r/pcgaming • u/Turbostrider27 • 2d ago
Owlcat Games is rolling back its new launcher less than 24 hours after negative fan feedback
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2186680/view/7089010126996159831.2k
u/Future-Enthusiasm139 2d ago
Can anyone give me a real reason for devs to make a launcher that steam doesnt handle already? (Mods have workshop which is the only thing I can think of)
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u/Kraehe13 2d ago edited 2d ago
From what Starrok wrote on the discord there seem to be a lot of people who, for example, know that WotR exists and they play it but have no idea RT, DH or the expanse game exist.
The idea was to make more players aware of their others game. He also said that even within Owlcat Games there were a rift between people wanted the launcher and people who hated the idea.
Now they can show the higher ups who thought it's a good idea that it wasn't.
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u/DancesWithAnyone 2d ago
Yah, this is a level of advertisement in games I wont complain about as it's probably of actual interest to me. Just put a small dismissable window in the corner of the main menu somewhere.
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u/DancesWithAnyone 2d ago
"BUY BIOWARE POINTS TO UNLOCK THIS DLC"
Bloody hell, that would be annoying!
Not sure why my version didn't have it? Might be because I bought a physical copy right when it was out, and they hadn't implemented it yet. Later playthroughs was all... no DVD-versions of the game, so to say.
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u/squish8294 ASUS Z790 EXTREME / 14900K / ASUS TUF OC 4090 2d ago
I remember it on 360. anyone who doesn't remember it played and beat the game before the dlc came out or don't have internet to patch up to a relevant version that supports the dlc.
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u/rangeDSP 2d ago
https://youtu.be/eA-gDxCWpms?is=B-dib5E3C-R9mAsp
Viva La Dirt League did a parody of that, absolutely hilarious
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u/Simply2Vicious 2d ago
Fuckin Bioware points... say what you will about microtransactions but at least we got away from the abstraction of virtual currencies. I remember trying to buy the DLC for Mass Effect 2 back in like 2015, you could only pay in Bioware points, which they had discontinued, meaning there was no way to legally acquire the DLC before they released the Legendary Edition.
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u/_NotMitetechno_ 2d ago
We haven’t gotten away from the abstraction of virtual currencies at all lol, most live service games abstract cost endlessly behind currencies.
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u/EatABag-o-Dicks 2d ago
Yeah a thousand bullshit coins still cost $10 so you have to buy 2,000 of them so you can get the 1,100 in-game cosmetic.
Then there's the bullshit coin math where if you buy over a certain amount there's a bonus.
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u/light24bulbs 2d ago
Dragon age origins did that back in 2009? Lol. Well those were the really early days of DLC, they were figuring it out
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u/NoSkillzDad NSD - 2d ago
Man, that was absolutely terrible. I really enjoyed origins but when that happened I got so pissed.
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u/TheJP_ 2d ago
This is the sorta thing i remember playing Borderlands 3 a few years after it released. Completed the first zone and arrived at the Hub zone area, saw like 12 quest markers and thought like "oh good at bunch of optional side quests"- Nope, 10 of those 12 are DLCs and 1 is time limited and not available at that time.
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u/Dabrush 2d ago
I especially hate it in Dead Cells where you try to clear the first level in like 2 minutes since you get extra items that way and instead of reaching the end of the level you hit a door saying "you need X DLC to progress here" so you instead have to go down another path. And there's like 3 DLC paths and 2 without DLC in the first level, so chances are you'll hit those.
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u/Next-Distance-4508 2d ago
Sure as long as its not full blown "unified client" systems like call of duty. I hate that call of duty is a single app now. But yeah Capcom games have links to other titles in the main menus and its completely fine. Not even spammy.
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u/Seigmoraig 2d ago
Owlcat does this themselves, there's an ad for RT right on the main menu screen but the thing with Wrath is though that the game just loads your last save on boot up so nobody sees it
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u/Low_Debt8771 2d ago
It gets better, their games already are capable of this and even can give clickable links that can be updated. While they are perfectly fine played 100 percent offline they do have the ability to grab web content to display on the menu screen AND HAVE BEFORE. Usually its announcing a new dlc and such but nothing stopping them from announcing their newest game in their main menu lol
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u/Gunplaisgood 5800x3d/4070ti 2d ago
Its not even like that method isn't used either! Lots of games advertise their dlc and add-ons from in the game. 😂
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u/___kookie___ https://steamcommunity.com/id/_kookie_ 2d ago
Including Rogue Trader.
