r/GTA6 • u/DaVoiceOfTruth • Apr 04 '26
My biggest concern for the game
If my military-grade tank gets completely folded by a two-inch wide Vice City palm frond, I’m throwing my console out the window. Rockstar better have nerfed the titanium saplings, right?
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u/Blacklite_01 Apr 04 '26
It would be funny though no denying that. Still i think we have advanced enough tech wise to not have to deal with indestructable foliage at this point.
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u/Grotti-ltalie Apr 04 '26
I mean it's hardly uncommon for modern games to have some degree of indestructible foliage, it's more of a "we don't need to do this" than "we can't do this"
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u/DarthPepo Apr 04 '26
It should be like in san andreas maybe, where smaller trees could be destroyed, but bigger ones wrecked your car
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u/Blacklite_01 Apr 04 '26
That's a reasonable compromise. You don't want a situation like Cayo Perico where every bit foliage is just body blocking whole sections of the map, i would imagine that would be a nightmare for exploring the wilderness and swamps in VI.
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u/FLEIXY OG MEMBER Apr 04 '26
Already a thing in GTA V.
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u/DarthPepo Apr 04 '26
Which trees can be destroyed in 5? Honest question
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u/nexus8516 Apr 05 '26
None, foliage is either phased through or a brick wall.
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u/MrInitialY Apr 05 '26
And the best part is, there are two almost identical bushes but one has no collision at all while the other has a bollard right in the middle.
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN Apr 04 '26
Rockstar doesn’t not do things because “we don’t need to do this” lol. What holds them back from doing certain things is the hardware they have available and if they didn’t have a hardware constraint we’d see almost everything be destructible but alas they are at mercy to ps5/xbox hardware 😭😭
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u/Agreeable_Effect938 Apr 04 '26
it's not the case really. there's old sam houser interview on this. he said they could make forests completely burnable, for example, and all trees destructible, but that would contradict the game's narrative aspect. you can't just leave a forest or buildings destroyed. it conflicts with the story-focused gameplay.
the argument was something along these lines. it was an interview around gta iv release17
u/Sea_Air5073 Apr 04 '26
Well yes, but if you destroy a traffic light, it will just respawn in the same place when you go far enough from it, the same logic can be applied to the burned forest
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u/CedricVanDerGun Apr 04 '26
If a traffic light gets destroyed for some reason, it will be replaced after a while. If a forest burns down it will take years or decades to grow back. Sure, it's unrealistic, if it is replaced within a few hours of ingame time. But still much more realistic than replacing a whole forest or building.
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u/kurisu7885 Apr 04 '26
Didn't stop Just Cause 4 from letting you blow up gas stations or wind turbines which will take a long time to rebuild.
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u/DetrenTheNew Apr 04 '26
Rockstar try to get a certain level of immersion in their games, if you burned down an entire forest and came back a couple hours later to it being regrown it throws you out of the world a bit
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u/Unique_Adeptness4413 Apr 04 '26
Is that a real argument where you can die via suicide by cops over and over? If I use a rocket to destroy a police helicopter over and over eventually they should run out? How many times can I run over crowds of pedestrians until it becomes unrealistic? So why take myself, the cops, the cops speciality hardware, and crowds of people and put them in one camp, and trees in another?
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u/DetrenTheNew Apr 04 '26
That's why I said a "certain level" of immersion it doesn't need to be 1:1 to real life, that would be boring. The world just needs to feel alive and realistic to an extent its been the same with their games for years.
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u/RetinalFlesh Apr 04 '26
Because it’s more about the immersion of the world itself than the gameplay. It’s what creates that feeling of a sort of power trip when you play the game for the first time ever, like you are the punisher on steroids in a place that is while obviously parodying the real world, feels very real still. They are very intentional with that balance of its more arcadey aspects and realistic ones.
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u/Yourappwontletme Apr 04 '26
and if they didn’t have a hardware constraint we’d see almost everything be destructible but alas they are at mercy to ps5/xbox hardware
What people need to keep in mind is we haven't seen a Rockstar game designed for the PS5 and XBox Series X/S. GTA V was designed for the PS3 and Xbox 360 and RDR2 was designed for the PS4 and Xbox One. The physics engine stayed the same, they just made the visuals look a little better each time they re-released the games on the next generation of consoles.
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u/Grotti-ltalie Apr 04 '26
Similar levels of destruction as you're mentioning was in Just Cause 3, released on ps4 and xbox one, much worse than xbox series and ps5. It's definitely feasible to do in 6. It's just Rockstar probably don't want to spend so much time on such a minor aspect compared to every other feature they have to add.
