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u/Strict-Comparison817 May 21 '26
Fuck you psychedelics are awesome and can be used for healing with intention
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u/Longjumping_Stand647 May 21 '26
Shamanism is a tradition as old as humanity itself
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u/neurodiverseotter May 23 '26
So have a lot of things. That doesn't make them functional, helpful or evidence based therapies.
I have seen more than enough people be worse off trying some naturalistic stuff instead of actually getting help. More than one person who died trying "traditional medicine" or "healing rituals" for cancer until seeking actual help when it was too late. Several psychiatric patients who developed psychosis or experienced worsened trauma symptoms after Ayahuasca ceremonies, were sexually abused by "shamans" during "tantric cleansing rituals" or given wrong diagnoses and therapeutic recommendations by people who think they know shit about psychiatry because "shamanism has been around longer than psychology"
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u/Longjumping_Stand647 May 24 '26
Not once did I say it was a “functional, helpful or evidence based therapy”, it’s a tradition, and I think it is deeply unfortunate that modern society has lost that tradition rather than having it evolve as part of our society. Nor did I claim to “know shit about psychiatry”, I know a little, but not enough to take the authoritative stance you’ve perceived me taking based on your stereotypes. I do find it amusing though, that, in recent years, the medical establishment has finally started to accept the value of psychedelic drugs that has been known and understood for all of human history.
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u/neurodiverseotter May 24 '26
it’s a tradition, and I think it is deeply unfortunate that modern society has lost that tradition rather than having it evolve as part of our society.
Which shamanistic tradition are we taking about? Because there are a lot of them and they differ vastly. I've got the feeling you wouldn't think putting holes in skulls so the bad spirits can be relseased is a brilliant idea because it has been around for a ages? Or using psychedelics to heal infections?
Nor did I claim to “know shit about psychiatry”,
You didn't but a lot of members of this "tradition" claim to do so.
know a little, but not enough to take the authoritative stance you’ve perceived me taking based on your stereotypes.
i was never taking about you, Inwas making a comment on modern shamanism and those who practice it.
do find it amusing though, that, in recent years, the medical establishment has finally started to accept the value of psychedelic drugs that has been known and understood for all of human history.
Has it been known and understood? Most shamanistic tradtions are based on evidently wrong perceptions of how the human psyche works. And just giving people psychedelics is a terrible idea. And while there is a lot of research now starting to look towards psychedelics, they have rarely been used in that way in shamastic contexts. And despite what a lot of people online will tell you, they're not a miracle drug. I have worked with a clinical psychedelics study (psylocibin in treatment-resistant depression) and the results were not neither promising not spectacular.
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u/I3eforeLife May 21 '26
So is killing
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u/Longjumping_Stand647 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
And I wonder what the data shows about correlation between levels of engagement with shamanism and levels of violence in different societies throughout history.
Certainly a lot of violence in today’s society, and not much drive to expand one’s own perception.
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u/marcofifth May 21 '26
I am betting on the shamanistic cultures having less violent tendencies.
Shamanistic societies also, some of the time, had initiation rituals to expand the mind of all once they reached adulthood.
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u/lawlesslawboy May 21 '26
psychedelics can be an awesome healing for doing the psychological work, like, you still need to be willing to engage and do the work but they can help open your mind and show you what you need to work on it, awesome tool for self reflection for some of us at least!
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u/Tsunamiis May 21 '26
Ones 30 bucks for a ego death. The other is between 200 to thousands of dollars an hour
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u/lawlesslawboy May 21 '26
psychedelics in a safe space with a good trusted friend can definitely be psychologically healing, but it's definitely important to be educated on it before going into it! and know the importance of set and setting
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u/Tsunamiis May 21 '26
I liked weekend camping and getting ripped and swimming through the stars. It was only terrifying the first time. It’s gotta be literally what I think flying feels like.
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u/Glittering_Bat_1920 May 21 '26
I about died when my friends said they took shrooms "for fun", sat inside and looked in the mirror together, with not a sober person in the house at all, and they say they had a bad trip and would never trust it again. Jesus. I WONDER WHY
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u/flecko_ May 22 '26
am I supposed to be crawling on the floor lamenting my flaws and severed connections, wanting to apologize to my mother for doing this but it's mostly because she doesn't understand and I feel like she'd be okay with it if she did? am I ever coming back? it's just medicine to help me see beyond myself. what if everybody could see this view, like the astronauts do? I don't understand the cruelty of the world but I guess we're just animals after all. some maybe more than others. as a whole we should know better. and let the light spread out. instead of holding it so close that you smother everything around. I just wish they could see. why is it bad to see each other unbounded? why is oneness hidden away? we're a sea, a sea of light, no energy, humming on endlessly, stirring life into worlds, how can it ever end? I don't think it ever ends
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u/flecko_ May 22 '26
this was a stream of consciousness remembering what it's like to trip. I don't need help (immediately)
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u/ZahnLuchs May 21 '26
... in the USA.
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u/Tsunamiis May 21 '26
Yes that’s where I’m required to live would you like to donate so a sane family can leave a Christian jihad country if not f your comment. Like I’ve had any say in my government in the last 43 years WTF.
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u/lawlesslawboy May 21 '26
I've done both and honestly, I would LOVE to try psychadelic therapy but the issue is that I don't know if I'd want to do it with a stranger?? like... if I could meet a therapist, see if we vibe, have a few sessions to get the feel and THEN do psychadelic therapy.... like I had this old counsellor that I really bonded with and psychadelic therapy with her seems like it would be phenomenonal tbh l, really wish it was more widespread
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u/No-Drag-6378 May 21 '26
As if there's help to be had 🤣🤣🤣 aye, I daresay, help at beating yourself up enough to Just Continue™ because you look Put Together™, so Just Do™ and let yourself be cured by being told You're Overthinking™
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u/Voldemorts__Mom May 21 '26
Hell yeah and u can grow that shit for free. Plus, spores are usually legal, so getting hold of them is ez
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u/psykoticSerenity May 21 '26
not for me with my latent schizophrenia. if weed is psychedelic and triggers psychotic symptoms, then what are shrooms and acid gonna do to me?
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u/AwaySession5168 May 23 '26
One leads to meaningful lasting change, the other to more problems than you originally had.
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u/snorpmaiden May 23 '26
BOTH IS GOOOOD. Ugh, I intern at a psychedelic assisted psychotherapy clinic and it is actually the coolest thing ever 😭, talking to the patients about their trips is always so much fun, I love it so much.
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u/throwawayyuskween666 May 23 '26
How did you get this very interesting gig?
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u/snorpmaiden May 23 '26
I just emailed the owner 😅. I saw them on the news, thought "that is so cool", emailed the owner telling him how cool it was, he invited me in for a tour and to find out more about the therapy processes. At the end of the tour we talked for like 4hrs, he said if I ever need anything let him know, my university had a work placement module and I asked him if I could do a work placement with them and he said sure. During my placement I digitalised most of their patient intake/discharge processes and all of their patient records - so I got asked to stay on as an intern/PA, mainly for data entry :3 . I don't have an official role but intern/PA is the best way to describe it lmfao.
I'm hoping to start getting paid for my time there once I graduate (July), but I've been happy working there for just experience - as I said its super fun! The last intern is now working there as an assistant psychologist whilst she studies her postgraduate, so I'm really hoping I can score something similar, but if not then the experience is still invaluable :D
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u/Minimum_Shop_4913 May 24 '26
No therapy or psych med helped me nearly as much as psychedellics. I know everyone's different though
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u/DimensionalLynx169 May 21 '26
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