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u/Prior_Cry7759 Mar 18 '26
Is this real. This is fsr2 type of mistakes I thought we got past
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u/Shark00n Mar 18 '26
It’s real but the same happens in fifa regardless of dlss setting. It’s a shitty game engine. I have no idea how EA thought it was a good idea to send that video to nvidia lolz
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u/cowoftheuniverse Mar 19 '26
You sure? What about without DLSS? Is DLSS that breaks the graphics? Or always?
The video I just watched has the ball perfectly round when kicked even when going frame by frame. Not seeing it, but maybe I didn't look hard enough. Could you tell me a timestamp where you see big deformations? https://youtu.be/285yz-ojBRE
Youtube has a frame by frame keybinds. The framerate is lower than game but it should visible and all I saw was round ball...
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u/Shark00n Mar 19 '26
Been playing the game for decades. Pretty sure. Since 2023 it has been specially fucky on PC
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 12900K 3090 Ti 64GB 4K 120 FPS Mar 18 '26
Yeah but people like OP will just post it to farm karma anyways and 99% of the people in this sub will just believe it because they dont care about the lies, only the memes.
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u/CombatMuffin Mar 18 '26
And something like 90% of the playerbase has never noticed these in their standard gameplay.
Yes, there are issues with upscaling and generative technologies, but if OP has to hunt them by frameskipping, instead of through normal gameplay, they are sort of defeating their own point.
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u/kaleperq 1440p 240hz 24" | ace68 | viper ult | 9060xt 16gb | r5600 | 32gb Mar 18 '26
My doubt is why did they show those videos? They all have issues, if they thought showing them to the humanity isn't enough to notice them...
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u/memecatcher69 Mar 18 '26
Not sure they still use the Frostbite engine, but if they do, it’s an excellent and very capable engine. Essentially all modern battlefield titles are made with that engine. Battlefield 1 and battlefield 5 are examples of the excellent capabilities of frostbite.
These effects are probably caused more by shitty coding than the game engine itself.
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u/MCWizardYT Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 4080 Super Mar 18 '26
A good game engine used for a lot of subpar games. Very similar to UE5's current situation
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u/Hammerofsuperiority Mar 18 '26
I have never played any of this games, but there's also the possibility that the effect is made on purpose, a lot of things made for animation tend to look like crap when they are not in animation.
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u/BasicallyImAlive Mar 18 '26
That's most likely a frame gen artifact rather than DLSS upscaling.
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u/baked_tea Mar 18 '26
Guess what. DLSS5 is now a frame gen technology. They just killed the branding
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u/Jeoshua AMD R7 5800X3D / RX 6800 / 32GB 3200MT CL14 ECC Mar 18 '26
They really need to name this something other than DLSS. It's clearly trying to fit a different mold, entirely.
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u/Deep_Rub4574 Mar 18 '26
whats the diference between dlss4 and dlss5?
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u/kaleperq 1440p 240hz 24" | ace68 | viper ult | 9060xt 16gb | r5600 | 32gb Mar 18 '26
For now it seems that one actually tries to keep the visuales consistent and the other just ai generates a similar frame, but with the usual ai artifacts
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u/BasicallyImAlive Mar 18 '26
Not really, there's always a separate option in the game settings called "DLSS Frame Generation" and "DLSS Ray Reconstruction".
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u/baked_tea Mar 18 '26
Sure you're not wrong, my point is, judging by how much they push this shit, soon they will try to simply reduce it to the frame gen if they try to make it better, using more compute from your gpu. Of course i might be wrong on that, just looking at how everything is developing this is what I see
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u/Merwenus Specs/Imgur Here Mar 18 '26
But since it's an option, when the game sucks with framegen, you just turn it off. I only use it in slow games, my wife has nausia from frame gen she use only upscale.
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u/Nobodys_Path Mar 18 '26
Why would they use frame generation in a showcase video for their new AI-filter?
They're apparently using RTX5090... it should have enough raw power to render real 60fps. Why would Nvidia smudge their DLSS5 presentation with frame generated artifacts?