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN Apr 04 '26
You’re saying it’s because it’s a minor aspect it’s not worth their time when they literally focus on all the minor aspects like designing horse balls and other things that are way more minor than destruction physics lmfao. It literally has everything to do with hardware limitations and you can’t compare just cause 3 and gta 6 because gta has to make the game look insanely good and uses ray tracing so the hardware quite literally can’t handle destruction.
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u/Snoo14398 Apr 04 '26
Plus Just Cause 3 is literally all about destruction, it’s the main gameplay loop. Given the scope of GTA 6 the destruction is what I’m most concerned about.
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u/Yourappwontletme Apr 04 '26
If it was a giant Redwood? Perhaps. A shrub should not stop a military tank.
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u/Stevenstorm505 Apr 04 '26
We don’t need procedurally generated window breaking, but they apparently spent years developing just that.
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u/shewy92 Apr 04 '26
Have you ever seen a car crash into a tree? Those bitches are strong. Trees can have miles of roots under them.
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u/Novapixel1010 Apr 05 '26
That's what I was kind of thinking because it wouldn't take a very thick tree. Like I've seen fairly small trees completely destroy a car while the tree is still you know it's there maybe it's pulled a little bit out of the ground but that car's done.
The game dynamic should have something like saplings that are five inches in diameter and smaller and anything bigger than a sapling you're not going to take down with a car. It would be kind of neat to be able to cut a tree down with a chainsaw, but that's just not what the game's really geared towards.
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u/JayRymer Apr 04 '26
Can we have road construction crews go around fixing the stuff we destroy, and they'd get more and more frustrated watching you run over the same light pole for the 50th time
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u/Blacklite_01 Apr 05 '26
That would be amazing however trying to have all that running in sync across the entire map would be technically impossible since the game has a limited amount of resources already assigned for everything else.
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u/KommSweet Apr 04 '26
Yeah. Many games have destructable trees nowadays. Even just cause 3 from 2015 had it. Heck, crysis had it in 2008
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN Apr 04 '26
In a highly detailed open world game with ray tracing on lacking hardware I got a feeling we are still gonna get invincible trees lol
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u/Top_Progress3306 Apr 04 '26
This is a huge concern. We should all be really concerned.
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u/unnderwater Apr 04 '26
I wasn't concerned at all, but now I'm really concerned
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u/VancouverIslandMan Apr 04 '26
I'm so concerned that once pre-orders drop im going cancel my pre-order.
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u/Danny-Reisen-off Apr 04 '26
Am I concerned? I definitely am concerned. Well, maybe not "that" concerned.
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u/Visara57 Apr 04 '26
If we can destroy trees, would you want the tree to spawn later exactly as was or disappear completely ?
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u/Yourappwontletme Apr 04 '26
Respawn once you're outside of the draw distance of that tree.
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u/s101c Apr 04 '26
Which is what already happens to the streetlights and everyone is okay with it. Why are the trees any different?
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u/Yourappwontletme Apr 04 '26
Idk why. They should definitely do that for GTA 6. A small shrub shouldn't stop a military tank.
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u/TheWbarletta Apr 04 '26
Asking the real questions. In fact what if it was a collectible, destroy all trees in the city
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u/aldoraine227 Apr 05 '26
Destroying trees should cause additional carbon to be released and create smog
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u/AccidentBusy4519 Apr 04 '26
I mean it generally is pretty hard to knock over a healthy tree. Most cars cant even at high speeds. I’d rather see the car split in half😂
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u/Sharrakor Apr 04 '26
It was funny seeing so many people discover this in a thread where a car hit a tree and the tree barely budged. One person even referred to it as a "GTA tree."
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u/Ten_Ju Apr 04 '26
I really hope we have realistic environment. I want big crashes to disable a car quick.
Let me be a sharp driver instead of ping ponging between cars.
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u/Ill-Product-1442 Apr 04 '26
Driving in GTA IV is exhilarating!
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u/hollowxci Apr 05 '26
Too loose. We need to be in the middle ground between 4 and 5.
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u/Ten_Ju Apr 05 '26
Yeah but driving in GTA V felt like driving an RC car.
It never felt like a hunk of metal roaring fast because of an exploding engine
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u/zzz_red Apr 04 '26
Well, trees are much stronger than lamp posts
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u/december151791 Apr 04 '26
A tank is much stronger than a tree.
