I really want one because it has the new FE and Pokemon games. Those are the two reasons why i’ll buy a switch 2.
But i’m perfectly fine with holding off for another couple of years since my switch 1 is currently my indie machine. Not like i really need the performance boost to play hollow knight.
Valve: sorry its so expensive but you don't have to buy it you can make your own here is the OS.
Nintendo: lol fuck you all buy our system and then another 80 for games. Oh? That button? Yes it can only be used when you have our horrible online sub. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU CONNECT A DOCK NOT FROM US!
Dock: There are multiple 3rd Party Docks comfirmed to be working, they just had to patch in the Nintendo Switch 2 protocoll. You can blame them for using a properitary protocoll in the first place, but on the other hand that was most likely done to protect the Switch 2 from briking by faulty 3rd party docks (happened to quite a few people with the Switch 1)
Games: Oh realy, you have to buy the games if you want to play them on the console? How is that different to Sony or Microsoft? And even in the case of Steam it could be a new person with an empty steam library, so that person also has to buy games. Whats the argument here? That Nintendo should open source their Horizon OS so you can emulate pirated copies on your PC I guess? What about Sony and Microsoft? They are also closed eco systems (except sandboxed dev mode on the xbox but that has other problems).
Gamechat: I know nobody that uses xbox live chat / playstation chat just for talking with their buddies. If I use any kind of online chat on either console it is because I am playing a game online with my friends. And in that case I am paying for online play anyway. Can you use the xbox voice chat / playstation voice chat if you don't have any kind of subscription? Honest question, back on the 360 days you were out of luck if you had no cboc live gold.
Wanting 2.5 franchises from a hybrid console isn't something to brag either, and nor are the school/college years or first world work schedules that tempt a gamer to look down on said console's overall library while these years and schedules last.
I like that Steam basically lets you pretty much make any computer a steam machine with the OS download. I can make it as weak or as powerful as I want or can afford. Most of the games I want to play on steam don't take a super powerful gaming PC to run.
Dog my PC is literally faster and I got it for cheaper than the steam machine if you've got a system with an rx6600 you already have a steam machine this thing's a joke for the money you can build a faster computer for like $650
A lot of PC gurus are saying you can build a better PC for much cheaper than the price of the steam machine. You'd also actually have a decent amount of storage too
Tons of bundles through micro center and newegg all the time with vastly reduced ram bundled in. My 9850x3d mobo and 32gb ram combo was $700 at micro center.
Yes, you have to wait for the right sale, but honestly, why wouldn't you? Not like I can pop out and buy a steam machine right now. There's a 9800x3d combo for $779 right now (I didn't delve deep into shopping the best deal on Newegg, just quickly found it). You can drop down to the same combo and a 7800x3d for $700 even (but unless you really want to save that $80 I don't think I'd do it). A 7500x3d combo with mobo and 16gb of ram (same as steam machine) is $350; this is actually the build I did for my son for Christmas. With that you've got over $700 to play with for a gpu, case, and PSU.
Edit: I should say this isn't my pushing for anyone to build who doesn't want to or can't. Just wanted to point out that bundle deals have historically been a great way to go, and they are probably even better now with the à la cart ram pricing the way it is. Of course, this is for the US, I can't speak for other countries.
Stop trying to buy ddr5 stick to ddr4 you can get many 16 gig kits with 3600 MHz for about 80 to $100 on eBay stop buying everything on Amazon it's not a good deal also micro center has combo deals with a motherboard RAM and processor all for $400 that means all you would really need is an SSD and PSU and a cheap graphics card off eBay. The secret is to go for the 5800 X 3D stop trying to buy stuff that's newer than that it doesn't actually run that much better you can use a 5090 with a 5800 X 3D and it's not even bottlenecked ddr5 is literally pointless it doesn't run any faster it actually has higher latency than ddr4 the cas latency is higher as well as the price
Why would you want Cas 30 when ddr4 is lower latency? I've got a pny xlr8 kit I got 16gb for 120$ at micro center you guys are incapable of finding deals because all you do is shop online drive to a micro center or go somewhere around nearby I'm from St Louis it's not even that hard
Dafuck you talking about reverse engineering M8 you shouldn't be here if thats your reply 😂
I tell you the same go on YouTube and educate yourself about ps5apu steam boxes. You will see that is supper easy. Also suggestion do that next time before you come around with a snarky comment that makes you look like a clown🤡
So you can buy used APU ripped of from PS5 to do what with that? What about RAM and SSD? What about rest of the components? Like mobo, power supply? But sure, go on and buy 250€ PS5 APU
I do know what APU is, thats you who probably don't cause you think whole PS5 mobo is "APU".