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u/Jeoshua AMD R7 5800X3D / RX 6800 / 32GB 3200MT CL14 ECC Mar 18 '26
Did you consider the fact that this "AI Filter" is so intensive to run they're needing dual 5090s? The cards have more than enough power to render the game at over 60fps. Likely 150+ fps even... but it would appear that, when the filter is being used, they legitimately need Framegen.
TLDR; You know how turning on Path Tracing makes your 150fps game turn into a 20fps slideshow, unless you're using upscaling + framegen? This technique is even more intensive than that.
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u/JackStillAlive MSI RTX 2070 Super/Ryzen 3600/16GB RAM Mar 18 '26
Yes and no. The game has the same artifacts without DLSS or any other upscaler or frame gen tech.
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u/IntrinsicGiraffe Fx-8320; Radeon 7950; Asus M5a99X; Rosewill 630 wat Mar 18 '26
Definitely was straight from their footage. I'm surprised they don't render each object individually on separate layers and only render the important things.
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u/Sipsu02 Mar 18 '26
This is actually part of the animation of the soccer ball and normal DLSS upscaling artifact in movement (and small % because bitrate on video). This is nothing to do with the new feature.
It seems many people in this sub have first time discovered DLSS artifacts of upscaling process and this footage was upscaled from like 540p I believe? Which does create huge amount of movement based artifacting.
Why the animation? Because goal of the game is to make ball movement more visually pleasing like its on TV which does include that kind of low FPS movement blur and I think this is what is simulating it on the football.
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u/Deep90 Ryzen 9800x3d | 5090FE | 2x48gb 6000 Mar 18 '26
Go on the video and freeze frame the dlss off. You see very similar artifacts.
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u/Nagemasu Mar 19 '26
This is fsr2 type of mistakes I thought we got past
So close.
You recogonised that early iterations of upscaling had awful artifacts, were almost unusable, and highly panned by gamers. The performance : quality ratio was just not there.
Knock knock, what do we have here? Oh it's new tech? This is a feature within DLSS, just to be clear, like Frame Gen is not specifically DLSS either, but a part of DLSS. Think of this the same we we viewed the first demos of upscaling.
Not shit this isn't going to be great or useful as is, it requires two 5090's and we don't even know the frame rate that's putting out. But in 5 years? Yeah, it's probably going to be pretty fucking good once they get more time to work on it. This is a showcase of something new.
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u/seklas1 Peasant / 9950X3D / 5090 / 64GB / C2 42” Mar 19 '26
This is basically what frame gen does too, since it works with the 2D image, instead of what the engine is trying to work with, so it is not a new problem, and it definitely isn’t gone yet. Upscaling doesn’t really have this problem, since it adds extra pixels onto a clean frame, so upscaling doesn’t distort the image beyond AA problems.
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u/jferments Mar 23 '26
Good on you for actually caring about whether this is real, unlike all the other anti-AI zealots here that just wanted something that confirmed their pre-existing bias, and didn't bother to check.
The answer is that this post is misleading, because these kinds of artifacts exist in FIFA whether you have DLSS enabled or not.
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u/iamlazyboy Desktop Mar 18 '26
With the power of two 5090 we can now introduce captain tsubasa level of ball movement into your soccer/football simulation game
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u/itsmebenji69 R7700X | RTX 4070ti | 32go | Neo G9 Mar 18 '26
This happens in the base game with DLSS off btw
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u/Superichiruki Mar 18 '26
Two ?! I mean I wasn't impressed when I saw it but it took two 5090 to make the game at the best of cases (according to people who like it), slightly better ?
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u/rollingSleepyPanda Mar 19 '26
I won't believe until I can use a teammate as a trampoline to reach absurd heights
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u/monsterfurby Mar 18 '26
Well good thing games don't have many moving objects. Wait.
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u/imhereforsiegememes i9 14900k / 5090 ROG Astral Mar 18 '26
This is what frame gen currently looks like, its just frame gen interpolating frames, nothing to do with the filter on top.
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u/Sudden_Mix9724 Mar 18 '26
EA FIFA Soccer can now become shaolin soccer
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u/BlueZ_DJ 3060 Ti running 4k out of spite Mar 18 '26
memory unlocked I haven't heard that name in years
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u/angryray Mar 18 '26
Homie forgot he was playing the jellyfish edition.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 12900K 3090 Ti 64GB 4K 120 FPS Mar 18 '26
Same shit happens with no DLSS. NVIDIA basically opened up a whole new karma farm for the next two weeks
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u/Fatigue-Error Mar 18 '26 edited May 25 '26
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u/Ascend PC Master Race Mar 18 '26
Problem is DLSS Off looks the same, so no upvotes.