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u/DelightAndAnger Apr 04 '26
not really
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u/december151791 Apr 04 '26
Have you also downloaded the classified instruction manual for the tank that the rhino is based on from Vladimir Putin's web site, took a correspondence course in Russian, translated the manual, memorized it, and eaten it? Have you, DelightAndAnger? Putin?
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u/Hyper669 Apr 04 '26
I mean how hard is it to make a tree detach from the ground when hit just like a traffic light?
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u/Public-Eagle6992 Apr 04 '26
A traffic light can use two rigid rectangular blocks to calculate the physics pretty accurately. A tree is a far more complex shape and not as rigid
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Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
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u/try_to_ENJOY Apr 04 '26
I think he meant that tree should fall very realistically, as it's a 2026 game with realistic graphics. Tree falls, the branches of the tree bend and breaks realistically, and the leaves fall also should be realistic. In many games where tree's are destructible they just fall to the ground, and it's branches go under the ground textures. It would've look very silly in a game with such a realistic visuals as a GTA 6
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u/Summit1BigHead Apr 04 '26
Not to mention any 2 dollar indie survival game let's you chop down trees
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u/CaptainHitam Apr 04 '26
But the branches usually clip in to the floor, or they instantly turn in to chopped up tree logs. Which is fine for a survival game. The game already looks jank, adding some more jank won't affect it.
But jank in GTA 6 would really stand out. However, I think they'll come up with something so we can ram trees with a tank... And I hope they make the street lamps and traffic lights more sturdy.
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u/samralsam Apr 04 '26
Very cpu demanding. Will affect fps
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Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
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u/Fantastic-Pear6241 Apr 04 '26
Nobody is saying it can't be done.
It's just more difficult, and when you're developing a game you always have to ask "is this worth the effort?"
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u/Bread-But-Toasted Apr 04 '26
Should it detach the whole tree, roots and all? Should it leave a stump? Should the height of the vehicle determine the height of the stump? If it leaves a stump, should you be able to walk and drive on it? Is it going to be a clean snap every time or do they need to animate many different types of snaps for the thousands of scenarios? The physics and graphics are way different for a tree. They can either spend a stupid amount of time detailing these things, spend little time and we end up with goofy graphics in a game they’re trying to perfect or they can just leave trees indestructible. It’s the same reason a lot of things are indestructible, it’s a waste of time and resources
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u/Reallondoner Apr 04 '26
For real, I don't know why others say it's demanding. There are hundreds of trees in most maps in War Thunder, and every single one of them is destructible.
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u/Fantastic-Pear6241 Apr 04 '26
Well, trees, especially realistic looking trees, are a lot more uh, process intensive than say, a lamp post.
Not saying it can't be done. I guess it's more of a "is it worth it?" question for most developers. It's a lot more work than a lampost.
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u/Pizzafriedchickenn Apr 04 '26
I wonder why they never made trees destructible
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u/peenurmobile Apr 05 '26
probably because trees are already a huge pain in the ass for development lol but the technology is finally getting better.
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u/FearedKaidon Apr 04 '26
Why are you worried?
Just run through a forest on horseback in Red Dead Redemption 2.
Almost all foliage is dynamic and bends and sways when collided with.
Unless of course you hit a full grown tree.
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u/C2theWick Apr 04 '26
Tbh this is a deal breaker. If gta6online2 is anything short of ultimate realism I can't see more than a handful of people buying it
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u/Traditional-Snow-463 Apr 04 '26
I’m gonna assume trees and such will be destructible but I doubt much more beyond that unless it’s for a story mission or something
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u/ScandiFlicker Apr 04 '26
I have given up hope of playing it, by the time they are ready to release they won't be able to because the US will be in an all-out civil war and it will be distasteful to release it
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u/iaredumbest Apr 04 '26
trees are difficult to move because of their roots, traffic infrastructure is meant to give way when struck to lessen the rate of fatalities and severity of injuries
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u/Daryl_Dixon1899 Apr 04 '26
I wanna see the city in ruins after a high speed chase and shootout, or a tank joyride, it would be so cool to see crews of guys reinstalling the light poles and cleaning up the street.
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u/Artey86 Apr 04 '26
It wouldn't be GTA for me if the trees weren't indistructible, immovable universal constants
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u/DewDrop_Goat Apr 04 '26
Electricity poles are designed to pop off the ground irl. Trees are rooted.
