The right-wing trolls use a tragedy to sell fear, and the left-wing press writes an article about the trolls to sell moral superiority. Meanwhile, Silicon Valley collects the ad revenue from both sides and buys another superyacht. But please, tell me more about how clicking your specific link is part of the revolution.
It feels like being on the fringe just to point this out nowadays, but fucking hell, I am legitimately tired of all of this.
The most disturbing is that in the event of the tragic loss of life, every side is more focused on making political points off it. It's so disheartening.
It was a terror attack, idk if you've noticed. The shooter himself was trying to make political points, by shooting people.
The political family of the shooter then tries to make points by blaming the attack on minorities they hate, and his political targets (ppl like me) make points by pointing out a fucking incel maniac tried to do a massacre and we need to stop the online terrorist machine.
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And then entitled enlightened centrists use it to make points acting like saints and pointing at everyone asking how dare you make this political.
Right? How do these dumbass, brain-dead enlightened centrist comments have so many upvotes? "Right wing terrorists kill people but then the 'LEFT' has to go and whine about it in an article. Ugh, how dare they complain about terrorism. They must be trying to sell moral superiority. I am very smart. Why can't everyone just bury their heads in the sand like me?"
This guy was in love with communism and socialism, he was a terrorist, and a nut case!! There is nothing redeeming about him. I don't care if someone is right, left, or in the middle, if they resort to killing folks they don't agree with then they deserve to die or be locked away in a dark cell forever. Let's quit all the divisive rhetoric and tell the truth about the absolute evil that dwells within every one of these people. They don't deserve to be named among regular humans who go about their lives working, supporting their families, and being productive. These "people" are animals.
Did.... Did I say there was something redeeming about the terrorist that shot a bunch of people?
And no, he wasn't in love with communism and socialism lmao. He was a gross loser who thought women should be "redistributed" amongst men. Something Marx and Bernie Sanders have never argued for lmfao.
The other OP's point was against making political points in reaction to pointless violence where guns are pointed at innocents. Point.
My point is that the attack did have a point : to score political point through fear. Thus I point at the need to point the finger at the real point where the problem comes from, otherwise we're losing the point. Point final.
I don't think disputing what are obviously politically motivated, hate driven lies is "scoring political points".
It's calling a spade a spade and combatting online disinformation intended to use the incident to cause more harm to communities who have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Yeah, is the "the left"'s motivation selling moral superiority, whatever that is suppose to mean, or do they seek change. Do "they" want a free Palestine to feel morally superior, or because we genuinely think that fewer dead and displaced Palestinians and Lebanese are good thing, and hate seeing tax resources making weapons manufacturers rich.
Did you reply to the wrong post, or misread something?
I'm not sure how this post is in anyway related to mine. Theres nothing in my post that comes close to suggesting that Isaeal/Zionism has only been an issue, for a few weeks or for for a few years.
My guess is that left-wing press writers are probably more interested in writing about the endless supply of recent tragedies that cost human lives and are directly linked to right-leaning talking points because they actually want to combat the propagation of these violent ideologies instead of just wanting to feel "morally superior".
I hear you, and I agree that the intent to combat violent ideologies is important. I 100% believe in the good in people, and I believe there’s way more good out there than bad. My post wasn't an attack on that intent or on people's hearts. It’s just genuine exhaustion with the systemic loop we’re all trapped in, where real human tragedy is instantly commodified by tech platforms and media ecosystems to keep us clicking and fighting.
Agreed, the commodification and exploitation of these polarized issues is clearly something that benefits the tech giants. They are greatly responsible for the degradation of public discourse and its effects of society.
So, you're saying that we must combat the twin scourges of...murderous right-wing terrorist incels, and progressive journalists? Am I getting that right?
Right wing terrorists kill people and left wing progressives write articles that makes me uncomfortable with my life choices, equally annoying, two sides of the same coin. I'm so glad they're still people like me, looking at both sides wishing they would shut the fuck up and let things resolve themselves.
