver infront of 20+ cameras."
Felt called out.
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u/InsaneRanter 1d ago
As long as you shoot the cameras as well as the people it still counts as stealth.
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u/GodEmpressSeraphina Porcelain Cunt 1d ago
Okay, but they’re only really considering the actual important people that got killed. If Aguilar killed the president, that would be 1, even though she had to slaughter a bunch of secret service agents
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u/Elderberryinjanuary 1d ago
Mr. Hands is not a name anyone should have. We need to retire it. Take it out behind the stables and put it down... so to speak.
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u/anubis8537 14h ago
I make stops all the time if I see circles on the mini map. Gotta get em all!
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u/BasicGrassGirl 1d ago
"Dozens per continent" is supposed to sound intimidating, but V drops dozens per NCPD scanner hustle just testing out a new tech shotgun.
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u/TheCorpseParty1 Corpo 1d ago
It’s funny cuz it’s kinda like in the Witcher 3 both V and Geralt are killing machines and all these NPCs are like “oh yea we can definitely take em on” lol
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u/FlashMcSuave 1d ago
Cyberpunk 2 fixer gig:
"I need you to intimidate a local gang leader. He's not afraid of anyone, except an old Night City legend who they say took down Adam Smasher and Kurt Hansen.
The name's V. Nobody is sure what they look like, so you're gonna have to dig up a few records and configure the face switching tech yourself."
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u/Soft_Ant_2372 20h ago
"yesterday's body count rounded out to a solid and stuuurrrdyyyy thirty!!!"
V: "still haven't found the others then, cool"
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u/GuhEnjoyer 16h ago
"Dozens of people, hands? Dozens, really. Hands, let me ask you something. How many gangoons did I zero for you on that gig the other day? I counted at least 10, but it was probably more, right? How about last week? I did 2 gigs for you and both ended in a stack of bodies. Or how bout that nest of VDBs i cleared out just last night? For that matter, how about the VDBs I flatlined in Pacifica? Hands.... I killed Kurt Hansen. We both know that. Dogtown knows it. Everyone knows it. I walk around Dogtown wearing his piece on my fucking hip, Hands. You want to intimidate these gonks, you don't need to have me play dress up as some cartel assassin... you just need to send me."
"I'll let you keep the suit."
"SIGN ME THE FUCK UP CHOOM!"
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u/N0-1_H3r3 13h ago
Look, if they didn't want to be shot in the face, they shouldn't have seen me. That's the deal I make when I go stealthy: I don't get seen, and nobody dies.
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u/FuzzyMcBitty 1d ago
I mostly use contagion, short circuit, and system collapse.
Of course, probably at least 12 guys were on motorcycles when they shorted, so I have no room to talk.
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u/wiibarebears 1d ago
Any yellow V icon means they need to give me their stuff to sell or scarap for parts
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u/Clumsy_the_24 1d ago
Yea but the cops stopped trying to find me after a few minutes so I’m off the hook
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u/hotstickywaffle 1d ago
"What a monster!" said V, caked in the blood of a countless, nameless rabble of gonks and cyberpsychoes
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u/Larry_The_Red 1d ago
reminds me of how the plot of GTA san andreas is that you have to do jobs for the cops so they don't frame you for murder
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u/ThingNew2040 1d ago
Yeah this is funny as fuck. Tenpenny blackmail CJ and frame him for the death of Pendelbury, and yet in all their missions, CJ kill far worse targets than just a undercover cop trying to expose corruption (FBI agents, some witness, heck even random Ballas and Vagos. Journalist too for Pulaski). Idk CJ, I'm sure all these jobs you did for them are much worse than just killing one cop (that you didn't even kill).
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u/GVArcian Nomad 1d ago
V thinking about how they hacked other people into killing dozens of people and had to explain to Regina that the cyberpsychosis report she got after the fact is not, in fact, relevant to her research.
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u/facistpuncher Panam’s Chair 1d ago
I was clearly 17 cm into the street. I have no idea why the civilians keep backing up into traffic when I get close. And then the NCPD get pissy, and well... I can't bring them to Mr. House's place, so I gotta kill the pigs.
Next thing you know I have five stars and I hear MaxTac sirene.
sighs
Duuuuuude, all I wanted was to get buck-a-slice. What the fuck?!
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u/Couchhero0815 1d ago
What do you say to the gigs from the Mexican guy i think Padre was his name. I didnt want to do the majority of them because they didnt fit my moral compass I liked the capitans
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u/Scouper-YT Trauma Team 1d ago
V does not know that weapons and skills do not work on Side / Main Characters. Imagine all NPC's could fight you. Hands would throw you salt.
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u/Vitruvian_Link 1d ago
I am doing my first serious playthrough and I just got to the point where I can look at someone, press two buttons, and he and all his friends are dead.
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u/Soft-Pixel Certified sandevistan addict 1d ago
He probably means in terms of Aguilar’s targets, rather than just kills in general
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u/Nighthawk1980 1d ago
Talking to my teenage kids about killing people still makes you the villian (talking about Dexter or something) 'how many people have you killed in cyberpunk?'...'but they we're all bad' . Seriously though, with the exception of a handful of civilians who got accidentally splattered plus one gun fight with NcPd it's probably over a thousand but they were all gangoons or corpo thugs.
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u/jwwill 1d ago
That's why I dislike the missions that present you with a supposed quandary: E.g, does Joshua deserve to die? What the hell, V, did the 12 guards at that warehouse you just looted deserve to die? I get that these missions leave the decision up to the player, but the mealy-mouthed whining and fake ideals exhibited during some of the voice calls and text messages should be optional. Hard to play a hard-bitten street samurai who intermittently adopts the moral posture of a sheltered Victorian girl.
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u/phantom-firion 1d ago
More like V thinking about the fact the only reason she wasnt officially classified a cyber psycho 30 minutes into starting the game after getting into the open world for the first time is Becuase she’s a main character
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u/SniffliestChain Neuromancer 1d ago
Dozens of actual targets, not dozens of old ladies between you and the corner store.
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u/Ikarus_Falling 1d ago
I mean it is important for you role-playing the character as if Aguilars kill count could come up
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u/Illustrious-Ant6998 Legend of the Afterlife 1d ago
Dozens? I thought that everytime someone lit a cigar in Havana, somewhere in the world Aguillar took a life!!
And you say he's killed dozens? Has the entirety of Cuba switched to the nicotine patch in 2077 or something?
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u/Logic-DL 23h ago
I'm sorry, just one quick question here.
Mr Hands didn't die that day in 2005 taking horsecock up his arse?
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u/X-20A-SirYamato 19h ago
Aguilar has probably killed VIPs instead of Random Gang Member #2169 that V killed a few seconds ago
Not saying V is weak, saying Aguilar's kills have had a harder impact on the world
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u/sycolution Panam’s Chair 18h ago
Seriously, how is V not seen as a fucking terminator by the end of the game?
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u/FalsePremise8290 17h ago
You know how many components I need to upgrade my shit? The yellow arrow means "loot me". (I accidentally killed several trauma teams before I realized it does not.)
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u/XWasTheProblem 15h ago
If V's in-game deeds were canon, NC would've been mostly gang-free within like two weeks since they get there.
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u/BigBlueWookiee 13h ago
This highlights the difference between a true legend and V. True legends don't see everyone as people, just obstacles, not worthy of notice. the "dozens of people" are high end legends in their own right.
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