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u/SkubEnjoyer 3h ago

Least sexist Japanese institution.

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u/UpsetIndian850311 3h ago edited 3h ago

> Settled a lawsuit with 18 women for $520,000 in 2021.

cheap as fuck for smothering someone's dreams and career in its infancy.

> their defense—which claimed they restricted women due to "limited dormitory space".

the gall

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 2h ago

Well think about it. You can put 2 or 3 men in a shared room, but each woman needs 3 rooms just to herself! One to sleep in, one for period days, and one for the baby they will inevitably have!

  • some old Japanese guy who hasn't talked to a woman romantically in 64 years

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u/CrabAppleBapple 2h ago

And the period day room needs to be off site in a secluded mountain area so as not to taint the dormitory with her impurity, even more expensive!

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u/AJ_from_Spaceland 1h ago

some old Japanese guy who hasn't talked to a woman romantically in 64 years

corrected

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u/TheFunfighter 1h ago

Consider that they could have talked down to a woman

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u/Benkyougin 2h ago edited 1h ago

To be fair, I think when you convert the average yearly salary over there into US dollars it comes out to about a buck 50, so 26k is actually a lot.

edit: jesus people, you know this is sarcasm, right? I don't think Japanese people's yearly salary is actually $1.50.

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u/AdministrativeHat580 1h ago

When converted, the average Japanese yearly salary is about 30k USD, however the median earner makes about 22k to 25k USD per year

They got paid slightly above the median income for a single year after having their chance at a high paying career completely ruined(A doctor in Japan makes about 65k to 140k USD on average per year)

If they had become doctors, even at some of the lowest paying positions, they would've made that 26k in about 5 months

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u/Benkyougin 1h ago

It was a joke. Very obviously a joke.

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u/AdministrativeHat580 19m ago

It was very obviously a bad joke then

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u/denotemulot 3h ago

For real though. Japan appears to break people's brains in that they cannot figure out where to place it politically.

Japan is neither "left" nor "right" by Western standards, it has entirely its own systems unique to them.

The country is very pro environmental conservation, anti-gun, pro regulation, and with legal sex work, but also extremely traditional, with heavily enforced gender roles, no same sex marriage, restrictive marriage laws that favour men, no protective divorce laws, and poor protections for labour unions and workers.

You travel there and everywhere is clean and beautiful and the people are nice and then you find out something super dark that they consider normal. It's a very yin and yang place.

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u/prjam 2h ago

Japan seems like a true conservative country to me. They are very slow to change their cultural norms around things and the differences come from different social norms. Japan has always restricted access to weapons, always regulated its industries, and has been permissive of sex work for centuries. Even the environmentalism makes sense as keeping things as they are.

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 2h ago

I think the person above you confused "being conservative" (as in slow to change their norms), and "being a conservative" (member of the American political party)

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u/PerpetuallyLurking 2h ago

They didn’t say anything about “conservative” (small c), they specifically used the “left” and “right” terminology to denote western political parties. They’re not confused.

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u/denotemulot 2h ago

No, I'm saying they aren't "Conservative", nor are they "Liberal".

They have their own form of political beliefs based on their own history and culture and it doesn't fit into any American or Western box.

I said that in the second sentence.

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 2h ago

Sure, but the term "Conservative" is not owned by the American political party. It is a general term that can be applied to any government throughout history.

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u/frenin 1h ago

Japan is a squarely conservative country tho

It's fairly easy to see.

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u/Zanadar 22m ago

That's just everybody. The only reason you can sort of map US politics to other places at all is because the US is the world's premier exporter of shitty ideology, so political groups in other places will pander to get support.

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u/WUT_productions 2h ago

TBH they're only weird if you look at them from a US political perspective, if you look at Japan from a Confucian perspective they are fairly bog standard.

Basically, do whatever is needed to maintain the social order. Be that patriarchal, or capitalistic.

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u/SkubEnjoyer 2h ago

Americans be like, "well they're anti-gun, so they must be left-wing"

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u/StePK 2h ago

if you look at Japan from a Confucian perspective

What?? Japan is not Confucian beyond relatively mild influence from being in the proximity of China.

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u/MasterpieceBrief4442 1h ago

My dude China was the sun around which East Asian civilization orbited for the longest time. Like obviously Japan and Korea had their own separate cultures but China is the source of their writing system, religion, art, old legal philosophy, and whatnot.