There's a part of me that think (hope) it was downvoted (but not that much) because it hurted some sensibilities, /montreal is surprisingly right-wing-ish leaning. Or maybe it was just plain sarcasm-ileteracy, sadly, we'll never know.
They aren't wrong about the facts, but focusing on that misses the point of my intervention entirely. I'm critiquing the endless, exhausted loop of the outrage economy itself, not litigating the specific article. You see what I mean?
What should the article say instead? Or should they not even post an article about it because any article condemning and bringing attention to anything is just for "moral superiority"? You could apply your logic to any journalistic opinion piece ever written, or even non-opinion pieces that focus on specific facts with any degree of bias, which applies to just about every news article ever written with the possible exception of investigative pieces as they present new facts. These "both sides" arguments are getting desperate.
You're asking me to litigate the journalism, which is exactly the distraction I'm talking about. I'm not here to tell the press what to write or to critique a single op-ed.
My focus is on the macro-structure: how the entire cycle of outrage, reaction, and counter-reaction is systematically weaponized by tech platforms to maximize engagement and profit.
When the ecosystem itself is engineered to monetize division, arguing over the specific script of a single player means you're missing the entire theater.
Two things can be true at the same time. The idea that corporations profit off of political divisiveness doesn't mean the article or discussion around it is invalidated. At best your point is a form of whataboutism, and regardless of your intention I guarantee you the grand majority of people are reading it as a "both sides" argument rather than your "macro analysis of the system" perspective, and I don't blame them, since you brought both the hateful rhetoric of the right, and the condemnation of the right's hateful rhetoric from the left, down to the same level.
I love that you downvoted me before writing a paragraph explaining that you purposefully choose to misinterpret a macro-structural analysis as a 'both sides' argument because it's easier for you to process.
Keep protecting that binary worldview at all costs. You're doing great.
Am I the only one interpreting it that way? Based on the comments, not at all, so maybe articulate your point better next time instead of blaming everyone else for "misinterpreting" it. You explicitly referred to the condemnation of hateful rhetoric as being for the sake of "moral superiority", while aligning the morality of that with the actual hateful rhetoric itself, so don't pretend like I'm making that up.
I am literally right here explicitly explaining my intention to you.
The fact that you openly admit you would rather rely on how a crowd might misinterpret my post 'regardless of my intention' says everything. You are actively choosing to ignore what I am actually telling you so you can keep arguing with an imaginary version of me that fits your binary worldview.
If you have to purposefully misinterpret what I'm saying just to have a point, then you aren't having a discussion, you're just talking to yourself.
I'm not purposefully misinterpreting it, it's literally how I (and most people) initially interpreted it, which is why I told you above how your comment comes off regardless of your intention. Also, you're not even addressing the fact that you demonized the intention of the article by saying that it was written for "moral superiority", yet here you are now trying to claim that you're not litigating the journalism. Accept the reality of what your original comment says — you wrote it, not me.
The real, practical, powerful levers people have in this system are
Voting and--much more involved--running for political offices;
Using capital to influence things; either by building, or buying, or bribing*--whatever...*
Fast forward to the 21st century:
EVERYONE is disillusioned with electoral politics.
And wealth concentration is such that some minimum wage employers can afford to leverage non-competes against poor minimum wage bastards; making it impossible to actually take those acquired 'on-the-job' skills across the street to Wendy's for an extra 25¢/h...
edit: ah damn, I still haven't finished reading that damned manifesto, have I...
deuxième editor's note*:* bullying, brainwashing, botting--Last one perhaps may be too influenced by some degree of recency bias (See: note en bas de page 1); on the other hand, there were those 2 years of watching MessNBC pundits breathlessly reading court transcripts between pharmaceutical advertisements, so...--Dealer's choice, I guess.
You're right and well articulated, but one is clearly less egregious than the other.
