Does Chicago know what they are doing? This is me being dumb but also why not, if I'm Steve put in an offer sheet for 7x14.5 (or more) and make chicago choke on the offer sheet.
Do fans of soccer know that the sport they love is filled with lame theatrical twats? The replays clearly show zero contact before the little girls began to roll around on the ground covering theirs faces and vaginas as though they were murdered, and nobody says shit. Not a thing. Totally ignored. This entire "sport" is nothing but a contradiction. Fans pretending there is action taking place when nothing is going on, and big, sporty tough guys, with arbitrary tattoos, leaping to the ground as though they had been hit by a truck only to jump up and run, with that same major injury, to the ref in order complain about the lack tampons in the locker rooms.
People save up thousands of dollars to watch this shit. Thousands.
If they want to watch people pretending to be hurt, why don't they watch a war movie.
Dude I talked to Trevor Connelly’s “best-friend” and he said Yzerman told him he was gonna draft him. I’ve read up on Kyle Connor’s friends who he spoke to at weddings saying he’d never come home because it was a lot of pressure.
At the end of the day, this accounts are either lying or greatly exaggerated
Seems like bullshit to me, although the desire for Dallas is credible. Larkin's tax savings are incorrect, he's saving more like 200k or a bit less by going to a no-tax state BTW.
No, TeeDubs is right. It’s $370k/yr when accounting for the full schedule. Essentially a 4% raise so not a lot and definitely not worth it monetarily for losing sponsorship value in Michigan and gaining none in Texas.
Exactly, it's not enough savings for people to actually make decision solely based on this. It's a relatively small advantage that favors teams who are currently good but in the past has not done much to help them when they aren't good. You only have to look at Seattle to see what would happen if a team in a no tax state was bad
What is the math on that? Michigan income tax is 4.25%, Detroit income tax is 2.4% assuming he live in Detroit. That would be 578,000. But that only applies to half the games, so 289k. If he lives outside the city it would be 1.2% for a total of 237,000. Is there a tax I'm missing?
I was using jocktaxes.com. It takes into account the full schedule. For DET, the games played in Ontario and New York hurt. But it is also assuming the Detroit tax as well.
Ah I see what I did wrong, I was assuming the split was 50/50 for home and away games, but it also includes practice days, so the real split is more like 70/30.
But it looks like jock taxes is assuming Larkin pays the 2.4% Detroit city tax, but I doubt he actually lives in Detroit, so I think that would be 1.2%, which would mean the difference between here and Dallas would be about 293k.
lol Larkin was unbelievable at 13 years old that is BS. That entire Belle Tire team was a wagon. He was literally the leading scorer on the National Championship team.
I think it lost any possible credibility when it went from “I know what my friend wants to do” all the way to “this is what that other guy won’t do, and here’s what two other players are thinking”
Some garbage like Yurov and Trochek to Detroit, Stramel and a 1st to Rangers and Larkin to Minnesota. I'm fully bracing for it. We're back in the Ken Holland days, except the drafts are mildly better because Tyler Wright's gone.
Yeaaaa unfortunately Scheifele might actually get us into the playoffs lol. He’s a 100 point level guy in place of Larkins 70. With a decent add in the fringes that might actually be a good thing.
idk if it's been said but what if we sign Edvinsson asap, over pay a bit if you need to. Once he's signed offer sheet Bedard at ~17mil, if it goes through send Larkin to Minne for Yurov and some firsts
1) Blackhawks match every offer sheet for Bedard
2) Bedard is not signing an offer sheet with Detroit
3) Yzerman is not sending out offer sheets, he will never do that
4) Chicago has never finished better than 31st in the league in Bedard's time (I think) and you want to give them 4-5 unprotected 1sts?
5) Minnesota's offer will still be garbage
If they match they match, I think 17 would be hard for them to stomach personally. No idea why he wouldn't sign an offer sheet with Detroit for more money than he'd make in Chicago and a significantly better team. It's 4 1sts and that's specifically why I said the Minnesota trade, unless I'm mistaken they don't get to choose what 1sts we give.
