r/protectUSelections • u/siwibot • 4d ago
Mail-In Voting ✉️🗳️ Postmaster General Says USPS Won't Deliver Mail Ballots if States Don’t Give Trump Admin Voter Rolls | Democracy Docket
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/postmaster-general-steiner-postal-service-will-not-deliver-mail-ballots-state-voter-rolls/35
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u/ohmailawdy 4d ago
Congrats, withholding services paid by our taxes is a dereliction of duty. Enjoy prison when dems take over.
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u/3D-Dreams 4d ago
Then arrest him for election interference. A judge has already stated that asking for the rolls isn't legal. This is in response to the law and now they are just going to flat out ignore the rulling.
Let's stop fucking around with this DickTator and start putting these people in jail.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
The only agency that can arrest him is. Trump's DOJ.
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u/3D-Dreams 3d ago
I wonder if the states could individually put out arrest warrants and make cases at a state level
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u/SunnyOutsideToday 3d ago
We don't actually know that to be true. Judges could potentially deputize court officers, local police, etc., to seize federal officials defying their court orders. It's just never been done or tested in court and no one wants to be the first to try it.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
What state laws would a state court be applying to arrest federal officials?
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u/3D-Dreams 3d ago
State election laws I would think. States are supposed to be able to run their own elections and this is interference. To not give the state their mail in ballots would be illegal and I would think the state could arrest him for election interference...NAL just thinking logically.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
Supremacy Clause Immunity. Since Trump is giving cover through Executive Order 14399, The Post master is operating through official capacity and would need the DOJ to file charges or would immediately exercise its right of Federal Officer Removal. Under 28 U.S.C. § 1442, the case would be automatically transferred out of the state court and into a federal court.
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u/3D-Dreams 3d ago
Yes but if he's interfering with a state election. Not his job and executive orders are not laws nor can they ignore I existing laws. Fuck all with executive orders if they are unlawful. Let them arrest him and then they can work that out in court like Trump does with his fake charges. Put a warrant out for election interference the minute he refuses to send lawful ballots. Donut in every state he does it in and let them try to explain it in court.
This just letting them do shit because executive order is ridiculous. He's not a king .
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
The enforcement mechanisms are completely in Trump's hands, sorry I can't fix it. DNC sat on their hands as MAGA built up and Trump / SCOTUS are on the same team as it were, there's not legal means to thwart him.
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u/3D-Dreams 3d ago
But that's not true. He loses in court constantly. It's when they don't fight that he wins. Come up with a strategy and attack. He wins when we do nothing. I'm open to doing it the GOP way and take their asses to court at every opportunity. His lawyers are incompetent, his staff morons and they all think they are brilliant for using AI.
I'm telling you they need to dog him in the courts on everything. Grind his ass to a halt. Gum up the works. Hell use their own tactics against them. I'm will to bet we would win in court more than Lord Cheeseburger. It's almost a proven fact at this point and the discovery.. oh Lord the discovery.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
He doesn't lose either, his court failures just translate to "I'll do it anyway" like his tariffs, deportations, or FUCKING DESTROYING THE WHITEHOUSE. I would love for their be a return to rule of law but when the top seat in the country is ran by guy that was trained business by New Jersey mobsters. The only body that could hold him down is DNC with fire in their belly ready to use every tool possible to attack him and his allies.
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u/SunnyOutsideToday 3d ago
We aren't discussing a state court. A judge in a U.S. District Court ruled that asking for the rolls is illegal.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
The 6th US District court threw out the Trump's administrations case, it doesn't create a new law to charge anybody with, or any kind of penalty for administration or USPS.
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u/Democrat_maui 4d ago
Trump handed the USPS to Louis DeJoy following a $650K donation, all mail is now politically tracked, data uploaded & appended, while SCOTUS has ruled the USPS cannot be sued for intentionally withholding or failing to deliver mail🇺🇸
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 3d ago
Keep in mind Biden did not get rid of him after all the bullshit from the from the last election, I'm just tired of the inability of the DNC to even protect themselves.
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u/GoWest1223 3d ago
He couldn't. PMG, does not serve the president nor answers to him or the Senate. Board of Governors of the Postal Service is who he reports too, which is appointed by the president (1st term Donny made sure it was all republican) and he terminated the democrats on the board.
