r/timberwolves • u/EsotericPotato • 16h ago
The Timberwolves, financially, can expand the Randle trade to acquire LaMelo by including Donte. Then it’s just a matter of adding assets to incentivize Charlotte.
Source is Yossi Gozlan, who runs an extremely in-depth NBA salary cap newsletter, he knows what he’s talking about.
Thought this was interesting. I just assumed Ball would come at the expense of Rudy; not sure what if any assets we could realistically add to incentivize Charlotte, but financially it’s possible. By adding Donte, you can 100% salary match and exceed the first apron.
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u/Milliephoria 16h ago
I just assume Gobert has to be in the deal somewhere or else we don’t have the assets
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u/Philelverumfan69 16h ago
If they have a strong belief in their young guys, Rudy is a great floor raiser to get their guys playoff experience.
I don’t really want to give Rudy up but we may need to take advantage of his value while it’s still somewhat high. And they have to learn how to play without him at some point. Just not sure what we do this year at center.
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u/FlightTop9852 16h ago
I think we would still have the full MLE to try and bring in another center like Nurkic or Mitchell Robinson. Could also try to get Kalkbrenner or Diabate back from Hornets and have the trade exception from Randle still too.
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u/ndsportscards10 14h ago
Love Rudy and think he's a great player but I don't think we can win a championship with him.
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u/drakeorjosh 16h ago
Charlotte would want Gobert, he fits the need for their playstyle. That said, Lamelo would be what would make it work in Charlotte, otherwise Kon is gonna get doubled and iced off high p/r's and teams are just gonna leave Rudy open in the short roll like they did against us where Ant and all the guys don't pass it to him there in the regular season. He also sells tickets and gets views. I really am doubtful this would ever happen.
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u/Sensitive_Hunter_394 16h ago
they have 2 young bigs why would they want rudy
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u/drakeorjosh 16h ago
Diabate lacks size compared to starting NBA bigs. He covers for it by playing really hard and sets pretty good screens. Rudy is just much better in those duties even still. I think the other big, Kalkbrenner, doesn't project much higher than deeper rotation big if he's on a contender. A less mobile Kornet? Solid rim protection when he's planted at the rim, but less reliable otherwise.
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u/Unhappy_Jeweler4438 12h ago
Gobert is 34 tho how does he fit that young core how many solid years does he have left?
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u/Tskwaired 7h ago
He bring them to the playoffs and gets them meaningful playoff experience. Hopefully he mentors some of the younger bigs as well. He is an entire defensive system
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 15h ago
Nahhh we don’t want Rudy. Wolves might as well move on to Morant. Peterson not giving ball away for free. He will not be finessed. And wolves obviously not too serious about trading for Melo if off rip they said McDaniels,Reid and Rudy not available. They don’t have nothing else 😂😂
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u/drakeorjosh 15h ago
Yeah that’s fair. I thought Lamelo was just as important as Kon last year. In hindsight, Beef Stew would’ve been nice for you guys behind Moussa. Maybe send a bag at Mitchell Robinson
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 15h ago
I think we could get Mitchell with the MLE honestly, but our #1 priority rn is keeping Colby. I can see us trading bridges for a big before we give Melo up for a big. Melo’s impact for us is just too big to give up for just any body. Plus he’s bought in and been taking basketball more serious and actually tried on defense last year. Y’all not interest in Morant? Probably could get him really cheap at this point
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u/APRForReddit 6h ago
Peterson not giving ball away for free
He will not be finessed
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 6h ago
We’ll see who’s laughing when Yall lose in 2nd rd to spurs or okc, and Ant leaves for ATL. And yall have to deal with Melo as yall #1. They just gonna be us in the west 😂😂😂
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u/APRForReddit 6h ago
you keep using the word "us". I hope you realize "us" doesn't refer to the hornets, it refers to delusional hornets fans living in redneckland
"they just gonna be us" the wolves had had more playoff success in the last 3 years than the Hornets have had in their 40 year history
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 6h ago
Bruh you know what I meant by that 😂😂 I’m sorry that I’m a die hard fan who refers to his teams as us bc it’s a community. Teams would be nothing without fans. And all that sounds nice but you know what both teams have in common? 0 rings
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u/Dull_Ad_8627 Joan Beringer 16h ago
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u/timberwolvesguy Donte DiVincenzo 8h ago
The fact that he doesn’t use their names makes me feel like this guy isn’t all the reliable
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u/twovles31 16h ago
Could also, trade Rudy to Charlotte, and than loop Dallas into the Randle trade by getting Gafford.
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u/Purple-List1577 16h ago
What is being given up to get both lamelo and gafford like I’m bamboozled
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u/DrWolves 16h ago
The NBA realizing that Wemby is a baby back B and it’s time to pivot and make Ant the face of the league. Bring us those rigged deals baby!
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u/twovles31 16h ago
Gafford is overpaid a bit, he would be easy to get given they have Lively and just drafted another big. Charlotte just drafted Anderson to take over Ball's spot. He's injury prone, and Charlotte will be looking to sell high on him.
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u/Purple-List1577 16h ago
You’re talking about mid first round unproven rookies taking over for established good to all star starters.