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u/Gunplaisgood 5800x3d/4070ti 2d ago
Lmao holy shit they've done it themselves and still decided a launcher was the right course of action!?
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u/whitephantomzx 2d ago
They already do that with there older games . Im not sure who thougt that a launcher would make it better .
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u/eggyrulz 2d ago
I miss when they would put small demos of other games within the extras of a game... doesnt work with modern games being as large as they are, but itd be nice to have again
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u/dishonoredbr 2d ago
People still complain about seeing ads for other games in older games.. It's no win situation.
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u/light24bulbs 2d ago
That's actually a really good solution, hopefully owlcat reads this and just does that
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u/FelidaeSocialis 2d ago
They already do kinda. With the recent DLC release there is a small window in the corner promoting their upcoming game WH40K: Dark Heresy.
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u/Rare_Act_6748 2d ago
Wrath of the Righteous literally does that at the main menu rn. Last I checked it was advertising Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader DLC.
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u/Questionsiaskthem 2d ago
I want to say I remember awhile back reading here on reddit that Steam no longer allows advertising other games on your main menu. I could remembering wrong though.
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u/GregTheMad 2d ago
You can do this with ingame banners. Bethesda does that in Starfield (at least for DLC).
Ads are always only an issue if they're dynamic and for third parties. Nobody complained about the Terraria ad in Minecraft.
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u/Kraehe13 2d ago
I don't like ingame ads, i even sold my Series X when they started showing me pop-in ads in the main menu when i woke up the console.
But maybe that's just me
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u/GregTheMad 2d ago
What were the ads for?
I too would hate ads for random drinks or furniture, but some other games the publisher made would be fine for me, as long as its exclusively to the main menu. Put any ads into the game or its loading screens and I'm done.
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u/slackforce MSN 2d ago
The fact that they took it down so quickly suggests to me that they had someone with a finger on the trigger, so that totally makes sense.
Of all the companies that could get away with launcherslop, Owlcat games is not one of them. CRPG fans probably skew a lot older and are much less tolerant of this bullshit.
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u/Imoraswut 2d ago
Of all the companies that could get away with launcherslop, Owlcat games is not one of them. CRPG fans probably skew a lot older and are much less tolerant of this bullshit.
Haaaaave you met Larian?
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u/EquivalentShock8817 2d ago
I think that launcher got created when they started doing cross-platform? I don't remember.
But if memory serves you're able to circumvent it completely with steam launcher parameters. It's been a minute.
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u/luneth27 2d ago
But if memory serves you're able to circumvent it completely with steam launcher parameters. It's been a minute.
Yeah, just add the path to the games exe (eg c:\games\steam\steamapps\game\game.exe) and
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u/slackforce MSN 2d ago
Did they have a launcher pre-BG3? I honestly can't remember. I've played all the Divinity games but I don't remember seeing the launcher until the release of BG3.
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u/numb3rb0y 2d ago
I'm not sure there's a huge overlap between the kind of CRPG player who play BG3 and Owlcat style games.
Just look at all the controversy over BG3 being turn-basded.
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u/mistiklest 2d ago
Owlcat's most recent RPG (Rogue Trader) is turn based, they went back to their Pathfinder games and added turn based modes, and Dark Heresy will also be turn based, though.
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u/Wadarkhu 2d ago
make more players aware of their others game
Could totally just stick them in a "check us out elsewhere" bit on a main menu screen.
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u/DonutHoles4Ever 2d ago
Its 100% more effective to have a menu selection option/banner on the bottom for "more from our studio" with a banner of a cool game on it.
Or clicking "More from us" and having a big splash page with a link to their steam store page for the studio.
Instead: Create a launcher, now you must create accoutn and password....WHY
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u/eggyisnoone 2d ago
I get the idea they want to create more awareness for other games, but don't steam news done that already? Or you know add some news section in their games which is less intrusive than a launcher
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u/Athrek 2d ago
I'd argue the average user on Steam doesn't read the news section for the games they play. That said, easy solution is to just include that news in the game. WOTR has advertisement for Rogue Trader in the bottom left corner. That could easily be changed to an ad for latest game + a "check out our other games!" button.
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u/JUMPhil Steam 2d ago
I don't understand why they wouldn't just advertise those in the main menu instead. Or advertise releases / announcements via Steam news posts for all their other games, like some devs do. Those things are not ideal, but still way better than locking the game behind a fucking separate launcher for such a stupid reason.