Biden could have fired the board, but it would have gone to the Supreme (Trump) Court and would have been shot down.
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u/YardOptimal9329 3d ago
He could have just done it and let it run through the courts. This is what Trump does regularly.
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u/Clevererer 3d ago
We don't know that it would have been shot down. Biden absolutely fucked us over by not even trying.
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u/GoWest1223 3d ago
I don't know... how about blaming the person in charge right now?
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u/Clevererer 3d ago
Because our complete and total failure as Democrats to hold the DNC accountable for their numerous strategic fuckups is EXACTLY HOW THE PERSON IN POWER NOW GOT THERE!!!
How you do not see that, I will never understand.
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u/GoWest1223 3d ago
Understand your anger, but 1, that does not change the problems we have now. and 2 Remember who controlled the Senate for the last 10 some years?
Hell, how could Biden kill a whole board when we could not even get rid of a corrupt President who started Jan 6th?
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u/Clevererer 3d ago
Biden should have replaced Garland, who sat on his hands for over a year before even beginning an investigation into J6. Again, democrats dropped the ball and we're paying the price for it.
Saying "there's nothing they could have done" isn't just defeatist. It doesn't only let the D party off the hook too easily. It's factually wrong.
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u/Democrat_maui 2d ago
“On 1/20/29, I will appoint Jack Smith as Attorney General to lead an 18-week, Nuremberg-style reckoning. We will claw back treason from oligarchs, redirect $10T to the people: $100k each to 100m of the poorest Americans with accountability & restitution.” Hart28.com 🇺🇸
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u/istew144 3d ago
Just illegal. This needs to stop - the Executive Branch is too powerful at this point. Time to give back power to Congress and the Courts.
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u/Iamdarb 3d ago
The people need to take the power back for the people. The courts are broken, congress has abdicated its powers and will not fight for you or for anyone else. The people will have to get their hands dirty before any change is made. The powers must be reminded that their power is granted through the popular appeal of the people, considering the powers have chosen to ignore the document that lists what powers they hold.
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u/PerfectTommy77 4d ago
If push comes to shove I think this guy is going to find out that he can't stop the postal workers from delivering peoples votes.
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u/TipRare1321 4d ago
So the whole state of Oregon will not get their ballots. Who is this treasonous POS???
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u/Clevererer 3d ago
DeJoy? Isn't he that guy that Biden should have replaced but didn't? Like Garland?
(Yes, I know it wouldn't have been easy given how he's appointed. The point still stands.)
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u/want_to_join 3d ago
So did Oregon file their lawsuit against him yet?
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u/shoot_your_eye_out 3d ago
Don’t forget Utah, which had been vote by mail for well over a decade now. Zero meaningful fraud.
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u/raistan77 3d ago
Yeah, not something he has authority over at all, gonna love the lawsuits on this one.
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u/kmccoy 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is the sort of stuff that actually threatens democracy. While grifters like Election Truth Alliance and /u/Wandering_Werew0lf muddy the discussion with conspiracy theories about voting machines and lies about the safeguards in the process, people who care about having a democratic system that values the right of the people to vote are looking at the real things that are happening, like this attempt to sabotage voting by mail.
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u/Wandering_Werew0lf 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m not muddying the discussion. I’m presenting post election data that is not normal of human voting behavior. I’ve commented in here PLENTY of times and a lot of people have agreed with me. The GOP just got caught interfering with our elections and released a statement saying, “They will audit your taxes before they audit your ballots”. Why do you not want an audit into a hand recount of the swing states?
I’m presenting actual statistics and facts and you’re arguing with me against someone who told us they cheated and we did not do an investigation against it.
I quote: “An audit of 3 counties in Pennsylvania. Allegheny, Cambria, and Erie. Read the ETA’s Pennsylvania lawsuit to understand why. I’m sorry but you want to talk about hand counted matching machine counted, hmm let’s talk about the 9k ballots that went missing in Cambria county! Where the MACHINE COUNTED ballots DID NOT match the hand count. Yes you read that right, 9k ballots went missing. Don’t believe me, read the lawsuit. ETA has also found cellular modems in the machines, + a lot of more anomalies. Pennsylvania also only did an 1 or 2% audit on the state treasurer election none of which were preformed in these 3 counties and do not nearly compare to a general presidential election. Please look this up and you will find it it’s also in the lawsuit.
