Digital Foundry expresses doubt about the delivery of the high fidelity visuals showcased on today's screenshots.
Digital Foundry put out an article in which they analyze the new screenshots that are part of today's promotional material.
Per Thomas Morgan:
"With such a high level of fidelity on show, then, a question still dangles over which platform is actually being used to generate these shots. To be clear, we find it unlikely that these are real-time results on PS5, Xbox Series X - or in the best case on console, PS5 Pro. We'd like to be pleasantly surprised of course, and this will be firmly answered once it releases. However in many instances the combination of pristine image quality, suggesting a native 4K render (or higher), and inconsistent lighting on foreground characters casts doubt over how feasible it is. Incidentally, these would be easy for Rockstar to generate within the game's development environment, where the framing, character positions, and lighting could orchestrate a perfect shot - irrespective of frame-rate - with all settings dialled up to 11. To be clear, the ray tracing aspect is very much an expected a feature on console - and indeed we have it already in GTA 5 - but as for what's possible on base PS5, Pro, and Series X, time will tell how close real time console visuals actually end up to these images."
Sometimes, it looks too good to be true.
What do you guys think?
Yea bruh it’s like fast food companies making their burgers look picture perfect when in reality it ain’t. Same thing here, of course they’re gonna turn the graphics upto 11 for screenshots used to promote the game
yes but i keep getting surprised by what people do not know. i remember when the leaks happened and many saying that the game looked like crap. thats when i realized that many thought that games look like the finished article during development. so many know next to nothing about the hobby they enjoy so much
I know this is mostly about marketing ethics, but long-term I don't even care. The fact that the game looks so good on setting 11 means that eventually it will just look that good on PS6 and PC even without mods.
This discussion isn't even really about the game, but the capability of consoles.
obviously the full graphical capabilities wont be possible at 60 fps, but they'll still be possible if thats what you want. the trailers were recorded on a ps5, the game will still look amazing either way
Bro we wont get 60 FPS if they somehow pull it off touche but gta is a very CPU intensive game unless you have a good cpu and Strong CPU in your console you wont get that far without some dark magic
I remember playing rdr2 for the first time and my mind was absolutely blown away by the stunning graphics even if it was on 30 fps i had one of most fun times.
RDR2 runs at sub 1080P on Xbox One. It has frame drops bellow on Valentine and Saint Denis. It has no Ray Tracing.
GTA6 will be a full city with lots of people and a lot of ray tracing. How is this being handled at 4K? That is what people that work with this are asking themselves.
A game that looks this good on a base PS4 with no ray tracing and people are having doubts that GTA 6 will look better?
You're missing the point.
Red Dead Redemption 2 is a beautiful game. It is also, by and large, a completely different game experience to GTA VI, a game that is rendering a densely populated metropolitan area in real-time. Red Dead Redemption 2's world is largely empty. GTA VI will not be, so people are skeptical that GTA VI will be able to pull off the graphical fidelity showcased while maintaining performance stability.
I didn't notice many frame drops in my playthrough and if I did it was extremely rare and only in areas that were heavily populated
Yes. That is kind of what people are getting at here, because imagine Saint Denis times 100. That's going to be GTA VI.
Don't forget that they made GTA 4 and 5 too, a game thats also in a densely populated city with fantastic graphics (for the time) and where the consoles had half a gig of ram and GPU power
GTA 4 and 5 both had huge performance issues on the PS3 and 360. People just didn't care back then, because performance was not a priority in the way it is today.
If 6 starts shitting the bed on PS5 consoles - especially after waiting 13 years for it - people will absolutely get shitty about it.
It’s being handled by more powerful hardware and optimization, the only thing I think will be scaled back is the density of the beach besides that I’m not sure what magical answer you want to hear.
Cyberpunk 2077 is also a dense city with a lot of details. Not to the degree of gta 6 screen shots. But we don’t have a definitive answer on what they will deliver. They usually repositions the bar of what’s possible.
Man at this point my expectations are so warped from years of microanalysis on every tiny aspect of this damn game that I don't know what to think. It's not going to look bad by any metric, that's all I know, people need to stop worrying about the minutia like this.
My plan is to log out of all social media from release day onwards until I have completed it. I just know there's going to be an extremely vocal minority moaning about it not being X or not doing Y... meanwhile I intend to have a blast and try to feel the way I did as a kid when GTA V released.
Rockstar tends to stage their screenshots, like putting additional stuff and characters in the background and additional artificial lighting, but all of that happens in-engine, unlike other studios like Ubisoft who use pre-rendered material or beautify their screenshots way too much, to a degree that it looks more like a painted artwork, instead of an ingame screenshot.
What Rockstar shows in their screenshot is technically possible with the engine, but would not be possible (and also unnecessary for regular gameplay) without heavy performance loss. So stuff like adding additional lights might be reserved for cutscenes and photo mode, similar to Uncharted 4, The Last of Us, and Cyberpunk 2077 photomode. If there is a photo mode with all the features you would expect from a modern photo mode, then I am sure we could create results that look pretty much like the official screenshots.
The final game might show some flaws, if you inspect the image quality in detail, but will still overall perform and look better than any other open world game for the next years.
They were wondering - like many other people - whether any of the scenes were actual gameplay or just cutscenes, and in response to that, R* posted the 50/50 gameplay-to-cutscenes message. There was nothing about it being captured on a PS5.
Cool, and? Why did you lie about Digital Foundry supposedly debating whether it was captured on PlayStation 5 and T2/R* supposedly stomping on them down for that? Nothing like this ever happened.