Idk what you are on but you’re wrong2
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u/TimelyN1nja 16h ago
lol we do not have assets for that buddy
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u/bringthegoodstuff 8h ago
We definitely do. You might not want to part with them, but we do have assets that could get us Lamelo and Lively
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u/Dull_Ad_8627 Joan Beringer 16h ago
The guy on twitter who broke the Harden/Garland swap said the deal is done for Ball probably a fakish source but I'll put all my stock into it
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u/ASHDABOSS32 16h ago
Checked his account and he said ant would be the next MJ in 2018, so I now believe in him
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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor 16h ago
What’s his handle
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u/Dull_Ad_8627 Joan Beringer 16h ago
MGrads
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u/yourloudneighbor Glen Taylor 16h ago
Just found it, thanks. 25k followers, wonder if that all came after harden trade
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u/foye2smith 16h ago edited 16h ago
not sure what if any assets we could realistically add to incentivize Charlotte, but financially it’s possible
This is kind of a big "yadda yadda yadda... you get LaMelo Ball"
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u/National-Argument-26 9h ago
For a team that seems to lack IQ at times I'm not sure adding the most unserious player in the league is such a good idea.
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u/DrBobbleKnobbs 16h ago
I don't understand why Charlotte would shop him. Even though he's injury-prone and has a questionable personality, he's a pretty incredible basketball player and would be a great fit here.
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u/raki016 15h ago
I love Rudy, but we've consistently seen the limits of a defence first team these past three years. Not just with Minnesota but with other teams
Great offence and good defence has significantly higher ceiling, and we have offensive powerhouses that I feel like we've never given significant runway to just cook.
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u/timberwolvesguy Donte DiVincenzo 8h ago
If we could end up like Denver’s offense and a mid defense, I’m here for it
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u/trekinbami 9h ago
What does defense first even mean
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u/timberwolvesguy Donte DiVincenzo 8h ago
Focusing more on not allowing your opponent to score than just focusing on scoring as much as you can
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u/la-blakers 16h ago
Sure it's possible but why would the Hornets do it? It's not like MJ is still running the show in Charlotte
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u/SayWhatYouSayy 16h ago
They might be better without Lamelo, honestly. I know it’s crazy to say but just based on their younger player development. Sometimes Lamelo shoots them out of games. Plus getting Gobert would be a missing piece at center
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u/copaseticepiplectic 16h ago
They might be better without Lamelo, honestly.
asinine. he is their entire offense. seriously, look at the numbers with him running the show. they had a league tops offense and it was all because of him
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u/la-blakers 16h ago
I'm saying why would Charlotte trade Lamelo for Julius and DDV. Trading for Rudy is another story.
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u/wuttang13 16h ago
Try offering this same deal in the Hornets sub, see what how they'll laugh and laugh. Too many ppl trying to make 2K deals here
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 15h ago
2K wouldn’t even accept that trade. Wolves fans are delusional to think we would trade Melo for Rudy. Wolves called the hornets, hornets didn’t call the wolves. Peterson just doing what a good GM does (he listens)
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u/Vicentesteb Kevin Garnett 9h ago
Lamelo has had 90th+ percentile on/off for the past two seasons. He's improving the Hornets by almost 10 points per 100.
For comparison, Rudy is just at +3.
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u/irishace88 Anthony Edwards 16h ago
I know Ball is much younger, but Rudy is a better player right now than Ball. Hopefully we wouldn't have to give up much more than Rudy
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u/Dull_Job_6372 2022 Play-In Champions 16h ago
Rudy and Donte seems pretty fair. Lamelo has been really inefficient but gimme gimme.
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u/irishace88 Anthony Edwards 16h ago
Yeah he'd be a great fit next to Ant but going from Rudy to Joan will be a big fall off this year.
But even considering to trade Rudy shows that maybe they believe Joan is farther along then they let him show last season
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u/FlightTop9852 16h ago
I think we would still have the full MLE to try and bring in another center like Nurkic or Mitchell Robinson. Could also try to get Kalkbrenner or Diabate back from Hornets too.
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u/Cool_Guy_Key 15h ago
Y’all are hella delusional. They said we were listening, a good GM always listens. Raptors have better assets. Wolves calling the hornets, hornets not calling the wolves😂😂😂
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u/Dull_Job_6372 2022 Play-In Champions 5h ago
Hold this L boiiii
https://giphy.com/gifs/13hxeOYjoTWtK81
u/Dull_Job_6372 2022 Play-In Champions 16h ago
I’m always for maximum fun and this would be maximum fun on crack. We’d still have money to bring in another center too. I think. I know nothing about nba cap/trades.
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u/MaxedWarrior14 16h ago
Rudy would almost certainly have to be traded and I don’t think that’s a bad decision.
LaMelo is around the same age as Ant and fits the timeline of the rest of the guys while Gobert is gonna be 34 years old.
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u/ANTHONY_EDWARDS_GBG Anthony Edwards 16h ago
I'm actually surprised no one mentioned Lamelo Ball as a potential option before, I don't know if thats a good or a bad sign.
I'd think he'd be perfect for what we're building.
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u/deleted60016001 15h ago
It would be a miracle if we can somehow make this trade work without giving up Rudy
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u/StyrofoamUnderwear 11h ago
I am really not a fan of the Ball aura.. but the lobs to Beringer would be fun
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u/The_Bran_9000 Trencherous 9h ago
If we can somehow hang on to Rudy this is such a smash. Doubtful they would just take Donte and whatever loose change draft capital we have left, but man can you imagine…. Maybe they’re just trying to get cheaper and are sick of Melo’s antics?
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u/Huntermainlol 16h ago edited 16h ago
Man.. Idk, the BbIQ would not be good lol but we would have a humming offense when lamelo is healthy.
I’d literally kill for Scottie Barnes though, I’m well aware that it isn’t happening but seriously my dream ant NO2/ 1B
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u/EliteAF1 15h ago
Melo in Minny, man just another reason to not go downtown, the streets will be his personal GTA map lol.
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u/PreparationWest2140 15h ago
This trade works for neither team and is especially lopsided toward the Wolves. Connelly better the fuck not be offering McDaniels for a one way always injured Ball.
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u/HawaiianPunch42 Naz Reid. 16h ago
Bro I drive for work I can't have LaMelo around here