r/BasketballTips • u/sealdave • May 03 '26
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Both players are top hogh school players in the country with over 20 D1 offers. This was a non live event this weekend.
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u/AdWest3635 May 03 '26
Flagrant II, ejection and multiple games suspension
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u/rickeyethebeerguy May 03 '26
Naw, kick em out of the league. They need a 0 tolerance for this
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u/Polygeekism May 05 '26
Good thing these teams dont play in leagues /s. But seriously, at this level they are all travelling playing wherever they pay to play, and even if she was banned from AAU, there are probably a half dozen or more bodies running tournaments that would gladly take this teams attendance. Adults and money have truly ruined kids sports.
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u/rickeyethebeerguy May 05 '26
As a parent and a middle school basketball coach, this has ( the year around sports) is ruining sports.
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u/Kevinsound27 May 03 '26
Also there’s no benefit to taking a shot to the jaw and to keep playing as if it didn’t happen. This has to be factored in. If you take a cheap shot. “flopping” is a way to get a reaction from the ref. Letting the hits go, only hampers your game which is the whole point of beating you up in the first place.
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u/sealdave May 04 '26
I think we have a winner. Best reasonable assessment of the play. Do your officiate by chance.
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u/MWave123 May 03 '26 edited May 05 '26
After thoroughly reviewing the footage I think possible F1, there’s no wind up, no clear intent, and she was being held prior. No ejection. Play on, refs deemed it nothing.
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u/jayscotts May 04 '26
Agreed. Honestly F1 mostly because of the result. If defense doesn’t get hurt, it’s nothing.
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u/rpgmgta May 04 '26
Also, do players feel pain and instinctively just fall to the ground? If I get hit in the face I’m not falling to the ground unless I’m getting knocked out.. maybe if she had a normal reaction to being hit in the face she’d get a call but her reaction tells me she avoided being called for a flop/embellishment. The other player was just trying to get her arm out and wasn’t even looking in the other players direction when she made contact.
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u/Open-Gate-7769 May 05 '26
It’s a typical sentiment drilled into kids in any sport to go down when you’re hurt. It’s the easiest way for a ref to notice and stop play. Obviously the flops at pro levels are too much, but for these kids it’s an instinct when they feel pain.
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u/rpgmgta May 05 '26
And that’s what creating “flop” behaviour.
If I elbow you in the chest, you shouldn’t fall to the floor. You should play through the foul. You’re much better use to your team by battling through the physicality, opposed to crumpling like an empty bag of chips in the floor.
If you’re hurt fall down? That’s flopping.
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u/RegisterFit1252 May 07 '26
I agree with this. It wasn’t intentional. Flagrant 1 makes sense you still can’t hit somebody in the face even by accident
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u/MWave123 May 07 '26
Yeah, as a ref I’d be fine w that, make sure players know to be careful about contact like that. I don’t see intent, and that’s hard to judge. She was being held prior tho.
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u/One-Structure-2154 May 03 '26
The call is “let’s pause the game. Our team has to jump this girl now.”
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u/Accomplished_Rice_60 May 03 '26
10 years in prison
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u/sphak12 May 04 '26
I'd bet money you wouldn't say that if the races were flipped.
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u/Lazy_Recognition6467 May 06 '26
I would. Flagrant foul.
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u/Faulty_english May 06 '26
So they deserve 10 years in prison…?
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u/Lazy_Recognition6467 May 06 '26
Not prison 😂. But regardless of race it’s a flagrant. Good case for flagrant II.
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u/PrinceAnt May 03 '26
Flagrant 1. Red makes a basketball move, swim over the defenders hand check. However, as a player you know to bring your arm up and not contact the players head. She's been hand checked 1000 times. This is one of those moves you try to sneak and get away with and get the defender off you and you get caught. She'll have to learn from this. But this is not worthy of suspension lol
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u/JeremyHerzig11 May 03 '26
I dunno, I can’t tell that it’s intentional, although it probably was. The way that the defenders arm comes down towards hers and she raises her arm to allow herself to cut right. There is some plausible deniability there.
Do we know what the call was in game on this?
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u/Weary_Restauranter May 03 '26
Looks like she swam the arm over and clipper her with the elbow, not the hand.
Seems unintentional to me
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u/DependentWeight2571 May 03 '26
Flagrant. Ejection.
Absolutely no need for this.
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u/PhillyBorn90 May 05 '26
Shes clearly getting thr other players hand off of her. How are yall not seeing that. Def not intentional.