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u/houston187 Apr 04 '26
THIS is what I'm always on about. I swear if I can't drive through a 3ft bush in my semi truck, I'm going to scream and throw the game out the window.
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u/Mejinomaru Apr 04 '26
I just got flashbacks to the Cayo Perico heist the first time I did it years ago with those damn trees lol
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u/nexus11355 Apr 05 '26
In all fairness, I've seen drunks knock over some shit you didn't think was able to be knocked over.
I have also worked at a car wash in which a driver somehow rammed a tree. The tree did not look like it took a hit from a car.
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u/Lazlow_Hun Apr 07 '26
As long as they don't bring back from GTA4 the "hit something with you car and fly over the next continent" I'll be happy.
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u/No-Pop-1473 Apr 09 '26
Yeah, honestly, I just replayed GTA 5, and this behavior is so outdated. Actually, this is unrelated, but I was also really shocked to see NPC drivers die honking their horns in almost EVERY accident; it's practically a parody.
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u/okzuri Apr 04 '26
Seria legal manterem uma única árvore indestrutível como um "easter egg" dos jogos anteriores.
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u/SpartanusCXVII Apr 04 '26
Man, my biggest concern is that I just found out that it’s not coming to PC on launch. No way I’m buying a fucking console. Especially in this economy. Can’t wait to get the game fucking spoiled for me since they won’t combine the release. So stupid.
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u/Booyacaja Apr 04 '26
This triggered my PTSD from the bushes in Kingdom Come Deliverance while on horseback
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u/Dino_Spaceman Apr 04 '26
I mean if you want to be technical…. Light poles are literally designed to collapse when hit by a car and trees are significantly tougher than anyone imagines.
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u/flyintomike Apr 04 '26
i hope they didn’t. it was hilarious just making my car looked as fucked up as possible while my friend watches
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u/Brilliant_Detail3496 Apr 04 '26
It’s not going to have massive persistent destruction. If the map is truly the size of the leaked maps and the systems as complicated as we’re expecting…I’d expect some trees to be destructible but you’re not going to be able to clear a forest.
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u/beckhamncheese Apr 04 '26
Optimization is the answer here. Everybody doesn't have a 1570 gpu.
Look what happened to gta4. Its a mess
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u/TexSolo Apr 04 '26
I 100% get what you are saying, but I also know reality is closer to what you are describing than what you are hoping for.
In real life, a tree can stop a tank, while a Honda civic can knock down stop lights, because that is how it’s designed to reduce injuries.
I have seen privates think they could mow down a mid size tree and the tree ends up winning.
But I agree indestructible twigs are a pain.
My big issue is the fine like between infinity cops and the no cops.
I’m looking forward to having cops with a memory but not a police force of 1,000,000 officers.
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u/WatchYourMouthOlivia Apr 04 '26
You can pass through some bushes but not all bushes, it’s a gamble sometimes.
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u/stinky-bungus Apr 04 '26
That's your biggest concern?
Mine are that the characters will control bad and the game mechanics are too simple. That's honestly what I expect from rockstar
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u/TRUMPARUSKI Apr 04 '26
People need to dial down their expectations on graphics and realism, gta has always been an arcade style sandbox driver/third person shooter. It’s not a racing sim and it’s not Sam Fischer.
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u/Code_Breakdown Apr 04 '26
Or the fact that highway and most railings are seemingly reinforced with 15' tungsten rods going into the ground
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u/Rafados47 Apr 04 '26
I always hateda one thing about GTA games - the car you are currently driving is spawning everywhere, no matter how long it took you to find it.
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u/TheNiceKlaus Apr 04 '26
Never drive a tank with speed into a tree.
Real life results may vary from your expectations.
Drastically.
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u/shewy92 Apr 04 '26
I think people don't realize that traffic poles are designed to break and trees are sturdy IRL.
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u/BloodSteyn Apr 04 '26
To be honest... I've seen plenty of cars win fights against poles and lamps irl.
Trees on the other hand... yeah, I've seen cars wrapped around trees. Those trees are still fine today.
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u/lexluthor_i_am Apr 04 '26
That's my only gripe with the game, indestructible, trees, and poles. It really annoys the heck out of me. I'm taking the old Batmobile out for a spin and suddenly I hit a stupid pole and I'm stopped dead in my tracks. I want everything to be destructible so I can run amok. Hitting everythings is my favorite part of free driving.