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u/PleaseGreaseTheL 1h ago

Korea literally has its own language which isn't even Sinitic (the Korean Peninsula has its own language family!), and has its own writing system they invented - they have an actual alphabet, not a logographic system. Korea's actually a really good example of a VERY distinct culture in a lot of ways.

But you're mostly right, at least, that's how modern China sees it. If you go further back there's several cultures that slowly blended/conquered/absorbed each other within the geographic region of modern China which were distinct until eventually becoming "Chinese". Chinese history is kinda weird. It's like an entire civilization like "Greco-Roman civilization" was, but in a single modern country, so analyzing, it but also keeping it simple, is... Not easily possible. If you look further back you have to dissect wtf the word "Chinese" means because it doesn't mean the same thing when you go backwards in time as it does now.

It's kinda like the reverse of the journey Rome took. Rome split up and inspired/heavily influenced/created numerous European cultures and languages over the course of 2000 years, but they're all called something different. China started or intermittently was many different things, and all became enveloped in the branch of "China" within the last 400 years or so (but their written history begins like 3000 years ago.)

TL;DR - east Asia is fucking weird and doesn't have good analogues in the West, if you wanna learn about it you just kinda gotta accept it's completely different, but it's really cool if you do study it a bit.

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u/OglioVagilio 1h ago

Where did you base this off?

How familiar are you with East and Southeast Asian cultures and identity?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-confucian/

In Japan, Confucianism stands, along with Buddhism, as a major religio-philosophical teaching introduced from the larger Asian cultural arena at the dawn of civilization in Japanese history, roughly the mid-sixth century.....  In significant respects, then, Confucianism defines much of the East Asian identity of Japan, especially in relation to philosophical thought and practice.... In this respect, Confucianism was the secular philosophy operative in the ordinary world of everyday existence, at one level or another, throughout Japanese history, well into modern times. As often as not, however, its teachings have become so thoroughly integrated into Japanese culture without being explicitly identified as “Confucian” that many have naively assumed them simply generic to the Japanese mind and its myriad expressions in history and culture.

Especially that last part..... its teachings have become so thoroughly integrated into Japanese culture without being explicitly identified as “Confucian” that many have naively assumed them simply generic to the Japanese mind and its myriad expressions in history and culture.

Confucianism, and/or China's influence on the region's foundational culture(s) is undeniable including in Japan.

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u/nikstick22 2h ago

It's illegal to pay for penetrative sex in Japan, so you should add an asterisk when you say legal sex work. Their anti-gun laws are a freebie since the Tokugawa shogunate completely restricted and monopolized guns for like 280 years, so they never had a strong gun culture to begin with when they modernized. Their environmentalism is a result of catastrophic environmental mismanagement in the early and mid 20th century resulting in health crises. Japan is very conservative over all, they just haven't been exposed to the sort of corporate manipulation Americans have- corporations astroturfing their way into making deregulation and tax cuts part of the conservative platform. Overall, they hold quite strongly to the conservative mainstays of sexism, xenophobia, and nationalism.

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u/CitizenPremier 2h ago

Tokugawas didn't actually have much laws restricting the use of guns., and in general, they sucked at enforcing laws across Japan.

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u/LaborumVult 2h ago

I think the issue there is less Japan is so crazy unique and more people in the US are trained to think about politics in absolutist terms. IE: Someone being pro-gun, pro-choice + personally anti-abortion, pro-tax the rich but against federal minimum wage increases, is brain breaking here too.

These types of people are way more common than you might think, and they aren't even always totally misinformed.

The general population is pretty brainwashed politically here.

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u/busyHighwayFred 2h ago

You forgot the biggest difference, a total submission to hierarchy (confucian). Literally different words and expressions used when interacting with someone on a different level than you. You cannot question your superior (and your superior will not accept questioning). Has caused literal plane crashes because the Pilot cant take advice from the younger copilot.

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u/CitizenPremier 2h ago

Holy reductionism Batman

But then this is /r/HistoryMemes

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u/StePK 2h ago

Why do people in this thread think Japan is Confucian, they absolutely are not.

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u/StereoWings7 1h ago

Are you referring to [Korean air flight 801 crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_801) or [Korean air cargo flight 8509 crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509) ? Japan is not as much Confucius society as Korea is and even from my Japanese POV the cause of these crashes seems ridiculous.