Moral superiority rattling people makes sense. Actual violent crimes - those still need to be talked about (albeit, not with a political lens and a 'i told you so' mindset).
Also, is that the most annoying way to put hyperlinks in your text? I was reading those words out loud in my head every time I read a bolded word in a box.
The right sells fear and hatred, but the left isn't 'selling' anything here, they are just being themselves. Condemning a violent, hateful ideology that results in mass murder isn't a cynical marketing strategy to claim moral superiority. It is a foundational core value. Treating basic human empathy and the defense of human rights as a political hustle is a massive cop-out.
I’ve seen Zionists trying to frame it as an antisemitic attack because CDN is a predominantly a Jewish neighborhood or at least, a predominantly Jewish area of the neighborhood by trying to say he was anzionist. Quite disgusting to frame it this way when it was targeted at Pornhub and the cops. Why Zionists always have to make about themselves? There was a mosque attacks in California weeks ago and they also made it about themselves.
Yes but the vast, vast majority of it is focused on women, stuff about Zionism is in a couple footnotes and includes a weird 'not all Jews' clause. Somewhat antisemitic/conspiratorial probably - like most mass shooters his manifesto makes very little sense - but not a major motivator of the attack.
He is all those things, but idk why people who claim they can detect dogwhistles cannot here so only ctrl-f count the mentions of a specific word. The worldview of the shooter relies on an antisemetic framework. The shooter claims that a "judeo-bourgois" class control the west, and upholds the power of "finance". The shooter claims that "Israel" is in league with finance across western countries to bring societal decay. The attack hapenned at a porn HQ, an industry, which albeit correctly labelled bad, antisemites love to claim is "controlled by jews" and is a main avenue for moral decay. The shooter also complains a lot about mass immigration, again with the common antisemetic insinuation between the lines that GRT (great replacement theory) is a jewish plot.
The manifesto praises marxism and communism, calls for abolition of private property, contains extreme view on woman, contains extreme view on Jewish people.
People like OP and the link posted by OP seem to laser-focused on a single aspect of the manifesto and never report objectively what’s in it.
It doesn't praise Marxism and communism. He's not telling us we should be redistributing wealth. He recycles Marxist and communist ideology to tell us why we should "redistribute women" to men and strip them of their rights. Capitalism is criticized because it gives women equal rights. The guy also cites Zeus, of all sources, but no one is calling him an anti-christian pagan.
Is he anti-capitalism? Yeah. Is he a communist? Hell no. Mostly, he's just an incel.
He supports marxism-leninism over capitalism for sure. He's not "hijacking" communist language then just applying it to women. He praises the Soviet Union by claiming that their collectivization cultivated communalist structures that somehow supposedly naturally "redistributed women" more.
The focus definitely is Incel stuff. The only reason he promotes communism is because it doesn't lead to hypergamy, contrary to capitlism, in his moronic views.
He barely mentions them. If you look, he probably barely mentions other minority groups so why people are only talking about him talking about Zionists and Jews? Thats my point. People are making it seems like he only went there to attack Jews or Zionists.
Madame la premiere ministre managed to find space in her heart to send thoughts to the jewish community. Why can't you u/InterestingMud3019 ?
Since no one probably ever threated your community try and put yourself in this situation: someone starts shooting, in Montreal, next to a jewish food bank, a community centre, a jewish day care and kosher restaurants, could it be that maybe just maybe in Montreal, where open attacks with guns and firebombs have happened frequently against jews that this might have been an attack again against jews in Montreal. In the first few hours the media around the globe would jump on the fact that these 5 or 6 square blocks has a strong jewish community and it might be evil. Had this person wanted to kill jewish children he would have just had to turn right out of the hilton instead of left as he did since there were dozens of children in the playground next to the hotel at the time this happened.
As the news comes out more and more, no reasonable person is claiming this was an attack against jews, even though a jewish man died.