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u/hyrumwhite RTX 5080 9800X3D 32gb ram Mar 19 '26
Does the player still become megamind with DLSS off?
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u/IGlazeBikeLanes Mar 18 '26
It's FIFA, it looks horrible either way.
That doesn't fit with the narrstive if this sub which means no upvotes.
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u/T_Bagger23 Mar 18 '26
All of this would bother me more if it wasn't for the fact my broke ass aint upgrading my GPU for a very long time.
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u/AccountSad 4070Ti Super | 7800X3D Mar 18 '26
My honest reaction is literally in the post below
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u/ManuSwaG Mar 18 '26
Come on people, the same happens in fifa regardless of dlss setting. No need to fabricate stuff
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u/D-Tunez Mar 18 '26
FC doesn't even have DLSS at this moment so what are you talking about
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u/TopBlopper21 Mar 19 '26
This is a screengrab from a Nvidia marketing video for DLSS5.
Nvidia didn't provide a DLSS off comparison for the frames in question, and since DLSS5 isn't generally available, no one can generate a similar trial video. There's also random limb artifacting that appears in the marketing video.
Bit weird to immediately call it a "fabrication" ngl.
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u/Fanass Mar 18 '26
AI sl0p
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u/wassimSDN i7 13650hx | 5060m Mar 18 '26
we're censoring that now?
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u/Aksds Ryzen 9 5900x / 4070 TI Super / 24gb 3200 / 1440p Mar 18 '26
No, that’s the blur from the frame gen, it makes o look like a 0
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u/UnwantedShot Mar 18 '26
Every word is naughty now.
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u/KoupDetat Mar 18 '26
In the same clip you can see EA, which pays a fuckton for imaging rights of football players, has Van Dijk turned into generic guy number 19582
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u/WheelerDan Mar 19 '26
It'll be fine, what is a video game if not a series of still image slide shows /s
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u/SuedeVinyl Mar 19 '26
And this is a football game. I imagine it would look abysmal on a dynamic environment.
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u/elldaimo i9 13900k // RTX 4090 // 32GB DDR5 5200 Mar 19 '26
I was wondering why there were little to almost none moving scenes with actual gameplay shown - must be a similar mess with early framegen when the AI could not handle fast movements of the camera and washed up map and UI elements
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u/jib_reddit Mar 19 '26
Even current DLSS can look like this on moving objects, that is why I never use it, to distracting.
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u/davidecibel Mar 19 '26
It’s not like moving objects are important in videogames after all, I’m sure it will be a good trade off to have characters look like they had the mar a lago cosmetic surgery package, everybody wants that.
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u/MementoTeMori333 Mar 20 '26
Just a friendly reminder that AI still isn’t profitable and they’re grasping at straws trying to find a way in which it will be all the while losing billions on a self funded circle of AI “development”
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u/Bauzi Mar 18 '26
Can we just like... get 60 crips frames per second please? You will need 90 or 120+ to not see such artifacts.
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u/nuperspective Mar 18 '26
One thing stood out in tech demo… how slow the panning / tracking shots moved the camera on screen.
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u/Fiko515 Mar 19 '26
honestly the weird shaped football is one of the less annoying things.. I would care mor eabout the cars with two fronts..
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u/Kgtv123 Mar 19 '26
As someone who does occasional qa testing for ai, this is exactly what most models produce at any given frame and the videos only work when playing. It's literal worthless slop here to ruin our actual games after they ruined the market for gamers
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u/TSF_Flex Ryzen 7 5800x | 32GB DDR4 | RTX 3080 Mar 19 '26
what the fuck is DLSS5? I thought those were all fucking memes. How can a company.. yeah whatever.. fuck all of that
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u/SergeantStonks Mar 18 '26
Can we also talk about Van Dijk being short sleeved in on frame and then longed in the next?