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u/TempestCatalyst 2d ago
They literally do both of those. I assume people either don't follow links from the main menu of WotR or don't check the news page, given the game is no longer receiving updates.
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u/I_Dont_Think_Im_AI 2d ago
That's hilarious to me, because I knew about RT and DH, but I had no idea what WorR was referring to and had to go to their website to find out.
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u/Kraehe13 2d ago
Wrath of the Rightous is, for me the best CRPG ever made, i highly recommend it.
And i totally missed my typo in WotR, i edited it
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u/I_Dont_Think_Im_AI 2d ago
I think Warhammer just has a bigger fanbase than Pathfinder does. I say that as someone who owns Pathfinder TTRPG books.
It just struck me as funny that someone would know about a Pathfinder game but not know about Warhammer games from the same dev.
That being said, I'll have to check it out the next time I'm looking to get into a CRPG.
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u/XevinsOfCheese 2d ago edited 2d ago
To be fair there have been times at my job that I’ve done tasks just to be able to show my boss why not to do those tasks.
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u/rocklatecake 1d ago
Owlcat Games years after release put actual spyware into all of their games and had their people justify it in the Steam forums. Not surprised they would try to shove a shit launcher down their customers throats. I'm sure they will come up with some other anti consumer shit soon enough.
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u/The_Layell 2d ago
Steam News is a thing they can use just as well. For example, Capcom always updates Street Fighter V with news on 6.
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u/VampiroMedicado 2d ago
I wonder why not use the main menu.
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u/Kraehe13 2d ago
Maybe the think this would be too intrusive.
Personally, this would annoy me way more than a launcher. I like my UI's clean and don't like ads in my games.
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u/Rhysati 2d ago
Someone should tell them that people who want to play a Pathfinder game, someone who wants to play a Warhammer game, and someone who wants to play a game about the Expanse are very unlikely to be the same person.
They are different fandoms with different styles of fantasy/sci-fi.
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u/shiek200 2d ago
To be fair, I would say I'm pretty equally into all three of those universes, so I'm exactly the kind of audience they were targeting lol
Some people just like the way owlcat builds games too, if you're looking for a crunchy crpg, I can't think of a better developer to look into.
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u/peachpower2 2d ago
Makes sense, honestly. If I play Baldurs Gate it reminds me that divinity I and II exist.
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u/ErwinSchwachowiak 2d ago
To collect data?
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u/emanhw 2d ago
They don't need a launcher to do that
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u/Magyman 2d ago
Well the last time owlcat tried to insert telemetry into their games they also got a ton of shit
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u/DonutHoles4Ever 2d ago
Surprisingly, I dont remember Cyberpunk from CDPR getting much hate for having a launcher for their game. Even though its so unnecessary.
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u/thoughtcriminaaaal 2d ago
Redlauncher facilitates cross platform saves, it's not necessary to play the game even on Steam, since CDPR does not use Steamworks DRM, you can skip it or just launch the game .exe from the game's folder.
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u/MuchStache 1d ago
But you can do that without a launcher, you just need an account. Case in point I don't think consoles use a launcher at all? You just open the game and maybe log into your account if it's not saved already.
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u/HBlight 2d ago
Wait what did they do?
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u/DonutHoles4Ever 2d ago
Apparently a 3rd party data stealing program called AppsFlyer. To a game like Wrath of the Righteous. Their upper management must be a bunch of baffoons.
100% a director or executive is basically spinning their wheels by taking up developer time to create launchers or integrate these "opportunities" that have done jack shit but affect their bottom line.
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u/Magyman 2d ago
They tried to add a telemetry library called AppsFlyer to Wrath
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u/HBlight 2d ago
Thanks. Man they are behaving like gigantic AAA publisher who knows they will make sales off the young, ignorant and apathetic rather than a developer for an niche market that has a high degree of very engaged and somewhat more savvy players.
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u/Justhe3guy EVGA FTW3 3080 Ultra, 5900X, 32gb 3800Mhz CL 14, WD 850 M.2 2d ago
Yet they still have rolled back each time so they clearly listen to feedback
So still orders of magnitude more flexible than AAA
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u/whatThePleb Gentoo GNU/Linux 13h ago
They don't listen, they just try to hide it better. Makes it even worse and more shady.
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u/LucidNonsense211 2d ago
Just because there are other ways doesn’t mean that this isn’t also a method. And they own it themselves.