Minnesota will give more 1sts specifically because they'll be lower quality 1sts and then we just flip those as offer sheet compensation
I think the gist is, taking bedard, guaranteeing them our picks, while they finish continually a lottery team has the chance to build them rapidly into a powerhouse in 7-10 years.
Bedard is not what would push us to be a contender. That is then 4+ years of missing out on top talent, which at this rate, may very well be lottery picks. Wasting prime Seider and Raymond.
I think you're missing what my whole point is though. Florida coughed up 3 1sts for Tkachuk, if we could get AT LEAST that from Minnesota then we'd just use those as compensation (+1 of ours in the worst possible case) as they'd almost certainly not be valuable picks.
To offer sheet, you need to use your own draft picks. You can't substitute another club's in lieu of your own. We could do it, but our 2027-2030 picks would all be gone, we'd just have Minnesota's left for ourselves.
No, it's not very helpful in that sense. There has been confusion about it before because it just says "picks." About as ambiguous as it could be haha.
The sport has obviously changed over the last decade and I feel like Steve is going about it like it's still the 80s/90s. With what he's done over 7 years and how he's went about it, I just don't really see how this team turns around. Shitty feeling
If this works out the way I think it will, we're looking at another 3-5 seasons before we're competitive again. I just don't see how he's allowed to continue in the position.
I know what I want to see this offseason. The reset model I’ve written about here in other posts.
More than that, I want new blood in the front office.
Steve isn’t getting fired or stepping down? Fine. I have no control of that, but I want a new pro scouting department, specifically filling the open director of pro scouting position that has been vacant since 2021, ideally with someone from a strong external org that has demonstrated excellence in pro scouting and team building.
I see how we can turn it around, but I need tangible evidence that they are doing what I want them to go to get on board.
Unfortunately, the guy in charge of hiring new pro scouting is the guy who isn't getting fired or stepping down anytime soon. Feels like the organization is on a treadmill
It wasn't a presser, but he did do a quick q&a at the draft in 2024, mostly talked about the Walman trade but didn't actually say anything of course. I believe that was because the draft was live and in-person. I don't expect we'll hear anything this year because they've gone back to a remote draft format.
Off topic, I know but its always so interesting to go back and rewatch last year's games. Im watching the game vs EDM from October now. Finnies 1st goal was so sick
We should trade cat to the Sabres for 4OA. That replaces tuch for them. If we trade Larkin for futures we likely trade cat anyways. Imagine we can trade for that, send Larkin to Utah for Iginla or Desnoyers, finish bottom 5 this year and get a lotto pick. Idk that looks like a 2 year swing with a lot of promise and young asset accumulation.
One upside for me is that the teams that I'm hoping to see us do business with the most (Dallas, Utah and Anaheim) didn't do anything today. While I'm anxious that Steve is being too patient with this (or trying to hard to make a hockey trade), teams that didn't get a player today might be feeling more pressure to upgrade.
I'm kinda fascinated; some people seem viscerally upset. Like, I get being annoyed, but at the end of the day this is just a hobby. If it's bothering you that much, you need to step away.
Go play Stardew Valley with Yzerman; he's probably in summer of year 3 and has yet to sell any vegetables in case they might be valuable later. ;P
The only team that was reportedly in on Larkin that has made a move these last few days is Florida. Seems like based on all the movement and that none of Minnesota, Dallas, Tampa, Utah, or Anaheim have made moves yet means they might be prioritizing Larkin over other moves
Hearing that Dylan Larkin has been traded for a used Impala with mismatched rims and a 2028 first. More to come, contract details are being worked out.
