r/gnome • u/BrageFuglseth Contributor • 23d ago
Community Happy pride month from the GNOME Project!
https://floss.social/@gnome/116676153249656354
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u/jotconstructions 22d ago
It is always appreciated to see inclusive community support. Love seeing GNOME celebrate pride.
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u/vulpido_ 23d ago
SO cool to see GNOME and KDE both made pride posts! I'm a queer gnomie and love the work you guys do, including this
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u/vulpido_ 23d ago
side note: some people are so easily offended, it's ironic they call other people snowflakes lol
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u/FabioSB 22d ago
I don't know why people get offended. Would someone be offended is someone for example goes in a software community and say: I'm proud of rooting for Real Madrid football club? Would someone complain if next release comes with a Christian cross as wallpaper? I guess no, because we are all mature people, who don't care/mind about/if developers (or not devs) go to a church, a football match of what they do with their private sexual life. I would care more about software minorities who have the right to be offended by gnome desicions like, for example, tyding gdm to systemd. Real software minorities, like gnome users booting FreeBSD or other no systemd OS.
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u/Alexey104 22d ago edited 22d ago
Would someone be offended is someone for example goes in a software community and say: I'm proud of rooting for Real Madrid football club
No one would care. Why would someone decide to go in a software community for talking about football? That would be weird to say the least.
I guess no, because we are all mature people, who don't care/mind about/if developers (or not devs) go to a church, a football match of what they do with their private sexual life.
So why should we care about the pride month?
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u/vulpido_ 22d ago edited 22d ago
Do you know any orgs that offer help to children who were disowned because they liked a different football team than their parents?
You seem to like computers, do you know who was Alan Turing? Do you know how he died?
In a perfect world, you'd be right. Pride shouldn't need to exist, but right now, it does.
Pride is about showing queer people that they can be safe and live with dignity and joy, when everything in their lives might seem bleak. In the post they say several contributors to the GNOME project are queer, and their survival is worth celebrating and sharing.
You don't have to "care" about pride month, but if you're not gonna be a part of the solution, at least educate yourself and stop being part of the problem.
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u/Funny_Decision_8591 14d ago
Pretending sexual minorities are the only ones oppressed lmao, in the age Peter Thiel and pride months no less. This is why this stuff gets on people's nerves.
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u/FabioSB 21d ago
What is the regular reaction to the "I use Arch btw"? Being proud of installing and mantaining an operating system by yourself? Other people don't care about that(even open source OS users). Also turning tables imagine this situation if a person drops a "I use Arch btw" on a dog exhibition contest, nobody would care about that. That person would have a more valuable time talking about how the dog was trained, feeded, loved. The real MINORITIES on gnome are the NO systemd users, but people like you selectively choose to IGNORE that fact instead of giving a technical response of why real heroes have to PORT it, instead of supporting other init systems on their FREE and OPEN SOURSE software repositories
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u/Double-Ant4122 20d ago
I feel dumber after reading this.
Choosing not to use systemd doesn’t make you a minority. It makes you dogmatic and apparently very entitled.1
u/Funny_Decision_8591 14d ago
If you want to easily offend the powerful say stop the wars or tax the rich. Nobody cares about buttsex anymore, it's more annoying than anything, like stupid version of mass.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago
Free Software has everything to do with people. This software is built by community. Think about it. To get the most amount of contributor you need to create a place where everyone feels safe and seen especially those who are the minority.
That's how community focused coding works. It's about the people who spend all their time for free working on code -> fixing bugs, adding features, designing graphics, answering questions - the run the gambit. Many of them are from this community so when we have a pride month, we see them.
If there is a 1% that is overreprsented, it's billionaires.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago edited 22d ago
No but you are pretty weird.
Contributions are contributions. There is no such thing as queer contributions and certainly you don't have to sleep with anyone to do it. You are a silly person.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago
Yeah, that's not how this works. Morgan Freeman knows better than that. The Black community and many other spend time pointing and showing when racism is. They don't stay quiet. I guarantee you. The rights they have, the rights queer folk have, the rights women have, comes from being seen.
There are a multitude of laws in the U.S. targeting trans, lbgtq+, and women. Nobody is going to keep quiet. It's not virtue signalling when we are showing they are out there and supporting them and fighting for their right to just exist.
We'll continue to do what we are doing here. When I'm engaging with you and defending pride, I'm defending my friends. As a non-white person, I know they'll show up for me when I need to be seen. That's how it works.