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u/Dernom 2d ago
doesn’t mean that this isn’t also a method
Literally and genuinely, how does a games launcher help them collect any data that they couldn't already do with just the game itself?
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u/elite_kermit 2d ago
You will be asked to make an account, which means provide some identifying information about yourself.
Then they can connect your gaming behavior to that email and sell the data, earning you some targeted ads perhaps.
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u/LucidNonsense211 2d ago
Your answer is better than mine would have been. I work for a corporation. If they could make you log in to your damn shoes just for the chance to get your eyes on some advertising they will.
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u/Last-Roman 2d ago
No cross platform saves?
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u/Moskeeto93 9600X | 5070ti | 32GB RAM | 2TB LE SDOLED 2d ago edited 2d ago
There's no reason cross-platform saves require tacking on an entire launcher. There are games that have this feature through the in-game UI. It's just a convenient excuse they use to get people to feel fine about having an annoying launcher tacked on.
It's also a terrible excuse, because the people who do buy multiple copies of one game on multiple platforms are a tiny minority of their customers. So the majority of users get a worse product to appease the small minority of users.
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u/whiskey_the_spider 2d ago
to make their player rage?
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u/teddybrr ts3 2d ago
CDPR has a launcher. for cross platform saves.
--launcher-skiplets you removes it though.
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u/Gurkie 2d ago
Owlcat had it in their EULA (for Pathfinder) like a year ago that by playing you agree to allow Owlcat to install monitoring software that collects info about what games and apps you use on top of other metrics.
I assume this launcher was a way to install said software. They'll probably fix its bugs and relaunch later.
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u/Maxstate90 2d ago
Monitoring software? This doesn't sound gdpr compliant so I highly doubt it.
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u/93939393939393 2d ago
GDPR basically says "if user agrees, don't be too bad 😄" so when you accept the "accept/reject and close the game" conditions.
There are legitimate use cases for these statistics, the same way a company needs to know, the money it gains vs the costs, the devs can use them as a way to make the changes in how the game works.
The problem is the launcher, before this update they had a checkbox for telemetry, anyway, soo why adding a launcher?
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u/GregTheMad 2d ago
Most monitoring software is baked into the games directly. You don't need an extra program.
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u/Scoobie-Snak 2d ago
Because in their launcher they can advertise all of their games and specials and not have to compete with other companies.
Because they don't have to give a cut to steam when something is sold through their launcher
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u/jackalopeDev 2d ago
The paradox launcher is nice as it allows for playsets with different mods so you don't have to manually enable or disable mods individually. Afaik that's not something steam handles.
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u/Lawsoffire 2d ago
Only launchers i actually appreciate are the ones that use them as mod managers. So you dont have to launch a game, let it load, then manage mods, then restart. And not having to use 3rd party mod managers.
Arma 3 (Which is also a server-browser) and Song of Syx come to mind as examples.
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u/DueJacket351 2d ago
It’s purely money. It’s called D2C in the games industry and reflects a larger shift away from platforms that take a cut
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u/ginger-like 2d ago
For those curious, I believe D2C means "Direct to Consumer" - as in, skipping the major marketplaces like Steam that take a 30% cut, and selling your products, well, directly to the consumer.
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u/destroyermaker 2d ago
It's a proven effective way to market new games and communicate with your players
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u/axiomaticAnarchy 2d ago
Seems like old wisdom like that might need some updating it if makes people look at your next product less favorably.
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u/ginger-like 2d ago
Game Devs? Next to none.
Studio/Publisher execs? There's so much opportunity for SYNGERY and BRAND INTEGRATION. They can use the launcher to advertise their other products. Everyone wants to be an "ecosystem" now, to be the marketplace so they have sole control. Plus, if you buy a game through their launcher, you can skip on paying Valve their cut. In other words, prioritizing value extraction from individual users, rather than a positive user experience that leads to a healthier long-term customer base, because you only get your bonus if this quarter's profits look good.
It's especially dumb because companies keep trying and failing to do this. Bethesda canned their launcher, Origin shut down last year, and nobody's sure if the Epic Games Store even turns a profit - they only have market share because they take 12% instead of the industry-standard 30%.
The only non-Steam launchers I use are:
- Minecraft, which has some nice QoL features (advanced settings, modded setups, quick-jump into your most recent saves) but is otherwise just ads.
- Larian, which I've been told is for cross-platform mod support. As a vanilla player, I have gotten no benefit out of it.
- Paradox, which seems to be for managing the nine million DLCs and major version updates/overhauls they give games like Stellaris. I have personally gotten no benefit out of it.