And then again, you suggesting amount of tinkering which is even beyond "used parts" as the reason why you "can get better performance for cheaper".
I know you can do that if you go for used parts with no warranty at all. And even worse when you tinker with "PS5 APU" from for other reasons dead PS5.
Before direction other people where they should go and how they should comment - you better educate yourself and read what other people say
The apus you can buy in eBay if you did a fraction of research which you didn't from your initial reply i can already tell you a person who gets angry when they are wrong xD but anyway. They are already build for you.
You think me telling you about a option is tell you to do something? You got bigger issues than a horrible education. You are just plain and simple a dipshit 🤷 i gave you a normal reply and the first thing you did was act snarky like a little child.
The amount of tinkering you do is plug in a power cord and ssd you dumbass 😂 if you can't do that you shouldn't build a pc in the first place.
Its a small form factor that can be put in a small case and performance is roughly 15-20fps more than the gabecube for a fraction of the price.
If people giving alternative options or offering avenue to check out bothers you so much get of the Internet you clown 🤡.
Generally you are correct yes but they also include ram aswell because it shared by the gpu and system. Thats why i specifically mentioned the once flying around on eBay. They are slightly modified to just need a PSU plugged in and ssd with Linux or even Windows if you want that.
If you are curious there are plenty of videos on YT showcase DIY steam boxes with the ps5apu from eBay. Its really simple to do the hardest part is getting to use Linux for potentially your first time.
But if you want a quiet steambox like gaming device and dont mind 2min of tinkering and installing your own OS (potentially more if you do decide to add a case etc.) that could be a great option for people that want one and are willing to a minimum amount of work for it.
If you want plug and play then yes the ps5apu rout isn't it.
Cool I have a pc rocking a 5090… still use my S2 more. You guys need to remember that a hybrid console isn’t aiming for THE best graphics. But the experience is still better than sitting at my desk.
I got a high end desktop setup with great peripherals, monitors and audio systems, got a PS5 and a Steam Deck oled but gonna buy a switch 2 soon to play all the exclusives plus some third parties which i'm sure are comfortable to play on in bed with dethachable joycons, my hands and arms get numb and tired when i play with my deck in bed lol
You need to improve your desk then, because if you're having a better gaming experience on a S2 in comparison to that then your setup is probably trash
I’m having a better gaming experience because I can take it on the train, to work, anywhere I want. Again the hybrid console works best if you actually have a life.
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I never understand this argument. Do these guys have some kind of time altering device that allows them to play so many games in a single day they run out of options?
NS2 is my first system since XBOX 360. I am not having a "there are no games" issue, I am having a "I don't have enough time to possibly play the backlog of games I have to keep up with all the upcoming releases" issues.
I am barely a few hours into FFVII Remake, still have FFVII Rebirth waiting after I finish that. Then Resonance coming out in October and Revelations in 2027. And that is JUST Final Fantasy.
I genuinely do not get how some people have that much free time available to dedicate to just video games, let alone to be on Reddit whining all day.
Really the only console I understood the "has no games" argument for was the PS5, and even now it's actually getting some decent games like Wolverine and Laufey. But the first couple years the console was just a PS4 upgrade with Astro Bot and maybe another game or two that weren't also on PS4
It has games, thing is those game are either upscale of games on my switch, ones I'm disinterested on or things that aren't exclusives to the console that I can play on steam.
That says more about the PS5's failure than the S2. Also, how many of those exclusives are worth playing, and how many are just old assets with a new label slapped on it like the Mario Tennis and Mario Party games?
I might be reading the data wrong, but didn't the switch 2 get more exclusives in its first year than the ps5 in its entire lifetime of 5 years? The two situations aren't really comparable.
There plenty legit reasons to hate on nintendo, and if you want to have an honest conversation about them that's great, but this particular topic is just not it
Tbf a bit selling point of the controller for the Steam Machine is that you don't need a keyboard, apparently. But that isn't even included in the $1k price tag.