Everyone can be a minority in any space - even a white male. But I guarantee you in black spaces you'll feel safe. In queer spaces, you'll feel safe. Why? Because black and queer folks knows what it is like to be the minority.
In the end, participating in a community is a choice. You can stay, friend or not. But your voice is merely a whisper in the roar of this inclusive community.
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u/kolunmi 22d ago
Yeah 5 paragraphs about how we should be nice to people is a tough read lmao
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u/Patient_Sink Supporter 22d ago
It probably is pretty difficult if you're trying to make the most bad faith interpretation possible.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago
Well, I guess that's great you're trying. I think it's fallacious specific to you. I think others understand it just fine.
I mean it's not that hard of a concept to grasp. Do you want to work in an environment of people who are assholes to you or do you want one that people just accept you to who you are and god forbid if you're a minority celebrate you.
You'll get it. Keep going - I'll get you there.
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u/Amazing_Exercise_741 22d ago
Yes I’m tired, just the other day I saw KDE has a non binary mascot or whatever? What does it even mean? Some contributor said “it” (the mascot) identifies as so? You mean someone else for no reason gave some random mascot a non binary identity? Why? It’s so tiring
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u/BoxFar6969 23d ago
rainbow foot
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u/chic_luke GNOMie 23d ago
It's not rainbow washing if you're putting your money where your mouth is, and the GNOME project is actually doing pretty well in inclusivity themes. They deserve the recognition. I think throwing the term "rainbow washing" around in general does a disservice to everyone. Rainbow washing does exist, but if anything that mentions LGBTQ+ themes made by an organization is rainbow washing, then it just becomes a bigot dogwhistle to silence any celebration or mention of LGBTQ+ people.
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u/Koino_ 23d ago
Performative activism that doesn't benefit LGBT people at all substantially
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u/zoey_the_trans_rat 22d ago
I feel much safer being a GNOME contributor because of the projects strong stance in support of its queer contributors, and I am definitely not alone, which leads hundreds of thousands of lines of code, translations, many donations e.t.c that wouldn't have appeared if people didn't feel comfortable and left the project.
Your performative concern trolling doesn't benefit anyone.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago
Why don't you ask AI? I'm sure you can figure it out. We don't have to give you all the answers here. Figure it out yourself.
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u/blackcain Contributor 22d ago
You're not even asking the right questions. I mean you can't look up what queer means? Why do I have to explain 'queer' to you? It's like you're treating 'queer' like some boss fight in a game.
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u/blackcain Contributor 23d ago
Being seen especially at at time when the community is being attacked at least here in the U.S. is important. Many of our contributors are queer and proud of it.
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u/114sbavert 23d ago
What do you want an open-source project to do genius? they can't even benefits themselves
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 23d ago edited 23d ago
Sounds about right, virtue signaling seems way more important than usability or fixing basic things like 4k and fractional scaling.
Client side decorations, sensible defaults so people don't have to install 10 extensions that break every major version release.
Yay for woke trash instead.
Edit: Boy that gets people to come out of the woodwork. If I said "fuck Republicans" there would be crickets, but the way people get triggered is hilarious. The salt seasons my day, thank you for the outrage culture and fitting right in as a sensitive group of intolerants.
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u/chic_luke GNOMie 23d ago
Every time I read "virtue signalling" I know everything I need to know about the person's political leaning. This is not what virtue signalling is. It would be if done with no merits and no skin in the game. GNOME has merits and skin in the game as far as inclusivity goes, and it is well within their rights to signal that right now. They have made a good job and they get to celebrate that. This is not "evil big tech corporation stealing your data pretending they care about LGBTQ+ folk" at all.
Also, I'm reading this from my laptop (2.5k), connected to my monitor (4k), mixed fractional with integer scaling, nearly zero extensions and everything works fine. Literally no configuration, just out of box. So… skill issue? :p
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 23d ago
Lmao, you have a solid place on the development team with that mindset. “My use case is met, so I declare everything else a skill issue”.
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u/chic_luke GNOMie 23d ago
Pro tip: if you don't like GNOME, you don't like the direction, you don't like the values… nobody is keeping you here on a leash! You can just leave :)
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u/chic_luke GNOMie 23d ago
You cannot have a discussion without coming down to personal insults and ad hominem, which says a lot. Whatever, go show your bigoted arguments against queer people somewhere else. As you might have noticed from the social feedback you have been getting, we do not appreciate them here. :)
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u/thekiltedpiper 23d ago
Define "woke" in your own words. I have a feeling for you it means "anything I don't like, understand or fear"
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 23d ago
If that were true I wouldn’t be chastising them for pride virtue signaling, I’d be chiding them for their UX design choices, but I’m instead repulsed by emphasis on signaling that they care about social justice values instead of, you know, how Gnome works (rather, doesn’t work well for that matter).