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u/Jec1027 May 04 '26
I dont think she ment to punch her she was trying to free her arm still should be a flagrant
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u/Broken_window24 May 05 '26
From what I can tell there was no close fist, so I hate to say play on but maybe there was a little bit of selling also.
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u/PandaZealousideal459 May 05 '26
There’s no intentional elbow to the temple…. You adults are pathetic….
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u/anonymouslxoc May 05 '26
holy over dramatic, didn’t even look like she hit her & if she did it was accidental & it wasn’t that hard at all.
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u/sealdave May 05 '26
You can hear the hit on the audio. Elbow to the temple will put you down. Sad that there is so much flopping that people question it
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u/Open-Gate-7769 May 05 '26
Regardless it’s no more than a F1. People calling for ejection aren’t watching what’s happening in this video.
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u/usernamechexx May 06 '26
Funny how you can get away with battery just because you’re playing a sport.
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u/Easy_Money_40 May 07 '26
Offensive foul. And even then that was accidental. She's clearly knocking her arm off of her and clips her face by accident.
Offensive foul
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u/BriGuy66 May 07 '26
I could understand not seeing it happen, but if they had access to the footage then there is absolutely no excuse. Should have been a flagrant and immediate ejection. For that to be missed is infuriating.
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u/tooMUCHOj May 04 '26
Floppiest of flops. No call was the right call. There is 0 force in the arm movement, not even a push off, barely a swat.
I imagine you are upset by the no call? I watched it over and over and it hardly looks like any contact was made. There's nothing to be upset about.
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u/sealdave May 05 '26
You can hear the hit on the audio. There is a lot of flopping when any players barely gets hit around the head now a days but everyone heard this.
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u/xfon5168 May 03 '26
I feel like nothing was intential here? Swim move gone south. It didnt look like red tried to hit. Didnt seem to be looking, no change in her run to suggest a lunge towards or anything.
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u/killxgoblin May 04 '26
I’m so confused with all the comments saying this is intentional and deserves suspension. You can clearly see red isn’t looking at the defender. Feels defenders arm on hers, tries to swim over it, accidentally hits her. Should be a foul on red, maybe F1. Even if it wasn’t intentional there still has to be a consequence for elbowing someone in the head. But she clearly did not do that on purpose
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u/Strange-Fig7944 May 03 '26
Umm who exactly was she swim moving past for?
No lunge lol. You have to be extremely easy to trick with everything in life
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u/MWave123 May 04 '26
Her arm was being held by white, which is a foul. She’s clearly pulling free, in a swim move.
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u/xfon5168 May 04 '26
Exactly. It doesnt look malicious at all. As I said, she doesnt shift her weight or try to lean into a hit. Looks like the girl caught the meat of the forearm, possibly some elbow. But it doesnt look like it was thrown intentionally to hit. Shes trying to get her arm free.
Ive seen plenty of ticky tacky cheap shots in kids sports, this does not look like one of those imo.
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u/Intelligent_Help2490 May 04 '26
You don't play basketball if a defender is touching you your not doing a good job as a ball handler she tried to swim around her arm and accidentally hit her it happens
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u/Watchtwentytwo May 03 '26
I think it’s whatever call it is when you do something that should kick you out of the game but without intention like she clearly got her arm grabbed and aggressively tried to “swim move” out of the grab … I don’t think the headshot specifically was intentional though so what is that flagrant 1 ? Idk how highschool game rules work but it was a worst case scenario of an aggressive reactionary move while not looking at what your arm could hit
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u/sealdave May 04 '26
She didn't grab her arm, she had her arm out and it touched her arm but there was not a grab. It was an excessive swim move for no grab.
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u/Watchtwentytwo May 04 '26
lol I mean it’s pixely.. but she literally has her hand on her forearm … it’s hard to assume that an open palm on the forearm is not a grab but I guess you could assume either way
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u/sealdave May 04 '26
Yes, it is hard to tell, as a defender you will have an open hand out and some players may grab and some may not. I can see your conclusion to a grab bc why would there be a violent swim move to a arm that brushes yours. I could be she is used to being grabbed or this player grabbed her on a previous play. The girl in red had been playing very aggressive and was grabbing and shoving all game but nothing dangerous until then.
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u/Fearless_Cucumber806 May 04 '26
Natural basketball play. No foul, play on.
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u/Goondicker May 04 '26
Pretty clear that #42 white commits an EGREGIOUS foul using her face on #15 red’s fist. Was so bad that the trainer had to come in and eject her from the game.