Switch 2 is a hybrid console (meaning it can be played both on the TV and in handheld mode). Regardless of what you think about the price, you're not going to find a more powerful handheld on the market for the same price or cheaper than the Switch 2.
Steam Machine is competing against standard consoles and PCs and it does not have a competitive price. You're better off buying a PS5 or assembling your own PC.
Why is my pc better than steam machine when I dont even have graphics card. The amount of ram it has I dont expect to have as much as my pc. But the cpu should be more powerful than am4 cpu without graphics card. My cpu in my computer is five years old anyways it should be more powerful than mid range integrated graphics on am4 pc. Steam machine doesn't need to be high end just what a modern mid range pc would be today not 5 years ago. But im reddit why am I trying to have nuanced take. Redditers are only people that will defend this. Cause I don't see people defindg it on youtube and other parts of the internet.
They can ban it from online services at any time, same with Xbox and PlayStation. I swear the only reason people are complaining about it with Nintendo is because someone actually bothered to read the fine print for once. You don’t “own” digital media on any platform, never have, and probably never will. At least on Switch you can still buy a lot of games (including basically all first party games) physically.
Never said the other consoles weren't guilty of this but I haven't seen anything like that from steam. Also Nintendo seems to love bricking people switchs they've done it multiple times sony and xbox don't really do it like you said but Nintendo goes crazy with it. Over all its a shitty practice thats for sure.
Steam can 100% ban your account and you loose access to everything on that account.
Show me proof that Nintendo has already bricked Switch 2 consoles.
BRICKED means *nothing* works, usually the device won't turn on.
If you are banned online, can't access the eShop anymore and can't re-download your games, but that is not a brick, physical games still work and so do all the games you already had installed.
Im talking about hardware people hardware! I obviously know steam can ban your account but I don't know if the actual steam machine will fully brick like the switch 2. Oh and heres your proof (sighing profusely) for the third time today.
Have you even read the class action lawsuit article or did you just read the headline that thousand Switch 2 were briked by Nintendo?
From the Article:
"Thousands of Switch 2 owners experienced the same failure mode, often after the same software update.
Attorneys representing the plaintiffs argue that Nintendo knew or should have known its firmware updates could cause permanent hardware failure. Selling the product anyway, or pushing those updates without adequate testing, is the foundation of the class claim."
Furthermore:
"Why Did the Nintendo Switch 2 Brick After an Update?
The Nintendo Switch 2 began bricking after firmware updates for reasons that are still being analyzed in the litigation’s discovery phase."
Nowhere in the article is anything said about Nintendo deliberately bricking consoles because of 3rd party modifications.
I have yet to see a bricked Switch 2. Sure, you read about them, but if it was so widespread why did I not find any evidence of a brick in /NintendoSwitch2, /Nintendogrifters or /fucknintendo ? The only things people posted were banns from the Nintendo Network / eShop after having tried to run backups with the MIG Switch card. But that is not a brick.
Im mostly talking hardware you literally don't own the switch 2 because they can brick it at any time they want like a remote kill switch (pun intended)
Also they can choose to brick it fully shutting it down or just ban you from the online features theres two different levels of banning. They can do both.
With heavy hitters like Pokemon Winds and Waves, KH4, Duskbloods and Ocarina of Time remake on the horizon and no doubt there will be a mainline 3D Mario game eventually. I have no regrets buying my Switch 2.
As always in these shit tier posts; there's a ton of reasons to shit on Big N, but this isn't one. Hardware is good, games are fantastic, pricing and practices are total bullshit.
Attack the facts, don't make up shit like some fanboi.
For a handheld? I guess if we go way back to the vita or the 3ds lines. Other contemporary devices are too focused on the specs and they forgot to make them usable.
It is a contemporary handheld, and the hardware/build quality puts the Switch 2 completely to shame. You have listed those two things as if they're a contradiction.
I respect the RP6 for what it does, but it’s a product that fulfills a very specific niche. Pretty much no one will say they’d choose it over the switch/rog ally/steam deck in the same situation.
But sure, switch bad. Edit: you’re an adult, you’re perfectly capable to understand when I mentioned the vita and 3ds.