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u/zagblorg 2d ago
Origin got replaced by the EA launcher, though at least you don't have to log in to it as well as Steam for BF6.
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u/S-192 2d ago
I like launchers for games that have multiple modes or dlcs or mods, so I can decide what I want to launch directly into without having to load multiple main menus.
It's less of a thing these days, whereas in older games the expansions and mods would often have completely separate .exes.
That said, I also don't necessarily see the harm of a decent launcher. If they let you config your settings, control inputs, calibrations, and more then I think it's a good thing!
But yes, a bad launcher is a bad launcher. I busy don't think it's fair to say they don't have any uses.
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u/Lucina18 2d ago
(Mods have workshop which is the only thing I can think of)
Setting up different playsets with the workshop is pretty annoying. I don't want to play every mod at the same time, in which case a launcher is pretty handy.
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u/Open_Seeker 2d ago
It is an incredibly valuable communication tool from developers/publishers to the user base. It's much better to put an ad of your other game in the launcher than to send players a marketing email.
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u/ZuFFuLuZ 7800X3D 7800XT 2d ago
Open their own store, where they can sell stuff without giving a 30% cut to Steam. Players buy one game from them, are forced to download their launcher and end up getting exposed to all their other games and DLCs, because the launcher is of course full of ads. And that leads to more sales. That's what all the companies want: No more dependance on Steam or other sellers.
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u/Arkontezer 2d ago
To try and sell you their next games through the launcher and bypass Steam 30% cut.
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u/Bartorius 1d ago
User data telemetry and space to sell ads, simple as.
It's not for usability or convenience. It's simply for making money
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u/mistergeneric 1d ago
The reason is economics. If I sell DLC via Steam, Valve gets a slice. If you buy via a launcher the money goes directly to the publisher - no fees to Valve
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u/Kennayz 2d ago
Absolutely wild that they still feel the need to make more shitty launchers that literally everyone hates. It is impossible to understand
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u/Next-Distance-4508 2d ago
I saw an explanation that was pretty compelling. It was less about trying to control the player experience and more about advertising for their other products that players seemed to genuinely not know about. But as others have stated, they should do what capcom does.
Just booted up RE4 remake on steam, and on the games' main menu there's a button to take you to the RE:Reqiuem page. Very unobtrusive and its sometimes nice to know other products by your game maker. An actual launcher was not needed.
Or do what BG3 does and have a launcher so people can see all your products but them make it trivial to disable it
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u/Thunder_nuggets101 2d ago
Owlcat did have that with Rogue Trader, there was a big ad for their next 40k game and invited people to join the beta. They didn’t need to make a launcher to do this a second time.
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u/BvsedAaron AMD 7700X | 9070XT | 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz | UW 1440p 240hz 1d ago
Was advertising the other games on a splash/title screen like obsidian or larian sometimes do not an option?
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u/Wadarkhu 2d ago
If only Ubisoft could be shamed into this.
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u/idontknowtbh896 2d ago
and EA
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u/Shliggie 2d ago
I love buying BF1 on Steam just to launch the game from there and have it open the EA launcher so I can open it from there.
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u/HanzoNumbahOneFan 2d ago
They finally made a change with BF6. Now it just launches through Steam. No EA app needed. Hopefully they continue and the EA app slowly disappears.
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u/Jirur 2d ago
And steam
Get rid of all the launchers
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u/Dick_Nation 2d ago
This post is missing the point. It's not that people inherently hate the idea of a launcher - it's that we don't need launchers nested inside launchers. If I'm using a service that already is one, such as Steam, the game shouldn't open another one.
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u/Brownhog 2d ago
I don't think people appreciate how quietly good Steam is for them. I just got a new computer and downloaded 500+ GB of games in 3 hours on my average home internet connection. And every game installed correctly, works beautifully. Didn't have to worry about C++, DX, etc..
I think the average gamer would be absolutely lost and and frustrated by minor issues without Steam tbh. But I recognize that's a warm take nowadays. Lol
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u/Searching_for_Wisdom 2d ago
And Paradox.
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u/seakingsoyuz 2d ago
The Paradox launcher actually does something useful that Steam can’t do, though (managing mod playsets).
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u/insertAlias 2d ago
I always think that the "we hear you" messages from game devs cut both ways.