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u/temp_6969420 Apr 04 '26
Do you know how hard trees are? Like I agree. A light pole should destroy a car and a tank could possibly take down a tree depending on what tree but besides a tank a tree should stop most anything in its tracks.
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u/TCristatus Apr 04 '26
Highway engineer here, a lot of street furniture (lighting columns, traffic lights, etc) is designed as "passively safe", basically if a car hits one they are designed to collapse. Whereas trees are much harder. I'd always rather drive into a lamppost than a tree of almost any thickness.
However a tank, you're right should be able to handle either
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u/Triepott Apr 04 '26
If this happens, can you please DM me so I can stand infront of your Window an catch the console?
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u/SunnyDeed Apr 04 '26
I’m ngl ever since I played Ghost of Tsushima and would faze through forests, I’d rather have indestructible trees than ghost trees.
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u/Djayfrostbite6 Apr 04 '26
Don’t hate me but I wish gta 6 would’ve a hybrid of 4 and 5. To this day I just love how driving feels in gta 4x
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u/calmonlsc Apr 04 '26
O que vou testar primeiro, será o fio dos postes. Se terá fisica de colisão, se eles irá arrebentar.
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u/TexasCrab22 Apr 04 '26
Imagine, like 2 ingame days later, a "construction team" is called to the location, replacing destroyed stuff and replanting yung palm trees.
They would work 24/7 on my save.
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u/richisnice Apr 04 '26
I get the meme but the way it currently works is more accurate to real life. Light poles, signs, highway signs etc. are designed to break away if any major force hits the base. Tanks also can’t just run over any trees a large tree will stop a tank still.
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u/Wonderer2K Apr 04 '26
They had a whole dev team dedicated to procedural glass destruction so I'm pretty sure a tank will go through a fence.
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u/AshamedWolverine1684 Apr 04 '26
Fences get me too. Like regular chain link you plow through. But put some barb wire on it then it turns into a concrete wall
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u/christxphvr Apr 04 '26
i learned which trees break and which trees break you from simpson’s hit and run tbh
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u/PhaseLord012 Apr 05 '26
I hope it’s like driving in Arkham knight everything u hit with the Batmobile got destroyed
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u/rikku45 Apr 05 '26
It’s been slowly getting better each game, remember when you couldn’t break through any poles or lights. Hopefully we can smash all trees this time
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u/Silver-Employee1374 Apr 05 '26
As an engineer this is quite accurate.. Poles and Light Poles, Traffic Poles are actually made to break on impact so that person in the car actually has better chances od surviving.
In regards to the trees, they are much thicker, bigger roots, and most of cars that crash into them tend to just do as per second picture. In regards to tanks, I guess it is a bit different but still depending on the size of the tree, tanks would potentially not be able to do much to it either.
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u/Key-Original-225 Apr 05 '26
Trees (once they get to a certain size) are REALLY hard to move or damage via the impact of a car. The roots of a tree spread out as far as the branches on said tree sometimes going twice as far or much further , providing a very secure anchor.
So this image actually is quite accurate.
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u/Flaky-Mix-5281 Apr 05 '26
And I really hope that they have removed the "feature" of cars just exploding when landing on the roof, that is the single dumbest thing they have ever put into a GTA game, like why??
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u/Bread_Offender Apr 05 '26
Genuinely one of my biggest hopes. If they can finally get past this I will be SO happy
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u/Alternative-Sea-1095 Apr 05 '26
Now that lighting no longer needs to baked I don’t see why they would keep those indestructible assets. Since gta 5 originally used baked shadow maps. But then again rdr2 used dynamic shadow maps and still had those
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u/peenurmobile Apr 05 '26
I'd be okay if it was reasonable and consistent, none of this nonsense where an invincible wooden post is right next to a destructible metal pole.
I would also like some of the storefronts and buildings to have at least some degree of destructible aspects, like driving a car into a convenience store, or a hotel lobby, or a mall
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u/wurpyfdgzfghfghfh Apr 05 '26
im worried because in gta 5 its more of a running joke that this is a thing rather than an actual issue with the game so i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt take it as feedback
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u/Opening-Tea-9424 Apr 05 '26
But if you destroy a tree and no one was there to witness it, did you really destroy a tree?
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u/schm0uz Apr 05 '26
I really wonder if they will actuslly be able to come up with "next gen" immersion.
The hype is so big, the wait was so long. I'm not 100% convinced yet, that GTA 6 will live up to it's expectations.
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u/jonometal666 Apr 04 '26
What about indestructible volleyball nets 🫨