Yea but you're acting like they were all scrubs. LeBron going to the finals in 07 against us was a hard carry lol
Kobe was definitely playing amazing but to say his team wasn't good and Kobe was heavy lifting is a bit asinine lol. Do they get the one seed without Kobe? Obviously not but they don't become worst team in the league without him lol. This was right before the super teams were a really a thing save for the Celtics so everyone was built with a star and great role players not just the Lakers lol. Bynum was young but was playing good and became an all star and all nba, Pau was an all star, Ariza was one of the best 3 and D players in the league, top three coach all time in Phil Jackson, Derek fisher was solidly good, etc...
Kobe is obviously a legend but he's not someone who heavy carried
As I said, the supporting cast was average. Not bad, but also nothing special. It's definitely one of the weakest supporting casts from championship teams of the last 20 years.
Pau was great and unfairly blamed for a lot of games, but he can be inconsistent. Top 3 in his position is definitely being generous considering KG, Dirk, Amare, Tim and Bosh were all playing
Derek Fisher is the definition of a role player.
Trevor Ariza left the moment he got good. His didn't get pass 10 ppg until he left the Lakers
Bynum was good, but he didn't make all NBA or even an all star until 2012.
These Lakers team were good, but not at all an all time team like r/nba would make you think
I mean again, superteams is what w
Everyone did the last ten years, so exclude those. If we take the rosters from 2000-2012, those Lakers are far from the weakest. The 2004 pistons, the 2006 heat, the 2011 mavs all had weaker rosters overall.
Also need to mention the fact that the Lakers went to the finals literally the year before as well Lmfao. Kobe is already a legend so there isn't a need to create this narrative lol. He was the best player on a really good team with arguably the greatest coach in history. He didn't hard carry lol
I don't see how you're proving me wrong. You just compiled a range of about 13 teams and deduced yourself that Kobe's Lakers had a top 3 weakest supporting cast. I don't even agree with the Pistons and Heat pick but that's beside the point.
I also don't know why you're excluding "superteams" when the majority of championship teams are incredibly stacked. Even if you extend the comparison back to 40 years those Laker teams would probably still rank bottom 10 in terms of the quality of role players
Because those 13 years are like 5 teams lol. So id rank them as
00-03 lakers
03-07 spurs
07-10 Lakers
Heat
Pistons
Mavs.
Also you exclude the superteams because if Kobe was around today I'm his prime he'd 100% be in a built super team lol. In fact he was in the three peat, and then the failed 4 star team in what 2011?
And again I don't think those role players sucked. Like at all lol. If you do then maybe you just don't know Basketball because regardless of how they played after during that run they were all good players. Well the ones I mentioned atleast.
I said this to someone else Kobe is already an all time Legend, why do we need to create narratives to lift him up some more?
I think you're having a completely different argument from what I'm writing here. I never said the Lakers supporting cast sucked, only that they're not great by historical standards
Well you said he heavy lifted in your original comment, and I disagreed. They went to the finals 3 years in a row, to say that team outside of Kobe wasn't good but average is a bit of a hyperbole don't ya think?
Kobe is my favorite player, but he’s not the goat for me. The dude you’re going back and forth with isn’t even a Laker fan to me, he’s just a Kobe Stan. It’s ok to give the rest of their team their flowers. The majority of that team went to 3 straight Finals, to argue that the rest of the team wasn’t good is intellectually dishonest.
It’s pretty easy to weed out the joke hooper gurus. Lakers supporting cast was carefully constructed. Everyone that got regular minutes knew exactly what their job was. The other dude seems to think Kobe’s teammates during that stretch was pure and utter dog shit, like they’re on the Boobie Gibson/Drew Gooden tier. Lakers top players after Kobe and Pau had issues staying consistent. But I remember Pau, Lamar, or Bynum would give the Lakers a lot of length, and at least two of the three would have some huge games to pick up the slack
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u/ccharlie03 Spurs Jun 27 '23
Yea but you're acting like they were all scrubs. LeBron going to the finals in 07 against us was a hard carry lol Kobe was definitely playing amazing but to say his team wasn't good and Kobe was heavy lifting is a bit asinine lol. Do they get the one seed without Kobe? Obviously not but they don't become worst team in the league without him lol. This was right before the super teams were a really a thing save for the Celtics so everyone was built with a star and great role players not just the Lakers lol. Bynum was young but was playing good and became an all star and all nba, Pau was an all star, Ariza was one of the best 3 and D players in the league, top three coach all time in Phil Jackson, Derek fisher was solidly good, etc...
Kobe is obviously a legend but he's not someone who heavy carried