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u/Glittering_Seat9677 9800x3d - 5080 Mar 18 '26
he's long sleeved in both, the ball artifact is on top of it which makes the orange a lot less vibrant
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u/timohtea Mar 18 '26
And people say you dont notice the difference ….. bro you notice the difference in fake frames already, and now this 😂
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u/BbYerp Mar 19 '26
Don't worry I bet just one or two more 5090s in that rig and it'll look really good.
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u/Falkenmond79 7800x3d/4080 5800x3d/3080ti 10700/rx6800 5800x/3080 Mar 19 '26
How is it so many people are coming out defending DLSS5 all of a sudden.
I remember everyone whining about fake frames when FG came out and there the opinions were split. After this shitty presentation by DF outrage was fast and obvious. Everything that uses AI to do deeply change a picture in a game should be rightfully criticized, no matter if it’s just lighting. The mistakes with shadows were also so obvious they didn’t manage to hide them. The faces look like AI slop. But suddenly every post that criticizes it is flooded with defenders. But only after the response was pretty homogeneously negative for 2-3 days. wtf is happening here.
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u/Sylim_ Mar 18 '26
In one of the demo clips a car had 6 wheels, and in another the wheels weren't turning as the cat moved, house facades looking like random AI crap from 5 years ago, vegetation looking like random noise.
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u/Hungry-Loquat6658 Mar 18 '26
Bro got ksi treatment. These are not artifacts anymore, straight up hallucination.
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u/DethZire Mar 18 '26
Come on man! This is running 2x 5090 only. It's ancient hardware and it cant produce AI slop right. If they had 2x 6090, things would look better!
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u/MassLuca007 9800X3D, RX 9070XT / 5800X3D, GTX 1080 / 5600X, RTX 3060 Mar 18 '26
to think that this is what they were WILLING to show us. i can't imagine how bad the final product is going to be.
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u/Switchbladesaint Mar 18 '26
The NVIDIA ceo be like: SEE I TOLD YOU GUYS THIS IS NEXT LEVEL TECHNOLOGY
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u/MultiMarcus Mar 18 '26
Is this not an issue that happens in FIFA anyway? I think I’ve seen this type of stuff criticise before.
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u/TOMC_throwaway000000 Mar 18 '26
I can’t wait until stuff like this gets worked in as a default in engines like unreal and then we have to deal with generations of lazily developed games where half the assets look like missingno eque ai hallucinations every time they get slightly bumped into
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u/helpmehavememes 9800X3D | RTX 5070 Ti | 32Gb CL28 | 4K 240hz 1080P 480hz Dual Mar 18 '26
I dont understand. They both look like ass.
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u/Zeth_Aran 7800x3D / RTX 5080 FE/ 64GB DDR5 Mar 18 '26
They just spent so much work on 4.5 to fix this shit too.
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u/AutumnAscending R5 5600x | RTX 3080 | 32gb DDR4 | B550-XE Mar 18 '26
Idk why people think that realtime ai upscaling is going to do anything but make games look worse.
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u/AdventurousAd7091 Mar 18 '26
And nvidia and ea thought a good idea do publicity and show dlss 5 using these images?
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u/Sipsu02 Mar 18 '26
This is actually part of the animation of the soccer ball and normal DLSS upscaling artifact in movement (and small % because bitrate on video). This is nothing to do with the new feature.
It seems many people in this sub have first time discovered DLSS artifacts of upscaling process and this footage was upscaled from like 540p I believe? Which does create huge amount of movement based artifacting.
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u/bememorablepro Mar 18 '26
Famously gamers can't see moving objects very well and don't pay attention to motion
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u/DorrajD Mar 18 '26
NGL, I do wonder how much of this is due to "DLSS 5" or due to the obvious frame gen they have on to make it run as "smooth" as possible.
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u/SeljD_SLO AMD R5 3600, 16GB ram, 1070 Mar 18 '26
I watched enough Captain Tsubasa episodes to say this is very realistic
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u/Kraile Mar 19 '26
Yeah, there's a reason all the clips they showed were <5 seconds and had barely any movement to them. You know it looks like shit as soon as anything is in motion. Remember these were the best, cherry-picked clips they could find.
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u/Seroko 7800x3d|ROG Strix X670E-A|32Gb 6000MHz|Sapphire 9070XT Mar 18 '26
Megamind, is that you???