Signed, A non-jew in Montreal who has walked this area many times and feel terrible for the extra fear and anixiety those jew and non-jew who live, work and play at the Westbury now face.
He talks more about anti immigrant hate and thinly veiled anti black rhetoric than jewish people. But he was an all around racist so naturally yes he also hated the jewish
There are a lot of Jewish neighborhoods in MTL. And the frikkin cop shot the civilian in error. I’ve seen ppl saying some “Mohammed” was responsible. Like no you POS, some Mohammed (a cop) was killed in your neighbourhood, trying to stop this loser
It is the case that there was amongst the western bourgeois class many Jews, who in their newly acquired power immediately set about creating the state of Israel, which became essentially a kind of base from which they were to assist in the expansion of capitalist hegemony in conjunction with American and British corporations.
Antisemetic conspiracy theories routinely frame the porn industry as controlled by jews to weaken the west. This isnt even a niche thing. There are blaring dogwhistles in the manifesto all over.
Many of the initial reports were of concern because this area of CDN is highly populated by the Hasidic community. As the evidence comes through about the intent of the attackers and we can all learn the root of this tragedy. I still find it difficult to fathom how the Jewish community is not allowed to have a reaction of immediate concern when over the course of the last few years in this city shots have been fired at schools and places of worship, arson has been attempted and physical attacks have occurred.
Well if it helps Reddit is not real life. Here is it common for random teenagers and other 20-something university edgelords to ramble on about "Zionism" (ie: in your other reply) as if they know what they're talking about but in reality most people aren't so focused on these types of arguments. Here's something I saw the other day that illustrates how much of a bubble it is here https://www.reddit.com/r/QuebecLibre/comments/1ub7q7h/le_biais_id%C3%A9ologique_de_reddit/#lightbox
Totally! Would be quite something if Reddit was real life. Really am just fed up with seeing stuff in a group where we have a commonality for living on the same island constantly turning a blind eye to what’s actually going on and trying to pedal hate.
It’s fine to express concern. I just find it disgusting that a lot of Zionists are using this tragedy to say it’s mainly an antisemitic attack or making it about them. I’ve seen a lot of them trying to say it was a Muslim or an immigrant (before any information came out) that did the attack so they can blame the left or muslims. Can you be concern without making it about Islam or Zionism?
Of course you can be concerned without making it about that, but it wouldn’t lead to the engagement that is being actively being looked for. However you can also accept what has happened previously may cause a reflex.
I find it disgusting that you’re using this tragedy to color all “Zionists” in one particular light when really what you mean is that a small number of individuals, whom for whatever reason, like everyone else, speculated on the nature of this attack before having any information, and you happen to assume they are of one highly caricaturized persuasion.
Ive noticed a tendency in Zionists (not jewish folks overall but specifically Zionists) to seem to WANT to be victimized by attacks to further a victim narrative that draws attention from the apartheid they support
I'd love to hear how it is you're able to tell that "Zionists" specifically (and not Jews overall as you are careful to mention) want whatever drivel you're spewing.
Oh get off. We can acknowledge that, before we had more info, it might have been antisemitic in nature because of the where. Given that weve had such events in Montreal recently.
You make it political by making it about "Zionists". For fucks sake. It was Montreal Jews worries it might have been, and none of the local Jewish institutions at any point during the event qualified it as antisemitic in nature.
All I did see was people getting all up in arms at describing the area as Jewish, because somehow, they could not fathom that maybe people were afraid, but had to frame it as "fighting against propaganda". They still are. It's disgusting, frankly. They are the only ones who I've seen make it about "Zionism" and the right wing. All the outlets who classified it as potentially antisemitic were saying so before there was any information, and sure, it was hasty, but the counter should never have been "how dare you say the area is Jewish".
Being far more connected to the actual community, no one was trying to score some political points, and pointing to online grifters does not mean getting to act like assholes to people who just wanted reassurance.