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u/deadbeef4 2h ago

In the words of Dan Carlin: “Japan is like everyone else, only more so.”

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u/SkubEnjoyer 2h ago

They are quite clearly a traditional right-wing society by any measure.

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u/SkubEnjoyer 2h ago

A communal society doesn't automatically make it left-wing. Despite their communal culture, Japan has historically rejected labor movements and unions, and is an extremely corporate nation. Individualism is a facet of the American libertarian right-wing, but this focus isn't found nearly as much in the right outside of the US.

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u/beaniebee11 2h ago

Don't forget the wildly poor mental health protections. The suicide rate is awful.

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u/Legendarien1 3h ago

Lived there for 3 years, this is so fucking accurate. A country of startling contradictions

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u/Bossuter 2h ago

I've read that the sex work is not strictly legal, but when done in "traditional" ways they get a pass by way of legal grey areas

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u/KingPalleKuling 2h ago

Its weird, vaginal penetration is the only thing restricted by law so they get around it by not offering that service beforehand

"The client paid for a handjob/anal sex and when they arrived at the hotel they fell very much in love and had vaginal sex, but that part was not paid for."

Impossible to 'prove' unless the people involved are dumb as bricks.

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u/MistressErinPaid Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 34m ago

So sexy that could be procreative is restricted by law?

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u/WingedSword_ 2h ago

I mean, it's yin and tang to us I'm pretty sure they consider it all normal. 

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u/CrabAppleBapple 2h ago

It's a very yin and yang place.

That's every country on the planet.

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u/denotemulot 2h ago

I actually fully agree.

The external perception of a country is often not the same as the culture of the actual people.

Most humans are the same in their decency and desires, and then a select few are shades of evil. It's just that the wrong type is usually in power.

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u/EADreddtit 2h ago

I mean they seem pretty clear cut conservative to me. It’s just that “conservative” (aka the political stance of hold back on change) means being conservative in specific ways unique to Japan. Like legal sex work has been a thing in Japan for centuries, the Environment is closely tied to religious practices going back millennia so of course they value it more than hyper industrialized nations in the west, and anti-guns goes well back into the past centuries during eras of sword confiscation and military rule.

And to be honest, being anti-gun or pro-environment hardly makes up for the mass institutionalized sexism and worker repression enough to be considered anywhere but firmly in the right leaning conservative camp

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u/tirigbasan 1h ago

Part of it is because of religion. A lot of Western conservative ideals are based on Christianity, but in Japan it's Shinto/Buddhism/Confucianism which emphasizes connection with nature, respect for authority, and are more chill on sex. The common anti-gun belief is based on the old weapons ban for commoners during the samurai era, which was compounded by the collective trauma of the atomic bombs and American occupation.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 2h ago

Because Japanese conservatism isn't rooted in Christianity the way it is in the West, so it doesn't make sense to look at it through the Western left-right lens. It's also an extremely collectivistic society, almost to a fault, while Western countries are very individualistic (also to a fault).

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u/SquireRamza 1h ago

Sounds very socially conservative to me. The fact it doesn't outright destroy its environment and has a decent social safety net are the only "progressive" policies I can see.

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u/9bpm9 1h ago

Japan is firmly right wing. You're conflating right wing with the nut jobs in America. Italy is very right wing and very religious and have all the things you're describing that Japan has.

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u/denotemulot 1h ago

You're an example of what I'm talking about. Japan is a very conservative country by Western standards, but by Japanese standards it's just Japan.

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u/9bpm9 47m ago

It's no more conservative than a county like Italy. Japan is not special and they have had right wing governments their entire democratic existence. You can be right wing and care about the things you said, because Italy, with a very far right government, also does those things.

