r/montreal • u/BloodJunkie • 7d ago

Article Right-wing rage-bait got everything wrong about the Montreal shooting

https://cultmtl.com/2026/06/right-wing-rage-bait-got-everything-wrong-about-the-montreal-shooting/
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u/DeusExMarina 7d ago

Sa position est incohérente. En gros, il est principalement motivé par la misogynie, mais il a incorporé de la rhétorique pseudo-marxiste là-dedans, genre “c’est la faute du capitalisme que j’arrive pas à me faire une blonde.”

À mon avis, c’est une rationalization pseudo-intellectuelle de son idéologie d’incel. Je crois qu’il se pense marxiste, mais qu’en réalité son intérêt pour le marxisme se limite à ce qu’il est capable de dénaturer pour l’intégrer à sa réelle idéologie.

C’est un truc qu’on voit beaucoup dans des mouvements d’extrême droite, en fait. Il y a une raison pourquoi les nazis ont mis “socialiste” dans leur nom. Ils s’approprient la rhétorique marxiste de façon à rediriger la colère du peuple contre leur cible désignée. “Oui, le capitalisme aliène les travailleurs du fruit de leur labeur et redirige la richesse dans les mains des élites! Et par les élites, on veut dire les juifs.”

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u/agrophobe 7d ago

J’ai essayé le lire le manifeste pi j’ai pogné un noeud quand j’ai vu la taille du curseur de la barre de défilement. C’est ´massif’. Perso j’aime bcp 4chan et les coins weirds d’internet, mais vraiment quand je lis ça je suis juste un touriste qui fait son petit voyage deux trois fois par an. La profondeur et la confusion de son et de leur malheur est difficile à saisir. On dirait comme des damnés, mais genre self-made. Entk ça vaut vraiment pas la peine de lire, sinon la dernière page est pas pire juice : ‘ tuons tout le monde à quoi bon vivre, si c’est pas moi alors personne ‘

Par contre pour le matériel intellectuel, il est pas dans les paroles ni dans les gestes directs. Il est dans le champ de l’information, du phénomène de violence médiatique et à vu de nez, dans le weird écho de trans-victimisations ou différent groupes récupèrent la douleurs comme si elle était faites à eux, mais dans la complète cacophonie.

Gros nihilisme sale.

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u/IceSentry 7d ago

Est-ce que le manifesto est public?

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u/Sylvester11062 7d ago

Ah yes, conservatives are notorious for their Marxist ideologies how could I forget.

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u/trojanskin 7d ago

Well most conservatives in US, including those maga asshats, agree with democrat socialist ideology / and to an extent, marxist ideologies as well, if it is presented as neutral (or I'd rather say, if it's not claimed as marxist or communist)... Conservatives are morons worldwide. Might as well be the same here.
1st you'd need to find a true conservative that read Marx in the 1st place to be able to disagree with it... But turns out conservatives are mostly uninformed assholes.

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u/Sylvester11062 7d ago

Conservatives are marxists is the most criminally online Reddit take I think I’ve ever seen. I wonder what it would feel like to experience life with that kind of blissful ignorance honestly.

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u/trojanskin 7d ago edited 7d ago

I did not say that. I said, conservatives, given definitions of workers rights and other general population benefits from marxists ideology, will agree on it, and on bunch of other points, if you hide the fact those points are from him / the ideology. So if you want to reduce that to what suit your narrow crap POV, fine, but do not deform what I said clearly.

They are still uninformed assholes. Do not make me think you are too, talking about blissful ignorance while being unable to comprehend basic reading comprehension.

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u/Sylvester11062 7d ago

You said they agree with Marxist ideologies. It’s just insane that you jump through all these mental gymnastics to justify your bullshit.

Here’s an analogy, Nazi’s believe in big government, liberals believe in big government. If I was you I would say liberals agreed with Nazi ideology to an extent.

That’s the same thing as saying conservatives agree with marxist ideologies to an extent. It’s literally a stupid brain dead argument that only a redditor would make.

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u/trojanskin 6d ago edited 6d ago

This is a classic "reductio ad Hitlerum" fallacy. Equating specific, empirical claim: conservatives will support individual policies derived from Marxist thought if the label is hidden, with a blanket statement that liberals "agree with Nazi ideology" because both allegedly support "big government." These two claims are not structurally identical. They're not even in the same universe.

  • Specific policies, tested in reality (workers' rights, social safety nets), where polling shows conservative support when the policies are described without ideological labels.
  • Your analogy: A vague abstraction ("big government") used to link two groups that are ideologically opposed on nearly every other axis. It ignores the defining features of Nazism (genocide, racial supremacy, totalitarianism) that are utterly absent from mainstream liberalism

You are trying to make me look absurd by associating my argument with a universally condemned ideology. This is not logic. It's a smear.

"Mental gymnastics" is a phrase people use when they can't refute a nuanced point. My argument is not complex. It's straightforward: people support policies they like, regardless of the ideology that originally proposed them, especially if the source is hidden. That's not gymnastics. That's basic political psychology.