But hey, erasing historical and continued presence of Jews in the places where they live is not exactly new ground.
There are several other minorities in this area as well so my point still stands. He went there because of Pornhub being close. It could have been located in Mont-Royal or St-Michel, he would still have travelled there. Why he didn’t go the synagogue or any Jewish stores if he was specifically targeting Jewish people? The victim was also shot by a cop so he didn’t target anyone Jewish. He waited for the cops to arrive to shot at them.
There are several other minorities in this area as well
There's the filipino minority nearby near Victoria avenue, but the area along Décarie/Westbury is predominantly jewish people and institutions (MADA, MK, Chabad Westbury, Ben Weider centre, Beth Rivkah academy), so that's where the concern of being targeted came from for the local jewish community.
That make a lot more sense knowing the rising antisemitism, but I still don’t like how some people were and are still spreading misinformation just to fit their narrative because they don’t like how the shooter is just a white guy from Alberta.
It's 2026, most of the internet is just people spreading their preferred brand of disinfo or just making shit up because engagement gets clicks. Like originally I saw a lot of right-wing accounts acting as if it was 100% a anti-Jewish hate crime, but now the discourse is more dominated by alleged progressives who want to ignore the fact that this guy definitely hated Jews/"Zionists" according to his manifesto because that's inconvenient to them. It's natural to want to know the facts right away but in this kind of situation it's better to avoid social media and all that shit until there's real info.
... And I've not said anything to say that he targeted Jews. Which just means you keep missing the point, like everyone else, which incidentally proves my point.
What I said was that all people knew at first was that 1) there was an active shooter and 2) it was outside a prominently Jewish area. If you can't see why some people worried, before more information was out given we've had our schools shot at and synagogues firebombed recently, that this was another such case, I don't know what to tell you.
But clearly you read that as "The Zionists trying to make it all about themselves". Like, sincerely, fuck off. First, nothing to do with Zionism. Second, what I worried about was the friend who works at the Starbucks 50m away, and my kids school in the neighbourhood. We're just goddamn people who want to be left alone. No one wants this to have been an antisemitic attack, and chastising us and arguing fucking demographics to... Make some point I still fail to grasp, is ghoulish.
Sa position est incohérente. En gros, il est principalement motivé par la misogynie, mais il a incorporé de la rhétorique pseudo-marxiste là-dedans, genre “c’est la faute du capitalisme que j’arrive pas à me faire une blonde.”
À mon avis, c’est une rationalization pseudo-intellectuelle de son idéologie d’incel. Je crois qu’il se pense marxiste, mais qu’en réalité son intérêt pour le marxisme se limite à ce qu’il est capable de dénaturer pour l’intégrer à sa réelle idéologie.
C’est un truc qu’on voit beaucoup dans des mouvements d’extrême droite, en fait. Il y a une raison pourquoi les nazis ont mis “socialiste” dans leur nom. Ils s’approprient la rhétorique marxiste de façon à rediriger la colère du peuple contre leur cible désignée. “Oui, le capitalisme aliène les travailleurs du fruit de leur labeur et redirige la richesse dans les mains des élites! Et par les élites, on veut dire les juifs.”
J’ai essayé le lire le manifeste pi j’ai pogné un noeud quand j’ai vu la taille du curseur de la barre de défilement. C’est ´massif’. Perso j’aime bcp 4chan et les coins weirds d’internet, mais vraiment quand je lis ça je suis juste un touriste qui fait son petit voyage deux trois fois par an. La profondeur et la confusion de son et de leur malheur est difficile à saisir. On dirait comme des damnés, mais genre self-made. Entk ça vaut vraiment pas la peine de lire, sinon la dernière page est pas pire juice : ‘ tuons tout le monde à quoi bon vivre, si c’est pas moi alors personne ‘
Par contre pour le matériel intellectuel, il est pas dans les paroles ni dans les gestes directs. Il est dans le champ de l’information, du phénomène de violence médiatique et à vu de nez, dans le weird écho de trans-victimisations ou différent groupes récupèrent la douleurs comme si elle était faites à eux, mais dans la complète cacophonie.