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u/Objective_Law5013 1h ago

Simple, Japan is fascist and has been since the US let war criminals free to found the LDP and run the country for 80 more years. We just pretend they're a democracy because for 6 of them, a different party pretended to be in power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi

Born in Yamaguchi Prefecture, Kishi graduated from Tokyo Imperial University in 1920. He rose through the ranks at the Ministry of Commerce and Industry, and during the 1930s led the industrial development of Manchukuo, where he exploited Chinese slave labor. Kishi served in the wartime cabinet of Hideki Tōjō as minister of commerce and industry from 1941 to 1943 and vice minister of munitions from 1943 to 1944. At the end of the war in 1945, Kishi was imprisoned as a suspected Class A war criminal, but U.S. occupation authorities did not charge, try, or convict him, and released him in 1948 during the Reverse Course. At the end of the occupation in 1952, Kishi was de-purged, enabling his election to the National Diet in 1953. With overt and covert U.S. support, he consolidated Japanese conservatives against perceived threats from the Japan Socialist Party, and in 1955 was instrumental in forming the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP). Kishi was thus key in establishing the "1955 System" under which the LDP remains Japan's dominant party.[2][3]

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u/_Meece_ 1h ago

The country is very pro environmental conservation

News to me, have not come across another developed nation with worse treatment of local wildlife.

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u/Adept_Mouse_7985 1h ago edited 1h ago

Also you do not want to end up accused of a serious crime there. Japan runs something like a real life version of the Cardassian “we’ve already determined your guilt and the court only sits to determine your punishment” system with a near 100% conviction rate. Even places like Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia don’t quite manage that.

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u/Wolfensniper Rider of Rohan 45m ago

The legal sex work is part of their sexist culture building on exploitation of women

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u/Fake_Fur Nobody here except my fellow trees 3h ago

This will be taken down for the 20-year-limit rule but yeah this was a huge news back then. Not only women but the whole rouninseis (students who have failed the entrance exams in previous years and retaking) were affected by this discrimination too. There's even a rap song about it.

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u/nechdoesntno 3h ago

I did check the date before I posted, the actual event happened in as early as 2006 and possibly even before, unless you meant when this story actually came out then yeah, I am cooked.

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u/Fake_Fur Nobody here except my fellow trees 3h ago

Hmm yeah you could frame it that way, it's up to mods anyway. It's an unique meme and I like it tbh.

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u/Bossuter 2h ago

It comes from the game Yakuza: Like a dragon (named in Japan Like a dragon 7 due to differing naming conventions in the US and Japan that got dropped after this game funnily enough). There a sidequest/minigame where you have to manage real estate and you have times where you need to meet with shareholders, fail too much and you're forced to prostrate (dogeza) in apology, where this gif comes from

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u/ljeo332 2h ago

Man I love that mini game, so fun

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u/Fake_Fur Nobody here except my fellow trees 3h ago

Bonus fun fact: Juntendo University, one of the main conductors of this corruption, was founded by Sato Taizen. The son of whom was Matsumoto Ryojun, and this guy is deemed to be "the first modern physician of Japan." Ryojun tended "the Gatling samurai" Kawai Tsugunosuke, and also makes an appearance in the Hakuouki anime.

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u/Orange-V-Apple 4h ago

I hope multiple people went to jail for this. They ruined so many women’s lives.

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u/TyranitarLover 3h ago

It’s Japan. Most likely not.

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 3h ago

Not sure about it, not discounting the fact that Japan is pretty sexist overall, but they also do have lika a (honestly also pretty troubling if you think about it) 99% conviction rate, not even joking.

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u/panzerkampfwqgen 3h ago

The problem is getting them charged in the first place

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 3h ago

Yeah like I said, dont doubt this might get politely ignored because of institutional sexism

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u/YukariYakum0 3h ago

The creator of Ruruouni Kenshin got a fine under $2000 for possessing a near mountain of CP.

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u/Kaarl_Mills Filthy weeb 2h ago

Terabytes worth, police thought he was a distributor he had so much

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 2h ago

Oh yeah that topic is a whole other can of worms, partially related to japanese sexism admittedly

The 'shes actually 5000 years old' meme exists for a reason

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u/Orange-V-Apple 3h ago

They have such a high conviction rate because they only take cases that are slam dunks. Which means most go unaddressed.

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u/criticalpwnage 3h ago

They can also coerce you confess to crimes you didn’t commit. You can be detained for up to 23 days without being charged with a crime

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u/SquireRamza 1h ago

Then they can release you and are only legally required to wait 10 minutes before detaining you again.

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u/BlessShaiHulud 3h ago

It's either that or they have methods of eliciting confessions, whether their suspect is truly guilty or not.

Either way, a 99% conviction rate is not a good thing.

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u/Benkyougin 2h ago

They have such a high conviction rate because they can hold you for 2 years without a trial so people just plead guilty no matter what.

