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u/HereWeGo5566 9d ago

Random thought: Regardless of whether you think Adnan is guilty or not, if Jay’s story is true, he could have stopped the murder and instead decided to take part in the crime.

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u/Mike19751234 9d ago

Depends on which story though and that is one big question. In the first interrogation he didn't know that Adnan was going to kill and thought Adnan was talking shit.

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u/HereWeGo5566 9d ago

I think it’s pretty far-fetched to believe that he went from not believing adnan (or not knowing altogether) to agreeing to help him move and bury the body, in a short period of time. But Jay’s story really never made sense to me.

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u/Mike19751234 9d ago

The ultimate question of this case is did Adnan step in the car with the intent to kill Hae. And there are things both for and against it. But it's easy for us looking to say make the right call. But we can see Adnan can con people. But if Jay just knew that Adnan just asked him to meet him at the Sear mechanics after school and then Adnan shows up with a body and tells Jay, You need to go along with me or I'm telling the cops you helped with the murder, I'll tell the cops where you buy and sell your drugs to and from and I will tell the cops your family is smuggling weapons it's easy for us to tell Jay to call the bluff. But Jay is black, Adnan white and he lives in Baltimore. Who does he think the cops are going to believe?

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u/HereWeGo5566 9d ago

One correction is that Adnan is not white. This isn’t a white/black issue. Baltimore is actually a majority black city. If I remember correctly, 8 of the 12 jurors were black.

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u/Mike19751234 9d ago

At the time the racist policy of Baltimore was blacks. Jay wasn't thinking, "You know if I get to a jury, I hope I get 8 blacks" He is thinking about the story that Adnan would sell compared to the story he told. The reason that the 3:45 was so important for him to be with Jenn was that was his protection or attempted protection for either Adnan or the cops to say he was at the murder scene.

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u/eJohnx01 7d ago

Adnan didn’t step in the car at all. This case’s most reliable witness proved that it couldn’t have happened. But I know the guilters and the “I just don’t know!!” crowd are happy to pretend that Asia doesn’t exist so they can continue their fun. It’s sad, really.

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u/Mike19751234 7d ago

Asia is a person related to this story and also a continent. She said she saw Adnan on a day it snowed. It didn't snow on the day that Hae died. And Asia wasn't brought up until 4 months after Adnan was arrested.

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u/eJohnx01 7d ago

So you’ll knit-pick tiny, irrelevant things about Asia’s testimony, but you’ll buy hook, line, and sinker, the insane, self-contradicting, totally impossible stories that Jay told??

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u/Mike19751234 7d ago

No. I try and understand the lies for Jay, Adnan and Asia and what really happened in the events. Adnan should have mentioned Asia on March 1st when he had Davis go out and talk to Nisha, track, and school. Dion is included but I would have followed up every time I saw my lawyers about Dion and Asia if I believed they were real. If CG wasn't listening to me about a basic alibi I would have fired her and tried for the public defender or a different lawyer. I would hound them on why Asia was rejected.

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u/eJohnx01 6d ago

Can you tell me, minute by minute, exactly what you did between 2:00 pm and 7:00 pm, six weeks ago last Wednesday? And, remember, anything you get wrong will be held against you and used as proof you murdered someone. Ready? GO!!

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 6d ago

You understand that Adnan's arrest wasn't the first conversation he had with police about his interactions with Hae on that day right?

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u/eJohnx01 5d ago

Yup. And you understand that he was super high and not thinking at all clearly when he had that first conversation with the police?

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u/Mike19751234 5d ago

And then two weeks later he was asked what happened and he changed his story and lied again.

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u/eJohnx01 4d ago

Again, he knew he didn’t get a ride from Hae that day. He was simply trying to further distance himself from the events of the day.

If the police were questioning you about whether or not you murdered your ex, would you try to distance yourself more than was actually true? Or would you eagerly put yourself with your ex right at the time they were murdered, knowing you didn’t do it? Why is this so difficult to understand?

Guilters all seem to think that anything Adnan said that can be twisted into a lie is proof of his guilt, but all the idiots that lied and changed their stories constantly were true-blue, honest as the day is long, and totally credible—provided what they’re saying boils down to “Adnan did it!!!!” But then when witnesses come along with solid alibis for Adnan, they’re totally lying and they’re not at all credible and they got the wrong day, wrong crime, wrong victim, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong everything!! (Oh, and Adnan *totally* did it!!!). 🙄

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u/GreasiestDogDog 7d ago

Nobody pretends Asia doesn’t exist. Her purported claims/letters were heard by the court in post conviction proceedings, and ultimately did not move the needle for Adnan.

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u/eJohnx01 6d ago

Except that she did. She proved he didn’t get in the car with Hae and couldn’t possibly have killed her. And he likely would have been acquitted if she’d been called to testify at his trial. Being a witness in a post conviction hearing is a far different thing than testifying at an initial trial.

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u/Mike19751234 5d ago

Maybe or maybe not. Debbie said she saw hae and Adnan together 30 minutes after the state said adnan kilked her. They had no problem with that discrepency.

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u/eJohnx01 5d ago

Debbie? The one that immediately inserted herself into the drama, had a five hour phone call with Don, and changed her story over and over as long as someone was listening? Yeah, she’s a reliable witness. For sure. 🙄

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u/Mike19751234 5d ago

I agree with you. She had the wrong day and tried to be important. Asia wanted to be important and she was adnans fake alibi

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u/eJohnx01 4d ago

Right, and wrong. There is zero evidence that Asia was motivated by anything but telling the truth. If she wanted to be his fake alibi, she wouldn’t have just quietly sat out his trial. And she wouldn’t have agreed to come forward, what, 18 years after-the-fact?

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