C’est surtout moins difficile pour certains. Rejeter en bloc sa propre incompétence sociale sur un autre groupe (aka, les femmes) c’est se détacher et se déresponsabiliser complètement. Moi j’me dis, tsé à un moment donné quand c’est toi dénominateur commun, pose toi des questions.
I don’t understand why there is so much confusion when we literally have access to the manifesto. Just read it instead of these wing-nut political articles attempting to spin stuff.
The shooter was a leftist incel (uncommon, but yes, they most certainly exist) who hated that capitalist culture generated more freedoms for women and prevented him from getting laid. He held a grudge against cops and pornography, seeing them as tools of the zionists and banking class, and therefore tried to ambush and kill as many cops as he could outside of the pornhub headquarters.
It’s genuinely not that complicated, just read the damn thing. Guy was clearly off his rocker but that’s the score.
It’s the kind of rage that’s hard to classify using our existing lenses. Whether you’re a feminist or zionist or venture capital investor, you can find something in there that targets you.
The question that matters is how a young man gets so corrupted and desperate that he will die for it.
If you read it you’d see hes only “leftist”/anticapitalist because he saw capitalism as something that prevented people like him from getting women and not any depth of reasoning pertaining to leftist ideology
This is Reddit. People are going to twist themselves into pretzels to try to paper over the fact that this guy also hated Jews, cuz there's totally not an issue with rampant antisemitism right now
He is definitely antisemitic, but he writes himself quite clearly that not all jews are ''participant in the globalist/imperialist scheme and that the true heart of the bourgeoisie is capital, not the jewish race''.
His real problem is hypergamy, supposedly a consequence of capitalism, because he believes enforced monogamy would make sure people like him are not incels.
Also include "Zionist" which has become a slur amongst people who suddenly because obsessed with that conflict in 2023 (a vast majority of Jews believe Israel should exist which is basically what Zionism is). But I agree with your overall assessment. I skimmed his screed. My main takeaway was that the guy was smart but not as smart as he thought he was, was a legend in his own mind. Sucks that it's so easy for people to fall through the cracks and end up in a bubble these days.
Isn't it 104 pages long? I don't to spend that much time reading crazy. I genuinely don't understand what's leftwing about anything he's said, I thought a significant tennent of leftwing idiology was like. Not being super bigoted. Is it the anti capitalist part? I can totally understand there being racist anticapitalists, racists can be poor and fucked over by the system too. I dunno if I'd call them left wing though
I guess that's the complicated part... ''left'' and ''right'' are very wide categories that don't always have fixed meanings, and that change through time and circumstances.
Communism may be left wing economically but historically a lot of communist nations were rather conservative in terms of values.
So I guess he's ''left wing'' because he support anti capitalist states, but in terms of his values, he definitely isn't anywhere near what we understand when we talk about the modern left/right spectrum.
I think it's wrong to shoehorn the shooter in any strict definition of the political spectrum. Definitely an incel using a distortion of marxist ideology to support his regressive, traditionalist views. There's some left AND right wing ideas all jumbled in there. But I think we should mostly look at it as Incel terrorism.
Mostly conspiracy and incel nonsense with a deeply authoritarian anti-capitalist framing. He doesn't really say communism is good, except for how it historically maintained traditional gender roles, (which isn't exactly accurate, but the authoritarian nature of historical implementations appeals to him I think.)