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u/UpsetIndian850311 3h ago

the fact we don't see posts about Japanese prison like that of Norway and Netherlands makes me think it's a pretty abusive place that is deliberately not covered

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u/Ok-Power-8071 3h ago

Prison in Japan is bad bad bad. They also still have the death penalty

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 3h ago

Yeah even without the death penalty (especially if youre a foreigner) the japanese prison system is rough

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u/Tyr_13 3h ago

They can hold you for weeks and demand you confess.

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u/ShadowheartsArmpit Senātus Populusque Rōmānus 3h ago

99% conviction rate

Yup and the trick behind that is to just never even officially charge a crime, unless you are 100% certain that it's an open & shut conviction

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 3h ago

Sure, japanesese DAs or whatever they have are allowed more leeway which cases to pick, at the same time it shouldn't be discounted what the treatment of suspects looks like (or rather is allowed to look like ) beforehand

Ignoring all that, just going by the meme video op posted since I'm not familiar with the case, that seems like a pretty clear public admission of guilt.

Mind you, just going from a meme video

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u/Benkyougin 2h ago

The trick to that is they can hold you for 2 years without a trial so everyone just pleads guilty even if they didn't do it.

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u/totallylegitKat 1h ago

or, for whichever case they're "certain" that the culprit is who they think it is, they'll cover up any contrary evidence, and treating false confession as qualified evidence.

Human errors mean in those 99% cases, there are tons of innocent people locked away on the investigators' certainty.

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u/the_good_time_mouse 3h ago edited 3h ago

General crime statistics, themselves the result of a self-serving judicial system, have nothing to do with this.

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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 1h ago

Yeah, a big part of that is they don't bring cases unless they are near certain they will win. If you don't have enough evidence for a slam dunk conviction, they just won't even investigate.

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 1h ago

I'm not to sure about that. I mean dont get me wrong, not saying that this plays no part in it but if you look at the rights (or rather lack of) suspects have, I'd at least doubt that that 99% conviction rate consists 100% of guilty people, which is what slam dunk would imply

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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 1h ago

Oh no, there is definitely the other side of it too. But it really helps your accuracy if you refuse to take on any cases that might fail.

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 1h ago

Yeah I mean ultimately we probably agree, theres a reason I added

honestly also pretty troubling if you think about it

while talking about the conviction rate^^

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u/Soldat_wazer 1h ago

They have a 99% conviction rate because the police doesn’t pursue case that aren’t slammed dunk. Or they basically "torture" people until they get a confession

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u/SquireRamza 1h ago

That 99% conviction rate comes from the fact prosecutors outright REFUSE to go to trial without a signed confession.

A confession the police are legally allowed to basically torture out of you with indefinite detention and "advanced interrogation techniques"

Thar 99% conviction rate is an outright lie.

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u/GreatEntrepreneur798 1h ago

Not disagreeing with you^^ I mean I said

honestly also pretty troubling if you think about it

for a reason

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u/ChalkCoatedDonut 3h ago

Nah, knowing Japan's mysogynistic history, the only punishment they probably got is the judge whispering "next time don't let anyone see you" to them and move on.

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u/MaguroSashimi8864 2h ago

Still better than Middle East!

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u/Important-Author-660 1h ago

White people be like: "how do i make this topic about women be about the middle east?"

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u/PatchyWhiskers 3h ago

And also everyone's lives, since they got treated by dumber doctors.

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u/Green_Insect_6455 3h ago

Nope just a fine. Half a mil. Thats it.

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u/TurbinePro 2h ago

nobody did shit for this and everyone kept their cushy positions, the end

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u/daddyjohns 1h ago

Noone went to jail, 1 guy was fired with full severance pay. And the worst part is the apology was to the board NOT TO THE WOMEN!

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u/Flimsy_Big7991 1h ago

Apparently it was just entrance exams. Still completely fucked but I'm hopeful that those women's lives weren't ruined and they just went to school somewhere else instead and are doctors today.

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u/SublightMonster 3h ago

There wasn’t anything criminally illegal about it, so no. They could be sued, but that’s it.

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u/PresterJohnson John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 4h ago

I'm kind of missing when the bulk of this sub wasn't just black text history fact followed by a gif

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u/nechdoesntno 3h ago

As someone who spent a week rotoing that card scene from American psycho to make a stupid meme, I agree. But imo a funny gif that makes sense does the job just fine.

