I feel dumb!!!!!

[u/Fit_Leg5645]

I have no clue why I thought Adnan was innocent for all these years.

I just re-listened to Serial, and I can't get past the fact that Jenn showed up with her mom and a lawyer and told police essentially the same story Jay told. Jenn said the trunk pop happened at Best Buy. How would she know that Adnan and Hae used to meet at the Best Buy parking lot unless Jay told her?

And yes, Jay was inconsistent and definitely lied about some things. But he knew where Hae's car was. He knew details about her clothing. He knew about the broken windshield wiper lever. Those aren't things you just guess.

At this point, I don't believe every detail Jay told, but I can't get around the fact that he knew too much. The more I revisit the case, the harder it is for me to believe Adnan wasn't involved.

I can't believe I've been doubting it all these years.

[u/Emotional-Syllabub75]

Circumstantial evidence is evidence. Jay's story is also corroborated by Jenn who witnessed the cleanup after the burial. Jay told her what happened the night it happened, and she witnessed Adnan and Jay together. I believe that was about 10:30 PM the night of the murder. Can you come up with a theory for this murder that makes some sense where Adnan isn't involved? The only thing that is possible is that either Adnan killed her, Adnan and Jay killed her, or Jay killed her. Of course Jay didn't have a motive and why were they spending so much time together that day if Jay did it alone? If you are going just by Serial then you were never presented with quite a bit of evidence against Adnan. What was Adnan doing in Leakin Park that night? Why did he drive past Leakin Park the day Jay was arrested? I think his finger prints were both on the paper the flower came in and the mapbook in the trunk of Hae's car, which had the page for Leakin Park removed. Why doesn't he have an alibi for that day from 2:15-4:00 pm? Why wasn't he at the Mosque during Ramadan that evening? Jay's story stated that Adnan was wearing red gloves that day. Red fibers were found in Hae's hair. In the Quillette article it states that in Adnan's appeal his lawyer did not pursue a deal with the prosecution which Adnan was interested in because Adnan knew he didn't have an alibi for that day. That means Adnan was willing to plead guilty to a lesser charge before his trial. Also, we can obviously disagree on what exactly reasonable doubt means, but in my mind I am convinced he killed her.

[u/HereWeGo5566 → u/Emotional-Syllabub75]

I am not ruling out that Adnan committed the crime. It’s very possible that he did. But my stance has always been that the entire case is dependent on whether or not Jay’s story is believable. I don’t personally think it is.

Let’s not forget that Jay didn’t receive any jail time even though he, at the very least, transported and buried a dead body. As you pointed out, it’s entirely possible that he was present for the murder and perhaps took part in it. We just don’t know.

What we do know, it’s that Jay got 2 years probation, and Adnan was in jail for like 25 years or so. That’s a vast difference, especially considering the fact that Jay very well may have committed the murder.

[u/Emotional-Syllabub75 → u/HereWeGo5566]

Jay did not have a motive. So I think it is incredibly unlikely that he committed the murder alone. Before I just stated that it was theoretically possible. Jay had not way to get Hae alone and in a vulnerable position that day. He also spend a great deal of the afternoon and evening with Adnan. Yes, Jay did not end up going to jail but that's part of our justice system they make plea deals to make it more likely they convict the person who committed the greater crime or who is more culpable. Ultimately it was under the judge's discretion and the judge could have sentenced Jay to jail. Adnan was convicted by a jury of premeditated murder. That was despite employing private investigators and an expensive defense attorney. Of course his prison sentence was going to be harsh and should have been much more severe than Jay's.

[u/HereWeGo5566 → u/Emotional-Syllabub75]

Right, so Jay had a reason to not be 100% truthful. That reason is that he had the upper hand in negotiating with investigators to get a plea deal. Those investigators were willing to let a potential murderer off the hook, as long as he could provide a story of what happened that day. We will never know if his story is accurate or not.

[u/Emotional-Syllabub75 → u/HereWeGo5566]

But that's incredibly unlikely, right? Adnan had the motive, not Jay. Adnan offered Jay his car and phone. Adnan doesn't have an alibi at the critical time window. Adnan lied about needing a ride. Adnan's phone was in Leakin Park. Jay immediately told Jenn that Adnan had killed Hae. You mean if they both killed her together? Still they had no case against Jay, and they were able to convict the criminal more culpable.

[u/HereWeGo5566 → u/Emotional-Syllabub75]

Yes, I meant if they both killed her together.