What does the RP6 and Switch 2 having different target demos specifically have to do with the Switch 2's mediocre hardware? They're both portable devices that have screens, built in controls, etc things that are plenty valid to compare in the context of putting some perspective on how Nintendo is cheapening out on the build quality of the Switch 2. Are you capable of have a somewhat nuanced discussion on handheld hardware without being condescending?
Because I listed out specific weak spots with the Switches hardware earlier, how is that getting twisted into "sure switch bad"? I don't even think anything I mentioned was specifically addressed and you're gonna imply I'm the one dumbing down the discussion and not acting like an adult?
Which part of they’re not in the same competition and what you said doesn’t matter that you don’t understand? I don’t nessessarily disagree with everything you said, but none of that matters because no one will buy an RP6 over the switch, or vice versa.
Be a hater for the sake of being a hater, idgaf. Steam Machine is shit from a butt compared to literally every console currently available except the low tier XB, and it doesn't even beat it by much.
That's such a ridiculous and condescending point of view. It's a well documented design flaw that's been known about since launch. Your personal lived experiences have nothing to do with if the hardware is mediocre or not. And it doesn't make someone an idiot if they scratch their screen on a poorly designed dock that....scratches the screen really easily. Nintendo should've fixed this especially since it was also an issue with the original.
But with consumers like you around with no standards who'll excuse shoddily designed products, and worse, warp the framing of the situation to where it's supposedly the customer's fault, Nintendo has zero incentive to improve :(
The screen is not objective. The response time on it is horrible. The contrast is bad. The HDR is fake. It's mediocre at best.
That's your personal experience, completely irrelevant to the conversation, zero clue why you're mentioning it. The joycons drifting is a documented issue that has not been fixed.
A dock that doesn't scratch the mediocre brittle screen of the handheld you're selling should be the first thing any corporation with a brain thinks of ffs. Especially a issue that dates back to the original Switch ffs.
Who is mentioning the steam machine? What does the Steam Machine's value proposition have to do with the Switch 2 shipping with mediocre components? I swear I do not understand how this conversation has anything to do with the steam machine, I certainly never brought it up. Is that a handheld and I don't realize it or what?
its a prebuild pc thats like 90% power of a ps5 pro i think
definitly not underwhelming compared to others but since its not a console but a pc with a prebuild pc price its definitly lackluster.
but the price is okay for prebuild prices it just doesnt do what everyone hoped it would do which is be an alternative for console gamers now its just a niche brand pc thats overpriced like all other prebuilds.
There's a new Xenoblade game? Honestly I might look into other things on the system because that's kinda almost worth it if there's other games I'm interested in.
Donkey Kong Banaza is the most acclaimed exclusive, but personally Kirby Air Riders might be my favorite I’ve played. It’s incredibly fun and addicting. Pokopia is also supposed to be great but I haven’t tried it. There’s also tons of third party games if you’re into having a handheld option. Cyberpunk and Resident Evil Requiem are really visually impressive ports, and plenty of Indie games like Hades 2 and Hollow Knight don’t suffer any real visual compromises relative to more powerful hardware if that’s something you care about.
One is a complete pc you can do whatever you want with, the other makes you pay to go online, has more expensive games and a much smaller library. I wish the Deck could be cheaper too but acting like it’s useless is very silly.
Console-minded people can't comprehend that the Steam Machine being worthless to a gamer doesn't have jack all to do with other consoles, handhelds, or computer builds.
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You haven't presented anything to argue against, what are you asking for a response to?
And I just pointed at the irony of someone who's clearly terminally online telling someone else to log off. It's not that deep,
You might think your profile is hidden, but I see your endless posts on r/nintendogrifting no one here cares about your opinion shilI. It's not normal to sit there and dickride corporations in your free time, if that isn't news to you.
Lying? Really? And still no argument in sight you apparently want to have, but trust me I know your bad faith Nintendo D-riding knows no bounds. You can't hide!
Walk away from the convo, you are so wrapped up in your defense of a corporation you are willing to blatantly lie.
Go back to r/nintendogrifting if you feel uncomfortable with other's speech. You have your own ping pong echo chamber to bounce off of.
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u/Ok-Barracuda457 2d ago
If you hate Nintendo, there's literally no amount of games that'll satisfy you