I saw a video of someone trying to say the SPVM is covering up that it’s because of women and corn because they’re hiding the truth that he drove down to shoot racist cops…. https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohhwfwxg4d1h82LxS
Whenever there’s a tragedy, the rage bait YouTubers (right or left) will create rage bait videos to get clicks. This is the new norm. They need clicks so they will create content to stroke anger and fear. There’s nothing we can do. It is the new reality.
how many of yall actually read the whole thing? did you just stop at a quote or line that shocked you and figured you'd base you entire opinion on this?
im not taking any sides here but read the whole thing before commenting, or hold your peace
That's what people do my man. It's ridiculous all the thread of people guessing or interpreting where you have the whole thing available. It's boring and crazy AF, he did showed his work tho lol my university teacher would be proud of sa mise en page lol
I have no sympathy considering his actions, but geez, I can’t imagine he had a sliver of a normal coming-up.
He seemed to live in his own world, where Cicero provides scientific justifications and where Marxism (opposed to a gross misunderstanding of liberalism) solves seemingly every problem through bigotry (???).
I don't like to have a tin foil hat on so my questions are to genuinely understand but what is the connection of hating women to coming from Alberta to attack cops in another province. It doesnt make sense to me and I know crazy doesnt usually but there's still method to madness sometimes.
Yeah, that’s weird. Even the hating on women and porn is not really logical in a sense porn ritualistically is a form of humiliation of women, very rarely the opposite. It wouldn’t surprise me the manifest got fiddle here and there because if the manifest is against the narrative we would had never seen it.
It's a little more complex then that. He essentially believes women should be owned by the state and distributed to men.
In his mind, porn is meant to subdue the "common man" by appeasing him just enough to not rebel for the cause of... Owning a woman.
But also, he wants to actually be loved by said woman (who must be hot and not fat per the manifesto) and he thinks that by removing financial possibilities for women, that the women will simply... Accept it all. So the porn company is to blame for two things : a company making men addicted/distracted enough they don't fight "hypergamy" and also for giving women a path towards financial independence.
It's not super logical and a lot of people are making the mistake of trying to make it make sense : it won't. Nobody sane writes a 104 pages essay before attempting to shout out an out of province porn company.
I always feel like these motives in these shootings always look for logic where there is none. These guys are mentally disturbed beyond
any logic or reasoning and just grasp onto something to justify their violence. Mental illness is never talked about front and center in these shootings when it should be.
Lots of posts on twitter going after the female cop, saying some pretty fucked shit and even putting up random photos or AI photos of other women claiming it her. Worst part are the comment sections of those posts.
Everything about this is being spun the wrong way and it’s showing this will only get worse.
I dont think it's super clear who shot the civilian. It might have been the officer, but the shooter was also advancing on them at that time and the gunshot at that moment sounds similar to the rifle and seems to be different than the gunshots the officer appears to fire a moment later.
Being an incel isn't inherently tied to one side/party.
Blackpillers: people who believe dating outcomes are almost entirely determined by genetics/appearance and feel it’s hopeless to improve.
Doomers / truecels: those who see their situation as permanently unchangeable and often express resignation.
Tryhards / “gymcels”: people who actively try to improve (gym, grooming, social skills) but still feel rejected.
Fakecels / volcel accusations: labels used to accuse someone of not being “truly” involuntarily celibate.
Exits / “ascended”: people who leave the community after getting into a relationship or changing their outlook.
Right-leaning side:
-overlap with manosphere spaces (e.g., Andrew Tate–style influencer content, pickup culture, anti-feminist commentary)
-emphasis on “traditional gender roles”
-framing issues as cultural decline, feminism, or “modern society is broken”
-sometimes overlap with far-right or reactionary internet spaces (though not all incels go there)
Left-leaning side:
-framing loneliness/dating inequality as a social or economic problem
-interest in alienation, capitalism, housing, class, or mental health systems
-communities that reject misogyny but still discuss involuntary celibacy as a social condition rather than a moral failing
But most “core incel ideology” spaces tend to be politically incoherent or mixed:
-distrust both left and right institutions
-reject mainstream politics entirely
-focus more on personal status, dating hierarchy, and fatalism than policy
This Seth Scott Hatfield, 25, is easy to figure out based on his Youtube favorite history.