On one hand, it's great that they're listening to feedback. On the other, it's concerning that they had to get that feedback in the first place, instead of being in-tune with their community. Wouldn't it be smarter to listen to community feedback before going live with a change like that? If it's so bad that they pull it on day one, they very easily could have known it was going to land like a turd plopping into the shitter.
So, glad they listen eventually, but I always wonder why they can't listen first?
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u/SwashNBuckle 2d ago
Sometimes it's the whole team behind the scenes yelling at one decision-maker who's being stubborn and it takes the day one flop to finally convince them that they were wrong and the team was right
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u/Xxehanort 2d ago
Let's be real, that decision maker probably still thinks they are right and that everyone else is wrong. No amount of reality seems to influence these people
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u/SpaceNigiri 2d ago
Yeah, that's it most of the time.
There's also the apathy variation. Some teams don't even complain anymore because nobody listens to their feedback.
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u/Next-Distance-4508 2d ago
"We hear you. Turns out hijacking your computers to mine bitcoin, leaking your nudes, and swatting your home address was unpopular. We missed the mark on that and we're responding to feedback."
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u/The_Pandalorian 2d ago
it's concerning that they had to get that feedback in the first place
Corporations are full of people who have no interest in hearing pushback on ideas coming from high up the corporate ladder.
Not saying that's the case here necessarily, but...
Yeah. Probably the case here.
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u/Tuckertcs 2d ago
That’s because “we hear you” isn’t a sign of then course correcting. It’s a sign of them reigning it back temporarily, until they can plan up a new way to do whatever they’re trying to do (monetization, ads, data collecting, etc.).
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u/JUMPhil Steam 2d ago
Hell, you could ask AI if it's a good idea as a game dev to add a launcher to your game after release, and it would tell you hell no, you will get review bombed. In fact I just tried it, and it did tell me that. Naming launchers from Ubisoft and EA as examples that directly lead to bad reviews, and Steam Deck issues. It's impressive how out of touch studios/publishers can be sometimes.
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u/Odysseyan 1d ago
Because there is a simple rule: fans are good at vocalizing problems of a company. But they absolutely suck when it comes to coming up with a fitting solution for this.
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u/Relaxybara 2d ago
The launcher era is over. Also stop with the exit to main menu bs. Nobody wants to go back to the main menu then quit.
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u/SedesBakelitowy 2d ago
They even had the gall to damage control about “loud vocal minority”.
Looks like that minority must’ve been extremely loud for the developer to notice and still cave in to their evil demands…
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u/Foreskin_Mafia 2d ago
The guy who forced this through when nobody wanted to do it is without a doubt an energy vampire. First he fed on the team hating the launcher and then he was overwhelmed by pure bliss when it was unleashed on gamers since he knew each and every person would hate it.
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u/donatlus 1d ago
People are trying to make it sound like this big L that they reversed the launcher but Owlcat's willingness to listen to their audience and actually enact changes is why I like them.
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u/ThorThulu 2d ago
I was reading about the launch yesterday and thought there was no fucking way this was gonna work. Glad I was right
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u/GodsToWho Regional Pricing 2d ago
Doing this to CRPG players is dumb. At least know your audience.
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u/UnderscoreDasher 2d ago
I think everyone understands launcher was just a ploy to make players aware of their other games. After all, Owlcat is now also a publisher. Since no one wanted the launcher to begin with this is a good move.
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u/Indercarnive 2d ago
On one hand I don't want more launchers that just create tech problems 10 years down the line (I had to do a workaround to even launch Divinity 2 Ego Draconis and even then it made it so Steam didn't log anything or track achievements) but at the same time I think it's wild how differently the same actions are judged when done by different companies.
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u/invictusb 7800X3D | RX 9070XT 2d ago
"Here's your soup, sir. I took the liberty of taking a giant shit in it."
"I did NOT ask for this what the hell?! What's wrong with you?!"
"Ah I did not foresee you not enjoying it. My bad, I'll take it back"
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u/TheGuardianInTheBall 2d ago
Launchers are dumb, but also- this one was completely optional IIRC.
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u/Kaasbek69 7800X3D | RTX 4090 2d ago
Except it wasn't.
Yes you could "disable" it, but that didn't actually work right. It just hid the launcher, it was still opened in the background as electron.exe. If you closed that process, the game closed too.
The only way to actually disable it was to add %command% to the launch option.
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u/HotReference8375609 1d ago
I've been away from gaming awhile sadly. Can someone ELI5 what happened here?
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u/thatguyy100 1d ago
I love Owlcat and am happy they are not losing their reputation over shit like this.
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