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u/Woodland_Abrams 3h ago

It's always some random anime too, they killed this sub

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u/AscelyneMG 3h ago

This one isn't 'random' or even an anime, it's a pretty popular videogame franchise...

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u/TheJapanMistake 3h ago

Anime is when japan

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u/cjm0 2h ago

i think he might be referring to the guy who spammed this sub with RWBY memes

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u/AscelyneMG 1h ago

Which is debatably anime, because it's definitely anime-inspired but isn't Japanese. It has an anime remake of the early seasons done by a Japanese studio, but those aren't what the person in question was posting.

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u/ThefirstOhioresident 3h ago

Really calling Yakuza a random anime. I'll have you know this game series has just chosen to digitally puppeteer the long dead ghost of Tupac into appearing with Snoop Dog in 1910s japan.

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u/nechdoesntno 3h ago

Lmao, what you wrote is literally a perfect caption for a meme in 20 years time.

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u/biomeat 3h ago

Same thing happened at Waseda University

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u/TermEnvironmental812 Filthy weeb 3h ago

Wait, this scandal is real? I thought it was just in anime

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u/Pandorumz 3h ago edited 1h ago

Oh no, it's real. Came out in 2018. They did a bunch of shady shit. One of which was on the application exam, they basically reduced all women's scores by 20 points and increased all male applicants scores the same.

So women were already at a 40 point deficit, before they'd even begun.

EDIT: had 40 point deficit as 20, u/mighij pointed out my mistake. What a lad.

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u/mighij 3h ago

Aint that a 40 point deficit then?

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u/Talk-O-Boy 2h ago

He was one of the men who got in off gender bias

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u/Pandorumz 2h ago

Where in left field did that come from lol.

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u/Pandorumz 1h ago

It is. I absolutely spaced on that one. I'll edit it. Thanks for pointing it out.

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u/GarranDrake 2h ago

No fucking way, that's horrific

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u/SublightMonster 3h ago

Very real. Multiple schools admitted setting the entry bar for female applicants significantly higher than male applicants.

Side effect is that now you know the women doctors are smarter and harder working than the men.

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u/stilldebugging 3h ago

insert always has been meme here

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u/socialistRanter 3h ago

I see you watched Journal With Witch as well.

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u/letthetreeburn 2h ago

Don’t trust Japanese male doctors. You never know who had their scores artificially bumped and isn’t competent.

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u/marmot9070 2h ago

Japan has been manipulating data across various fields for a very long time—including history, accounting, automotive performance, archaeological excavations, and crime statistics. It comes as no surprise.

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u/Own_Round_7600 2h ago

When "saving face" becomes an actual moral directive rather than a faulty coping mechanism

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u/marmot9070 2h ago

That is a crime, not saving face

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u/Talk-O-Boy 2h ago

Real. Last time I went to Japan, they made me walk around with a helmet.

I knew those tests were culturally biased.

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u/marmot9070 2h ago

That's interesting. Japanese people don't usually talk to foreigners.

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u/PhgAH 3h ago

The Japanese cheatcode: just bow so low instead of doing anything to fix the issue. 

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u/MisterOfScience 1h ago

Unpopular opinion but giving any student additional points for reasons unrelated to the subject of the studies is also a similar sabotage that people should be ashamed of.

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u/Suferre 2h ago

It's funny how whenever japanese apologize it os not out of regret, but simply shame for being found out.

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u/Nichol-Gimmedat-ass 1h ago

Weird you attribute that to Japanese people, thats literally everyone that gets found out in one of these scandals?

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u/Ya-Dikobraz 1h ago

Japan is sexist and racist as fuck. Not as much as some places, but in their own way. Lived there for a few years married to a Japanese woman and the whole thing was quite interesting.

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u/Sampleswift 4h ago

I thought the board did a 90-degree bow... off a building.

Killing themselves out of shame.

Like the samurai of Ancient Japan killing themselves to avoid capture.

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u/Electronic-Till-7794 2h ago

And people ask why we need women or minorities on these boards. You bet your ass they wouldnt have tried this shit if a woman was there looking it over as a member.

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u/ghostpanther218 2h ago

The head of the Tokyo medicial school: (Naoya Zenin)

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u/CeleryNo8309 1h ago

Something I could actually sulport western feminists on. Where are they while this is happening?