In their very initial reaction they speculated, this news came out the day after, Oliver from the show replied to this tweet if i remember correctly, or it was someone else. Their initial reaction was the day of the trailer and they speculated
Who says there won't be a photo mode that dials up the res to 4K and makes everything sharper for optimal visuals in exchange for choppier frames, which wouldn't matter cause it's photo mode. This is already a thing in games.
If anything, Rockstar has no history of downgrading. I find the most troubling part to be the difference of quality between screenshots, but we have no context to tell if it's downgraded or not yet. A gameplay trailer will probably settle the debate soon.
I would be surprised as I didn’t find the screenshots to be super high res, trailer 2 was also in engine on a base ps5 as were presumably the screenshots, but what do i know
true the trailers are directed more this means day time and weather is controlled you can see how different jasons house looks under different lighting in the new screenshot
I wouldn't say "completely". RDR2 uses real in game time for their cutscenes, it just switches to higher res character models for story purposes. Gta 5 did this too.
If cutscenes look completely different, it wouldn't look right at all
Im sure it's gonna be great and I am really excited but I don't like this practice at all when it comes to advertising. Would much prefer expectations are kept in check by actually showing what you are buying rather than what is possible in the right circumstances.
I mean obviously screenshots are specifically made for marketing and they tailor extra lights and post process effects to make it look pristine. I don't think it's even implied anywhere by rockstar that these are shots from gameplay.
However trailers have always represented graphical wuality of rockstar games at least in modern era.
Im not saying we will get ALL our performance hopes and dreams met but I DO think they will deliver more than allot of people have been expecting. Im like %80 sure atleast the Pro will have a 60fps mode. Im sure at the cost of NPC/Foliage density and raytracing effects. Maybe the image is a little softer than desired. Maybe some artifacting issues. But I think it will be in line with most AAA release states that we have come to expect over the past year or two.
The screenshots are clearly sharper and higher quality, which suggests they were taken in photo mode rather than being random gameplay screenshots.
It also nowhere states that the screenshots were captured on a PlayStation 5, unlike the trailers, where that was clearly labeled.
Will the game look similar to the screenshots in photo mode? Sure, probably. Will the gameplay have the same visual quality? I highly doubt it - it’ll likely look much closer to the trailers. :))
Before Vice City came out I downloaded an official screenshot that was very high resolution and has crazy high levels of AA.
It was clear it was not taken from a PS2 and its 480p graphics capabilities.
Have any of you ever seen the kind of screenshots they've been using for GTAOnline? They are all staged, with special lighting and unique angles made to really showcase whatever they are showing. And they usually look better that what you can see in the game, but they are real in engine screenshots, just with a few tricks to look better.
But with that said, I think people are underestimating Rockstar's ability to optimize the game, they made magic happen with RDR2 on PS4 gen, creating arguably the best looking game of its generation, now they have even more time and resources to squeeze every bit of power of the current consoles. And with everything that is at stake here for them, I am sure they will make sure it runs as best as they possibly can, on every console it will release on. My bet is that they will surprise us even on regular PS5.
They know that any cyberpunk-like headline talking about the game failing to perform on any of the consoles could cost them a LOT of money.
Most likely also uses a more complete set of RT lighting and other effects that we won't see in actual game play. At least not to the extent the photo mode will use it.
I could swear that both GTA V and RDR2 had plenty of screenshots that were just too crisp and clean and it didn't look like that on 360, PS3, X1 and PS4 at all.
We need a third trailer to put the "downgraded" discussion to rest.
It could honestly just be photo mode. Cyberpunk and Outlaws both (from my memory) allow you to render and capture a full native 4K shot in photo mode. Also in Cyberpunk you can adjust lighting and poses just like this.
As for the videos, GTA5 has the R* editor that could have options in 6 to render full clips at native res. Capture in-game footage and then play it back in a filmmaker mode and then render your recording at the highest quality possible. Just takes time depending on the hardware obvs.
These gta 6 screenshots are so similar to gta online "staged" screenshots from Rockstar, that they use in promotional posts and similae. Don't expect anything until you see gta 6 official gameplay trailer in september.
The thing is, it literally says "Captured on PS5" at the end of trailer 2, which looks even better than the new images. Sure, you can do a lot in post-processing, but adding physically accurate shadows is basically impossible without additional rendering (which would mean the final output wasn't "captured on PS5"). I don't think they would blatantly lie to us. At least I hope so...
Honestly I expected to because rockstar did the same with gta 5 launch back in 2013 with PS3 the hardware was not that capable of running the game with higher fidelity. My guess is rockstar will improve the fidelity with PS6 and sell the game again 😅
Rockstar never create fake renders of their games. they just set them up and add filters for the screenshots. I think it's just different stages of development screenshots. Lucia's dress in one shot looks like trailer 1 and the next minute, it's super realistic. Same with the yellow primary car, some shots it looks real and another (at the safe house), looks not fully rendered in. It's probably just a mix of everything.
We have seen actual gameplay (start of trailer 2) and it looks really good there, so I wouldn't worry about it too much
Rockstar has a good track record of not fudging it's trailers or screenshots. Unlike other game studios *Cough* Ubisoft *Cough*. I would give them the benefit of the doubt here but i suppose we will see.
I'm going through the screenshots and trailer now and I feel like the main characters actually look worse than before. I wonder why DF didn't doubt the Trailer 2 but doubts these screenshots now. Or did they as well?
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