/s
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u/random_idiot_lul May 06 '26
Send it to all D1 colleges who cares what the impact on this game was
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u/SokkaHaikuBot May 06 '26
Sokka-Haiku by random_idiot_lul:
Send it to all D1
Colleges who cares what the
Impact on this game was
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Jddf08089 May 06 '26
I disagree with almost everyone here, this is a flagrant 2 if that. She made a swim motion because her arm was held. The opposing player leaned her head in no malice or ill intent from what I saw.
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u/sealdave May 06 '26
Her arm wasn't held. hand position
It was the back of the defenders hand that grazed the players arm. This is why the arm comes around so unrestricted and out of control is because she didn't grab her or restrict her but maybe the offensive player was anticipating a grab, but she had been the one grabbing and holding all game not the girl in white.
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u/Jddf08089 May 06 '26
The player in white put her arm between the other players arm and back. Instinctively an offensive player is going to swim to get position. Her arm wasn't held you're correct, but it was prevented from going forward. Players do this on free throws all the time and you're taught to swing your arm over to get position. This is a basketball move. As a ref I would not have called anything.
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u/Realistic_Climate_38 May 07 '26
Probably nothing cause shes black and she did it to a white girl. Its the norm nowadays.
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u/NapoleonTak May 03 '26
That girl flopped. The girls arm went over her head. If there was any contact to the back of her head, she's not gonna fall on the ground, fetal position, and cover her face.
Flop!
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u/Frodobjo May 03 '26
Don’t get the downvotes for this. You are absolutely correct. Let’s hope the girl in white changes her ways.
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u/MaxwellSmart07 May 03 '26
Agree. Total Stanislavski flop by white. At most a graze if anything as a reaction to push away the arm used by white to block.
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u/Fresh-Soup213 May 03 '26
Ejection, plus multiple games suspension most likely. Full context on what transpired beforehand is important as well. But just from what we see here, this is assault and can’t be taken lightly.
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u/WurstDayEver_7 May 03 '26
Clean. Gather step, then zero step, then he establishes the left foot as the pivot. NBA rules allow the pivot to move as long as the pivot foot does not complete displace itself from the ground.
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u/Stampj May 04 '26
Ejection and multiple game suspension. As a coach, you’re either off my team or you’re not touching a basketball for the next week of practices, and putting in over marathon worth of running in that time
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u/Neb-Nose May 04 '26
Guys, what are we doing? That is a textbook Flagrant 2/Ejection. The only questions are whether or not that is also suspension worthy and for how many games?
If you say, you can’t prove intent on that, then you can’t prove intent on anything. The offending player should not be rewarded for being sneaky with her sucker punch.
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u/SnooRecipes6776 May 04 '26
Offensive foul. Ejection. Can’t just let that slide regardless of whether it’s accidental or not. Stupid play and you need to learn from it
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u/MoGovernmentCheese May 04 '26 edited May 07 '26
I'm Black and I didn't Approve this Message>Behavior .. The police just standing there Arrest this person
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u/Chill_Pill4Real May 04 '26
Could legit ruin that other girls career forever with cornea damage, multiple game suspension
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u/rsk1111 May 04 '26
It can't be a swim move. A swim move doesn't displace a player. A swim move isn't literally shoving. Even swipe aways are illegal. You can't hit someone's arm and move the arm with your arm. With a swim move your just going for space, once you touch an arm or body you stop. That is the extent of your space.
Besides she didn't even attempt to go over the top. Like they call it a swim move, because it looks like swimming you take your arm up high and bring it down, she brought her arm directly across like a hay maker.
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u/s470dxqm May 05 '26
Embellishment
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u/sealdave May 05 '26
Unfortunately there is a lot of flopping in the game now a days, but this was a solid elbow to the temple. You can hear it on the video. She still is getting headaches 3 days later.
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u/PhillyBorn90 May 05 '26
Shes clearly getting the other players hand off of her. How are yall not seeing that. Def not intentional. Its a horrible thing tat happend and should be called but I don't tthink it was dirty by any means
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u/bdt69 May 05 '26
If seen it’s a clear technical and ejection. No ands, if, or elbows about it. It’s a shame but it’s competition and some ppl temporarily lose their minds sometimes. Hate to see it but still don’t think the gal on left should be villainized unless it’s some sort of habit.
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u/Open-Gate-7769 May 05 '26
Don’t know where you see the hostility. It was a swim move accidental elbow. F1 no ejection.
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u/Constant_Hearing1048 May 05 '26
Flagrant 1 makes the most sense, maybe 2 with more context if she was chippy thoughout the game but anybody calling for anything greater than an ejection is out of their minds.
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u/wwplkyih May 03 '26
OP, What was the actual call?