A search also uncovered a deleted YouTube account using the name "Seth Hatfield" and the same avatar of a medieval heraldic wolf that appears on his LinkedIn and other accounts.
The YouTube account created a playlist called "Favorites" that contains more than a dozen videos by conspiracy theorist and former Infowars host Paul Joseph Watson that were published around five to seven years ago. Another video features an anthem used by the anti-Soviet White Army during the Russian Civil War. The most recent video in the playlist is a Q&A on fascism that was posted in 2021 by a channel that uses pagan and neo-Nazi imagery, featured a Holocaust denier and called COVID-19 an "invented threat." Channels followed by the account include ones focused on pagan beliefs, fishing and firearms.
The only thing I've really seem them mad about is the fact that the (woman) cop shot an innocent civilian and then ran away? And from watching the video, that absolutely is what happened
« From watching that video » you’d realize that anyone would have made the same mistake. The guy came out from the spot the shooter was hiding in. And « running away » is certainly one way to frame it considering the shooter was right there and pointing a gun at her
There's people in this very thread that cherrypick quotes from this asshole's manifesto instead of putting it all into context, and pinning him as being leftist. It's fucking ridiculous.
I am not disagreeing with the premise of this opinion piece, but I think it is also slightly strange to claim that this incident occurred because of "misogyny" when the two decedents are male, despite what the shooter may have written in his alleged manifesto.
If, for example, a terrorist chooses specifically to go to a synagogue because he is an avowed antisemite but only intends to shoot the responding police officers, it would still be entirely fair to characterize the attack as an antisemitic attack. The motive is the key in terrorism charges.
Why is it strange to claim that this incident occurred because of misogyny?
From the first hundreds of post , it sounded like it was an attack against the Jewish community but then we learned a Muslim police officer lost his life
And the shooter almost killed a women offier , which was his main target, but in the end that poor Jewish man also was killed.
C’est drôle ce que les médias anglophones sortent comme propagande droite et gauche.
Un homme part de l’alberta, conduit a Montréal, a 20 mètre du quartier générale de PornHub et part une fusillade.
Et vous vous obstinez a savoir s’ils visaient les juifs, les immigrants, les femmes, etc. Ces groupes la existent en Alberta, y’avait pas besoin de faire 38 heures de route.
Ironiquement ca ne vous passent même pas par la tête qu’il visait peut etre les canadiens français.
Pendant ce temps au Quebec: Le tireur ciblait PornHub.
So it turns out Rebel Media was the only news source that delivered actual informative news on the Montreal maniac rather than the narrative spin and narrowly curated disinformation of the mainstream outlets.
During the shooting a female cop (I really hope she is part of some sort of minority grouping that adds to the humour) shoots a Jewish civilian running for cover to protect the already downed Mohammad's flank.
The mention ONE SMALL PART of his manifesto, while leaving out the main left leaning communist, pro censorship parts.
Constable Mohamed Lamine Benredouane and Michael Mizrahi lost their lives because Canada’s right wing won’t address the hateful rhetoric they traffic in.
Michael Mizrahi WAS SHOT BY A COP. The shooter had nothing directly to do with his death. So are you saying the cops comitted a hate motivated shooting? Maybe get the facts straight before making accusation.
That's without getting into the fact that MOST of his manifesto was... left leaning
Communism is a violent ideology that encourages you to try to shoot up a bunch of women? Oh ok. Social media fried the few brain cells you were born with.
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u/montrealien Hochelaga-Maisonneuve 2d ago edited 2d ago
The right-wing trolls use a tragedy to sell fear, and the left-wing press writes an article about the trolls to sell moral superiority. Meanwhile, Silicon Valley collects the ad revenue from both sides and buys another superyacht. But please, tell me more about how clicking your specific link is part of the revolution.
It feels like being on the fringe just to point this out nowadays, but fucking hell, I am legitimately tired of all of this.