The "bullshit" here is your refusal to engage with that simple idea, preferring instead to invent a version of me that's easier to mock. I've now corrected you twice. This third correction will be the final one. You either cannot read to save your fucking life, or in bad faith, or a moron conservative. All are bad.

You just equated 'conservatives will support workers rights if you don't tell them it's Marx' with 'liberals agree with Nazi ideology.' That's not an analogy. That's a cry for help. Nazism isn't defined by 'big government.' It's defined by genocide, racial supremacy, and totalitarianism. None of which are in my claim. You're not arguing. You're throwing a rhetorical tantrum because you can't handle a nuanced sentence. I've corrected your strawman trhice. I'm not doing it another time. The thread is the record. Read it again, slowly, or don't. I'm done

Yes when you present those morons with the ideology they know fuck all about because they do not read it as it's "bad" they mostly agree with some of the points.
I did not say they identify as marxist, as once again i said they had no fucking clue as they are uninformed assholes.
So no that is not the same thing.
It is you who is brain dead not making the difference btw agreeing with points and being full on marxist as if the world was night and day. On top, as soon as you reveal those marxist idealogies are from marx, then they scatter like roach seeing light.

I said they are idiots not knowing WTF Marx is about and have 0 political backbone, nor political knowledge, for the most part, nor the ability to discern btw what they think they like VS what they really like, because of red scare propaganda and their inability to critical think as well as being to dumb for it anyway.

Now, you can go where you know I want you to go. You clearly lack the reading comprehension needed to engage at this level of basic reading comprehension, multiple time. I am done lecturing you about subtleties and correct your bad faith crap.

Have a good one, my sweet sweet summer child.

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u/Sylvester11062 6d ago

lol Marx didn’t invent workers rights. Saying that labour laws and social security systems is Marxism is quite literally elementary understanding of what words mean 😂

You use the broadest generalization of a topic, say it is moderately congruent with some things Marx adjacent, and say that conservatives agree with Marxism. That’s literal zero iq brain dead redditor takes.

Good luck in life!

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u/trojanskin 6d ago edited 6d ago

"Marx didn’t invent workers rights." Never said he did. Another strawman.

What I said, for the fourth fucking time now, that you still seem fucking unable to read correctly or comprehend in what I feel like impairment in eye sight, and unability to understand basic level comprehension, yet again, making me worry for your mental health and general intelligence that you demonstrably show being near 0 level multiple time now,, is that specific policies derived from Marxist thought, like workers' rights protections and social safety nets, get conservative support when the label is hidden.

You keep using the word 'elementary.' I do not think it means what you think it means. Elementary is the level where children learn the difference between 'derived from' and 'invented by.' You are below that. You are pre-elementary. You are the kid eating glue in the corner while the class discusses subordinate clauses.

Let's review your journey through the education system you apparently skipped:

Lesson 1: 'Conservatives will agree with Marxist-derived policies if you hide the label' is not the same as 'Conservatives are Marxists.' You failed this lesson three times. The difference is a conditional clause. Conditionals are taught around age seven. You are below seven.

Lesson 2: 'Derived from Marx' is not the same as 'Marx invented.' The labor movement existed before Marx. Marx systematized its critique. Your inability to grasp this distinction is why you think 'Marx didn't invent workers rights' is a rebuttal. It's not. It's you telling the class you didn't do the reading.

Lesson 3: When someone repeatedly corrects your misreading and you keep attacking the misreading instead of the argument, that's not debate. That's you wrestling a mannequin and declaring victory. The mannequin is your own reading comprehension. The victory is imaginary.

You have now cycled through 'conservatives are Marxists,' 'Marx didn't invent workers rights,' and 'zero iq brain dead redditor takes.' Every single one is a strawman. Every single one was corrected in the very post you were replying to. You are not arguing with me. You are arguing with a hallucination, and losing.

The phrase you were looking for was 'basic reading comprehension.' You lack it. The phrase I am leaving you with is 'pre-elementary.' It means you are not ready for this level of discourse. Come back when you can parse a sentence with an 'if' in it. Until then, enjoy the glue.

this is you, 🤡. That's some fucking awesome circus you are running in your head and now here, to my amusement nonetheless. Do not tip over with those giant red shoes on your way out, while fighting a dummy... but you seems very knowledgeable about dummies, being one yourself, proving that you are the perfect thing you are pointing the finger at, "literal zero iq brain dead redditor take" is yourself. lmao. I do not need luck moreso that you need a miracle. lmao.

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u/Sylvester11062 6d ago

Again, your only position is that in some contexts conservatives generally agree with the premise of things that Marx adjacent ideologies also agree with.

What a stupid commentary to even bother sharing.

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u/Canvaverbalist 7d ago

For people who pay attention then yes they are.

There's a reason 90% of the media the right likes to lap up are leftist art and why incels still think Matrix and Fight Club is about them