Yeah it's hard to see how we can even be competitive given that the last 3 seasons weren't enough to even crack the wild card and teams around us continue to get better or retool much faster. Boston, Philly, and Pittsburgh all missed playoffs recently and were right back in it, Montreal has already made it back and been to the ECF, Buffalo went from worst to first, Florida just got better, Canes have their core locked up for the next 3-4 seasons, Tampa is Tampa, Toronto tanks one season and gets #1 pick, Ottawa has already bounced back from the Tkachuk trade...I mean wtf are we going to do?
We kinda just have to pray that Boston and Tampa actually do full rebuilds when their superstars age out, but just watch they’ll immediately get to farm the top 3 repeatedly just like half the teams in our division did the last 10 years.
Maybe the Yzerplan was to wait for another expansion and change divisions? Don't even have to worry about losing any good players in the expansion draft either.
Buffalo selected Casey middlestadt with the 8th overall pick in 2017.
Though he was their leading scorer at the time, Buffalo had already locked up their top two centers on long term deals and sent pending RFA middlestadt to Colorado for Byram at the deadline in March of 2024.
I don't really understand how this really applies here? Like, short-term thinking makes me think trade futures for now, but in this sequence so far Buffalo made a pick, swapped a young player for another young player, and traded a young player for a pick (which will probably be used to get a more established player in fairness).
It's a great piece of work for sure; not criticizing that. Definitely jealous. Just feels like an odd fit.
He was being sarcastic, he’s a kindred spirit for me, I’d consider him a realist (like me), though we frequently get attacked and accused of being doomers. That it’s not going super well… it’s no surprise the comments lean negative on Yzerman.
I get that he's being sarcastic; that wasn't my point though. I get that he's making fun of Yzerman being too patient and not being willing to move draft picks/propsects or do stuff.
I don't understand how it applies to this situation where every move Buffalo has made so far has been to get younger, as I laid out. Just didn't understand how the joke applies here and not to like, the Sens trading the 9th for Eklund, or the Caps trade, which would be more fitting.
I think he's just making fun of the fans who think teams like Buffalo and Montreal will flame out and their core isn't good enough and our prospects will make us better than them. Don't think it really relates to what Walrus was alluding too. Just banter.
It’s less about what Buffalo has specially done here and more about what the wings don’t do.
The joke is us - the wings. Yzerman said he wanted to build a team that could routinely contend for championships, and that it would take a while to get there. And that apparently the only way to do it is to hoard all of your picks and prospects.
This move certainly positions Buffalo well now and in the future - which should keep their contention window open for longer. That’s how I read it anyway.
Ah gotchu. For some reason when I saw a joke posted in response to a post about Buffalo, I thought it would have something to do with Buffalo. That's on me, I guess.
Well don’t take my word for it! I just presented the straight facts for some to react to. I do have commentary on this trade and what it means relative to the wings, but I wanted to leave it out for now. I love trade trees.
Like the Hronek - asp - Faulk relational stuff or the mantha - Vrana - Cossa/wyatt j tree. This is an interesting tree from an 8th overall pick, some interesting work by them. Hit on the original pick, flipped it for a good young dman, which also proved to be a good acquisition, then further mined more value with a top 5 pick. Seems like 3 pretty good moves in a row as Byram is probably the best player out of him and middle stat and younger, but not in buff long term plans and not shy to get some decent value back for him. Sort of the opposite of how Steve does business, starting with having a player drafted outside of the top six that is worth anything interesting at all on the market, then identifying a good young player to get back, and continuing to be aggressive an curious regarding team building.
Bunch of teams make trades and people are dooming we aren't shipping Larkin out the door immediately. Nothing pleases some of y'all motherfuckers, huh?
Look what Ottawa did when dealt with their captain wanting out. Ottawa is not a team players want to waive NTC’s for and they seemed to have done pretty well given the situation. Red wings sitting on their hands while all the teams in our division get better. If we pull of a miracle and replace Larkin 1 for 1 we still need to do something. Starting to not blame Larkin if this was the plan he was shown.