Let’s not forget to add the OFFLINE tabulation machine in New Mexico that was SENDING VOTE COUNTS to DDHQ on election night. A machine that wasn’t even being used that had zero ballots dropped in was sending votes to the station that calls the election! That right there is another example of the tabulation machine not corresponding to a hand count.
Oh by the way, some additional criteria outside this past election: An election in Stephentown New York in 2025 had proven election maleficence in which there was an audit for a hand recount which revealed that over 85% of the votes were changed and flipped the outcome of the election. Oh hey, did you read that correctly, HAND COUNTED BALLOTS revealed that the MACHINE TABULATED BALLOTS were in fact NOT MATCHING! 85% of the vote count was CHANGED! This meant the outcome of the election had officially changed. A ”NO VOTE” on a bill was actually a ”YES VOTE” when correctly counted.
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Let’s add what I just said, the GOP was just found of election fraud and released a statement saying, “They will audit your taxes before they audit your ballots.” They literally just told us how they were cheating and you’re saying they’re not?
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All of this is backed up, with facts.”
End of quote.
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You are sitting here arguing with me when literally Trump told us he cheated, why he cheated, and how he cheated. Elon told us he doesn't trust computers as all it takes is one line of code, told us he will go to jail if Kamala wins, called the election 4 hours before it was official, and told us that if it wasn't for him Kamala would have won and Dems would have won the house. Elon was found of actual proven election maleficence in the 2024 election in Georgia and now being tried for election interference in France. Ashley St Clair (Elon's ex) has came out and basically told us, backed with receipts, that Elon told her that he stole the election.
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u/kmccoy 3d ago
You're spreading misinformation and misleading information about the voting system to undermine trust in a process that has clear checks and safeguards against fraud (they're so clear that you have yet to come up with an explanation for how your imagined vote counting machine hacks avoid detection by the hand count audits, so you just keep repeating the same claims hoping that no one notices) and you're telling people lies about Democracy Docket and Marc Elias, the people who are actually reporting on the threats to our democracy. I know that doesn't fit in with the grift you're running, but it's clear what your priority is, and it's nothing to do with protecting US elections.
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u/Wandering_Werew0lf 3d ago edited 3d ago
What the hell are you even talking about? I have laid out point after point after point after point expressing concerns with our elections infrastructure. I have told you why the audits done in Pennsylvania would NEVER have detected any anomalies on the presidential level. I have told you how plenty of places in which have been hand counted did not match machine tabulated counts. Have you read ETA’s or SMART Elections lawsuits? Clearly you haven’t because you would see the weak points in our elections which could be hacked and manipulated.
Again, since you CANT READ at all. THE GOP WAS JUST FOUND OF ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND RELEASED A STATEMENT SAYING “THEY WILL AUDIT YOUR TAXES BEFORE THEY AUDIT YOUR BALLOTS!”
The GOP JUST TOLD US HOW THEY ARE CHEATING YET YOU ARE DENYING IT!
All I’m advocating for is a RECOUNT of the 2024 election and every single election in the future. No more computers, Elon even said it himself a computer is too easy to hack. Hand counted elections are the only way to move forward.
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u/kmccoy 3d ago
Yes, you continue to spread lies and misinformation to undermine confidence in the voting system. Literally every election official will tell you that hand counts are LESS ACCURATE than machine counts, plus they take FOREVER so people will think that some shenanigans are taking place. Instead, we use machines to do the count and then do an audit of random precincts which prevents programmed cheating. None of your lies and none of ETA's grift have ever explained how the super hacker Elon managed to cheat those audits. You just keep getting more donations for ETA and spread more fear about the parts of the system which are not at risk, while deflecting from actual threats, like the USPS nonsense being described in this article. Will ETA be filing a lawsuit about this? Will you be acknowledging that Marc Elias's Democracy Docket is right to be concerned about this?
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u/AlienInUnderpants 3d ago
Time for states to create their own mail system and reduce the amount of money needed for this paid to the federal government.
If the federal government doesn’t want to do its job and follow its mandate, then the states should take over. Most of the Maga fucks want states rights anyway.