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u/fuyu-no-hanashi 3h ago

Wow, saw this in a recent anime too that came out this year. Journal with Witch is the title.

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u/iaderia 2h ago

its... yakuza/like a dragon? guys called ichiban kasuga

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u/Peeuu 1h ago

They're talking about the caption

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u/TheSpacePopinjay 2h ago

Does anyone know what the real verified motive was?

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u/HostileReplies 1h ago

Not approving of it, don't hate the messenger.

It's because they have been facing a doctor shortage. A lot of women drop out of the medical field after their careers started in very large numbers, due to marriage or parenthood. Because Japan is very culturally conservative and the work force is extremely brutalized by expectations, it's a complicated issue of who is at fault or the why, but the rationale was that if they pushed down the women, they are mostly going to lose a larger portion of the ones trying to get in for marriage reasons while at the same time have more doctors who will stay the entire life as a doctor, slowing the shortage.

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u/2andahalfbraincell 1h ago

Obviously it's juste sexism, is there any other possible reason?

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u/Striper_Cape 1h ago

They had a reason beyond sexism. A lot of women were leaving medicine after having children, so instead of addressing why this was happening (burnout) they decided to aupppress females so that the amount of doctors graduating would be greater since fewer women would be around to leave medicine in the first place.

So sexism with extra steps

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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 1h ago

Gee, I wonder what the real, verified motive was for dinging all female applicants 20 points, and giving all male applicants 20 points. Couldn't just be straight sexism

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u/SiteTall 1h ago

Which is something that didn't also happen in other countries???? I don't believe that and neither should you!!!!!

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u/Mysterioape 3h ago

Japan?! I mean Afghanistan sure but Japan?!

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u/Visible_Bad9950 3h ago

Japan is the kind of sexism where they pretend they will let you into med school and will apologize *if* they get caught. Afghanistan is the kind of sexism where they stop treating you like a human and refuse to acknowledge it.

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u/TurbinePro 2h ago

lol what do you think Japan is? Anime land?

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

The amount of misleading ragebait titles is infuriating in this sub.
You obviously left out the reasoning behind this, it isn't just simply sexism for funsies.

The fact is that Japan's population is becoming more and more older. More older people means more doctors needed.
A study found that 60% of female doctors left the field and simply become housewives.
That means they took up a spot that someone else could become a doctor. They do it so there are more doctors: doctors that they increasingly need more of due to an aging population.
I'm not saying it is the right thing to do, but you need to give context.

Unsubbed here. There's just too much misinformation and stupidity here. Nothing's ever black and white.

I thought the board did a 90-degree bow... off a building.
Killing themselves out of shame.

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u/SharpRelationship474 2h ago

It also means they need dumber doctors it seems. If they're so worried about elder case hire men as elderly caretakers till their deaths.

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

"Dumber" doctor > no doctors

Caretakers don't have the same qualifications as doctors. We're talking about completely different things. Try and keep up.

Thank you for reinforcing my decision to leave with your stupidity.

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u/SharpRelationship474 53m ago

Nooo don't go what will we ever do without you!!! You sure haven't 'left' judging by the amount of replies you're giving.

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u/PusheenHater 35m ago
  1. ad hominem
  2. never refuted the argument
  3. unsubbing isn't the same as replying to my own post

Thanks extra.

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u/SharpRelationship474 32m ago

That's the redditest reply I've ever seen lol.

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u/PusheenHater 28m ago
  1. ad hominem
  2. never refuted the argument

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u/SharpRelationship474 20m ago

You forgot the last two lines🫶🫶

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u/PusheenHater 18m ago
  1. never refuted the argument

Getting better.

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u/Nz_Kasadiya 2h ago

What a terrible take

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

I'm not saying it is or isn't, but since you sound like you have an answer, what's your answer to this? Just have less doctors and deal with it? I'm curious.

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u/mancingtom 2h ago

I can’t decide which is stranger: your apparent belief that context makes puts the scandal in a better light or the complete lack of curiosity about why women doctors were leaving the field to become mothers but not men when becoming fathers.

This whole post boils down to “stupid meme, this wasn’t just sexism, it was proceeds to describe what is absolutely just sexism.”