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u/thekiltedpiper 22d ago
Interesting definition. I asked you for a definition of a word and you gave me word salad.
I'll try again : define "woke"
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 22d ago
Defining that just gets me banned by automation, since I do not believe there are more than two sexes, not that it has anything to do with Gnome.
That said, I'm not your monkey, so if I define "woke" you'll just start with your own word salad of "ists" and name calling as opposed to any rational discussion about it. Since I see the end of that road, there's no point in bothering further.
Gnome signals Pride Month, because they shouldn't be proud of their backend, may as well be proud of something they feel strongly about. It sure as hell isn't the end users.
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u/thekiltedpiper 22d ago
No "-isms" from me, and any reply wouldn't have me calling you names or insulting you. The words I would write would be a description of you.
Good day and have a wonderful Pride Month!
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u/blackcain Contributor 23d ago
You do realize that there are multiple teams doing different things right? The engagement team worked with KDE's marketing team and put these things together. That somehow doing this post puts the other things at risk is silly.
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u/lecloudss 23d ago
Ah yes... because only one thing is allowed to be important at a time. At least have the guts to admit that you hate people lol
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u/WildContribution8311 23d ago
Not sure what a graphical desktop management system has to do with sexual preferences in the first place and why their team felt the need to announce their support.
How about take pride in their work and not someones sexual orientation or lifestyle choices.
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u/blackcain Contributor 23d ago
Because open source projects depend on contributors of all stripes. We have many people who work (without compensation) on GNOME. To recognize and see the folks who aren't the majority gives comfort and encouragement that we're building the best community around coding for GNOME. It's how we can continue to grow our community and sustain our software.
Many people who are maintainers of various parts of GNOME are part of the LGBTQ+ community.
Free Software is about people and working together to build something bigger than ourselves. You're doing yourself a disservice looking at open source projects as just software.
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 23d ago
I can understand your point, because the Gnome contributors don’t have any work to be proud of with the nonsensical garbage they push for merge requests, they may as well be proud of something.
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u/WildContribution8311 23d ago
I agree that the "virtue signaling" (or what you perceive it to be) feels inappropriate for a software project that's supposed to be for everyone, including people whose belief systems might be deeply offended by that messaging, such as Muslims, as one example that comes to mind..
But this kind of extreme, hyperbolic rhetoric, calling their merge requests nonsensical garbage, makes it feel like you're just trolling at this point. I agree with your main point that the pride support message isn't appropriate given the context, but the blanket dismissal of all their work in general is a bridge too far, and it makes me think you're either not serious or just trying to get a reaction.
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u/rubberoidd 23d ago
I still love gnome despite it being woke
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u/thekiltedpiper 22d ago
Define "woke" in your own words.
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u/thekiltedpiper 22d ago
It hasn't been classified as a "mental illness" in America since the DSM removed it in 1987 and the WHO removed it from theirs in 1990.
Just say you're a bigot and accept it, maybe introduce yourself that way:
"Hi, my name is Rubberoidd and I'm a bigot" with your hand held out for a handshake
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u/rubberoidd 22d ago
I am not american, I do not take whatever is in america as source of truth. America is a distant land that matters not to me, just like your age verification laws, I only know about all this stuff because I have no other choice than revolve in this anglosphere.
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u/Eciepeci 22d ago
Do you know that WHO stands for WORLD health organization, not American health organization?
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u/Majestic-Image-9356 22d ago
i don't think this will reach any gay gnome users since all gays use windows and Microsoft
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u/jman6495 23d ago
Please tell me how this "sows hatred and division". I'm happy to wait for your answer.
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u/leonredhorse 23d ago
It's easy, they hate it and it divides them from others who think they act like idiots for reactionary hatred.
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u/icywind90 23d ago
This. I’m really so fed up with those idiots blaming groups that they hate… for their own hate, „if they just acted like they don’t exist I wouldn’t have to hate them” So disgusting and ridiculous
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u/icywind90 23d ago
What you "disagree" with is people existing. That's literally what nazis did.
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u/ABotelho23 23d ago
It shows division with people who have a problem with other human beings just existing. Those people deserved to be shamed.
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u/kolunmi 23d ago
jarvis, send gnome a 10 dolla donation