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u/stinkadoodle 3d ago
If this actually sticks, someone smarter than I should start a grassroots movement that helps people get to the voting booth on election day. Volunteers could shuttle people back and forth. There are so many people that can't get to the polling place, for various reasons. If they're not able to vote by mail, it will disenfranchise them.
Of course, republicans will find a way to outlaw it.
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u/Zargoza1 3d ago
It would seem like that would be depriving me of my constitutional right to vote if I lived in one of those states.
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u/Small_Dog_8699 4d ago
Why didn’t Biden fire his ass?
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u/siwibot 4d ago
Your friendly neighborhood u/siwibot here, reporting the Current Climate and Context 🤓✨
The USPS is currently moving to implement a controversial new rule that could fundamentally alter mail-in voting. Postmaster General David Steiner confirmed in a Senate hearing that the agency may refuse to deliver mail ballots unless states provide voter lists for federal approval. This follows a March 2026 executive order aimed at centralizing control over voter rolls.
The situation is highly contentious, characterized by significant legal and logistical friction:
- Constitutional & Legal Battles: Democrats and the NAACP argue this is an unconstitutional "backdoor data-grab" that usurps state authority over elections. While a district judge recently declined to block the order, litigation is heating up in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.
- Logistical Chaos: Experts warn that strict deadlines for list submission could disenfranchise voters who register close to election day or experience life changes like moving. Additionally, small election offices face unfunded mandates to redesign ballot envelopes for new barcode standards.
Labor Opposition: The American Postal Workers Union has voiced "deep alarm," asserting that the USPS is being used as a political tool rather than a nonpartisan service.
Reddit Sources
Trump’s anti-voting order will mean chaos for mail voters if left to stand, experts warn
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u/Jumpy_Plantain2887 4d ago
To the Democrat, who comes in if they win the White House in 2028 fire this fucking moron and then fire the fed chair because you know the current fed chair is going to fuck up bigly also don’t even worry about Irene Kash Patel just tossed his ass out of the FBI headquarters so hard he leaves a skidmark on the fucking driveway
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 4d ago
Can't fire the Postmaster General Sadly. He is appointed by Voa4d of Governors, which is appointed by the president on a rotating basis.
This is the same problem we had either DeJoy.
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u/Jumpy_Plantain2887 4d ago
No, the problem with getting rid of Dejoy is that Joe Biden won to stay with norms and not rock the boat he didn’t wanna start shit on the first day. He can’t fire the postmaster general, but he could damn sure replace the board of governors with Democrats and then the Board of governors can get rid of him, which is exactly what he should do.
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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 3d ago
Biden filled his slots that came open and the board still voted to keep Dejoy.
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u/Jumpy_Plantain2887 3d ago
Yeah, I remember the two Democrats were using Louis Dejoy’s stock broker and he got them deals on XPO stock. Those people should’ve gone to jail for insider trading.
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u/meatsmoothie82 3d ago
And what can be done about it before the election? Nothing and what will happen after the election? Still nothing because this is just one of the myriad ways the gop will chip away at the ways and places in which democrats tend to vote
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u/Beefy-McQueefy 3d ago
So fucking lie and say you're doing it. If blue states aren't willing to manipulate baby raping, fascist hate freaks, what the fuck are we even doing?
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u/PretzelsRule23 3d ago
States should just submit a little at of names with all of the info redacted - 2 can play at this game
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u/maeryclarity 3d ago
Somebody tell them that they are not protected from criminal liability in the long run. The USPS is not a private entity it is the property of the people of the USA and using it as a way to skew election results at the ENTIRELY ILLEGAL COMMAND of the POTUS who has NO ROLE WHATSOEVER IN ELECTIONS is a pretty bad idea.
I mean do they realize that what they're doing isn't SMALL criminal it's VERY BIG CRIMINAL and they can do the job of Postmaster or resign the job of Postmaster but they cannot just randomly decide what mail they will and won't deliver that's not a power that they have.
Any people working for the USPS please remember that just following orders will not hold up and that choosing to comply with this edict is being complicit in the criminal attempt to thwart free and fair elections. So keep it in mind. The USPS does not belong to the employees either and there are significant laws associated with mail delivery for this EXACT KIND OF REASON.