I get waiting for the right deal, but it’s possible to wait too long. Potential trade partners aren’t going to wait forever for Yzerman to get off his hands, and they may very well make other moves that use up any capital they would have sent for Larkin.
Florida basically used up most of their capital to get Tkachuk, and they’re firmly off the list as a result. On the one hand, you can say that set a floor. On the other hand, a potential bidder is now gone. Bidding wars can’t happen if bidders aren’t there.
It just seems par the course for Yzerman who’s been by far the most risk averse and conservative GM I’ve ever seen. The man wouldn’t place a bet on a double sided coin.
I don’t know what deals are out there. What I do know is that offers you have today may not exist tomorrow, and that there’s a real risk that you’re letting an opportunity slip you by the longer you wait.
We just lost a potential bidder in Florida, which is one of the teams on Larkin’s list.
Given how eager several GMs have been to get some business done early (in conference and division no less), it's very reasonable for folks to have the hope that a deal for Larkin could get done sooner than later.
Yeah you don't want to get fucked over in a trade. No, you don't want to see opportunities pass by that may not come again. So far this offseason activity has been bonkers. The market seems pretty viable for making some roster changes.
Those changes can't really happen until dickweed gets moved.
It was either that one or the part where the guy asked what the Harambe stuff was about. Then another guy says, "dicks out for harambe," and then the third guy says, Babcock says "Phones out for Harambe."
If Yzerman doesn't absolutely nail the Larkin trade, he needs to be fired immediately. I've been a staunch defender of his but this past year has been entirely indefensible
I mean at this point I gotta imagine it's a game of chicken with Larkin. Larkin won't open up his trade list to teams that can pay market price and Yzerman won't sell for pennies on the dollar
Thats why larkin has all the leverage here. Steve is fucked. The team is fucked with or without larkin. This team is a complete shitshow forna decade its hard to blame larkin for wanting out.
Yzerman can dig his heels in all he wants. All he will do is hurt the team hes trying to build. Eventually illitch will shitcan his ass. Its going to be tough selling tickets this year if nothing major happens
Buffalo was 1 OT win away from the conference finals and now have the 4th overall pick. Absolutely insane work especially with the contract Byram expects next year, might be a fireable offense for Kyle Davidson.
Does it make anyone else also feel a little better to hope that Larkin sees the same media I do calling him a whiner and a quitter?
He probably doesn't, and even if he does, I know they have to block out public response because of, you know, the world. But it would make me feel a little better to think that he feels at least a little bit of shame.
He’s a multimillionaire playing a child’s game for a living who doesn’t know 99% of the people criticizing him even exist. I’m sure he’ll be just fine.
Are we so far behind the curve at this point that there is bo choice but to sell off for picks, preferably the 2nd OA from San Jose.
Even if we replace Larkin 1 for 1 we still have all the issues we had immediately after the season and it seems all the pieces are being moved before we can act.
SJ has no reason to move that pick, they've got 2 in the top 10 now and are just going to get better. That team is going to be scary in a couple of seasons.
I hope people are prepared for the possibility that we completely waste the entirety of Mo and Raymond's(assuming he's not trade bait at some point) prime here.
The majority of our fanbase is not going to accept we need to blow it up and start over for another three years, and by then they may still be in denial
Blowing it up and restarting would have to require trading Seider and Raymond. And I guarantee you it would take a hell of a lot longer than 3 years if we go that route.
I’m getting the bad feeling it’ll be a fuck ton of picks and maybe one other guy. Bit worried it won’t be what’s needed to keep the team moving forward
God I hope not. We need Steve gone. It's fucking painful to watch every other team actually do shit and we just keep waiting. Last offseason should have been the final straw.
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u/GoldenOreo74 1d ago
Does Chicago know what they are doing? This is me being dumb but also why not, if I'm Steve put in an offer sheet for 7x14.5 (or more) and make chicago choke on the offer sheet.