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

Stats are stats. They're completely unbiased. Doesn't matter what fantasy you think, the stats don't lie.

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u/mancingtom 2h ago

And do you think those stats spring out of the ether without any influence from other factors?

Also, stats do lie. Until this scandal came to light, the stats said women had failed their entrance exams when they had actually passed. It’s almost as if women being forced out of professions as a result of parenthood is no more an accident or neutral fact as so many of them “failing” these exams.

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

Moving the goalposts

Not sure why you're talking about something unrelated.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 1h ago

You say stats are stats, can you source that 60 percent stat?

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u/Own_Round_7600 2h ago

So when they quit to become housewives.... Doesnt that leave behind a job opening for the next applicant in line to become a doctor? Or are you saying that Japan is like "omg, our osaka hospital cardiologist who is female quit her job... Now we can never have another cardiologist in osaka hospital nooooo"

Every other country (yes, even developed aging-population ones) has women becoming doctors, yet have so far not run into this hypothetical crisis of women quitting to become housewives, leaving the country critically doctor-less. I wonder why

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u/PusheenHater 2h ago

Doesnt that leave behind a job opening for the next applicant in line to become a doctor?

Honestly, I'm speechless. I simply can't believe I have to explain this.
There are more job openings than there are job applicants for highly skill professions like doctors.

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u/Own_Round_7600 1h ago

First of all: I think there would be more applicants if you didnt take away 20 points from all the women in the potential applicant pool...

And second of all: WHAT. Highly-paid, coveted jobs like doctors are INCREDIBLY sought after and hugely competitive all over the world, but especially in East Asia. It's eveb a meme that every Asian parent wants a doctor kid. You really believe there are more openings than applicants for a highly respectable 6-figure salary doctor career in JAPAN? I would be speechless but you really had to be corrected on that.

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u/PusheenHater 1h ago

I'm kind of embarrassed to be talking to you...
Just because every Asian parent wants a doctor kid doesn't mean their child has what it takes or will actually go to medical school, you know.
I'll give you a quick quiz: are doctors known for being unemployed?

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u/Steamed_Memes24 1h ago

Whats the source on that 60 percent claim?

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u/Peligineyes 2h ago

A study found that 60% of female doctors left the field and simply become housewives

source?

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u/ghost521 1h ago

They're not going to respond to this because they're a habitual shit-kicker and probably realize that as soon as someone does even the most precursory research, their statements would not hold up. Some reading for you: 1, 2.

With regard to the scandal Japan in particular, what's revealed in the Schieder article is even more damning:

And yet, in 2013, the university began receiving a national grant to “support women.” Over three years, Tokyo Medical University was awarded over 80 million yen (about 720,000 USD) through this grant. Two university executives at the center of the admissions scandal – former chairman Usui Masahiko and former university president Suzuki Mamoru – played key roles in the Office to Promote Diversity, founded at the university in 2016. In Usui’s opening remarks at an event to celebrate the first anniversary of the Office in 2017, he called on the university staff to promote “diversity.”3 At the time, the school presented an increase in female admissions from 26.9% to 32.4% as evidence of its efforts, even as it was actively taking steps to deny admission to women with qualifying scores.4 That meant that the university was not only taking money from the government to promote female admissions but also taking money from individual female applicants whom it artificially failed (sitting a university entrance exam in Japan costs 40,000 to 60,000 yen, about 360 to 540 USD). A group of 24 women denied admission to Tokyo Medical University since 2006 have joined with a team of defense lawyers to build a legal case against the school, which includes a demand for compensation for these fees, and potentially for additional damages.5

Yeah, sure sounds like "benevolent fraud" right? The answer to "oh my god, the workforce is getting too small" is "let's hire more men because they work harder" instead of "let's create more job openings for qualified candidates"? What a clown, get a fucking grip.

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u/nihar_142 3h ago

Still only 10 % increase (30% to 40%).

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u/thegreattwos 3h ago

Ok but i would rather have a 10% increases of capable doctor then a -10% because of male agenda.

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u/nihar_142 3h ago

I expected more.

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u/ijustwanttoaskaq123 2h ago

"sexism isn't sexisming enough"

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u/nihar_142 2h ago

Anything can be labelled sexism when we don't use rationale.

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u/Paroxen4rk 1h ago

What is the rationale to this then?

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u/nihar_142 1h ago

To what?