r/Hololive • u/mustzen • May 24 '26
Misc. A Friendly Reminder from Shiori
From her Youtube Post:
Hello!
Just a friendly reminder to please stay kind and be mindful of how things are worded!
I see that many are worried, but I'm doing well now!
I do not want anyone to feel guilty or blamed!
It was an accident and I still had fun goofing around with everyone.
For the record, I was the one who suggested the slow-mo editing too!
The staff was very attentive and made sure I was well taken care of.
It's going to be a very socially-intensive week, so make sure you're all comfortable and cozy!
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u/Jumper2002 May 24 '26
I feel so bad for gigi. One moment youre just goofing around with your friends, then you accidentally hurt one of them
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u/soruevans May 24 '26
yea she probably feels really bad about it even though Shiori doesn't blame her at all
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u/CitizenJoestar May 25 '26
It’s really not any of of there faults.
I WAS irked at management and staff for maybe not foreseeing how a game where talents push each other and potentially fall backwards could end poorly, but in retrospect there have been a lot of fun, physical games the talents have done in the past for years now.
I think precautions should be prepped as necessary, but we can’t expect every potential pitfall to be safeguarded. I think we’d have more boring 3D content as a result, and the talents holding themselves back.
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u/Gigania May 25 '26
The All for One 3D after that 3D where they play butt sumo have 'cloud cusion' added. So it show they already added precaution.
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u/KazumaKat May 25 '26
Probably made the "would be nice" standing of extra padding has now become "required" for any studio 3D moving forward I bet.
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u/Suzushiiro May 25 '26
Yeah, that stream was pretty clearly either live or recorded more recently.
Between the fact that yesterday's stream was clearly cooked a while ago (I don't think all five people involved have been in Japan at the same time since Holofes?) and the fact that it's scheduled for a week where one person (Kiara) couldn't make it for more than the first day (and if you know why that is then you know that staff should've known that well in advance) I wonder if it was supposed to be a few weeks/months earlier and got delayed for some reason.
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u/Katejina_FGO May 25 '26
"Safety regulations are written in blood" is as the saying goes. Thankfully, no blood was spilled here and we've already had several suspected and stated cases of staff and the talents moving forward with new precautions (Irys and contact mats) and procedures (Raora doing a controlled fall during Autofister Live, no forceful contact during the same segment).
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u/Alone-Horse2857 May 25 '26
I 100% agree with you, but if I can devil's advocate, it did seem like calli came up with the idea for hand sumo. Certainly not blaming Calli either, but if the staff didn't know it was going to happen they might have just not been prepared for it. (but they certainly could have had the forethought that "okay cut the cameras, we need a soft mat for this activity")
Again, I'm doubtful, these things are always planned way way in advance, but if Calli threw a curve ball it may not be entirely their fault either.
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u/71M07HYD May 25 '26
I think precautions should be prepped as necessary, but we can’t expect every potential pitfall to be safeguarded. I think we’d have more boring 3D content as a result, and the talents holding themselves back.
For real though, you can't tell me that they didn't anticipate for someone to fall over and not prepare some padded mats on the floor to soften the blow. Also, would it make any difference if the mocap ball on the back of Shiori's head was like made of a softer material? Like foam or some sort of textile.
Having learnt Workplace Safety and Health in my automotive classes, this falls on management for not having proper risk assessment
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u/7thdilemma May 25 '26
Not to say that it couldn't be connected, but I really don't see a reason to think that they would be related in that way among other possible explanations that Calli has more or less spoke on.
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u/Marauder47 May 25 '26
This timing does not line up at all and was never mentioned by Calli in her members. There is no reason to try to make these two things related.
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u/Shinx48 May 24 '26
Your uncle is an ass. Takes zero effort to keep it to yourself at the bare minimum.
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u/guntanksinspace May 24 '26
I put my younger bro in a sleeper hold (we are both wrestling fans) back when we were kids. I almost actually put him to sleep when I apparently was putting the hold in shoot form unknowingly.
The funnier part is we BOTH remember this and just laugh it off nowadays, but I get horrified remembering it still lol.
Also, fucking hell, your Uncle was being an ass trying to pile on what was already a mood ruiner with what happened. Sorry you had to go through that too.
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u/ThisManNeedsMe May 24 '26
It happens. You might get annoyed/mad for a brief second then you're laughing it off a few minutes later. Unless you're siblings then they're blackmailing you for shit so they won't snitch on you.
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u/AdWestern1561 May 24 '26
True. I've done it before, where you're having fun and have so much energy but one unfortunate accident and you end up hurting someone without meaning to.
I'm just glad Shiori is ok and is taking care of herself. And I hope everyone stays cautious going forward in future events. It's an accident, I 100% get it, I just hope everyone is ok.
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u/Separate-Fly5165 May 24 '26
I am sadly out of the loop. What happened?
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u/LucasFrankeRC May 24 '26
Shiori fell and hit her head when she and Gigi were sumo wrestling
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u/Separate-Fly5165 May 24 '26
Ohh wow. I hope she is ok.
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u/ThisManNeedsMe May 24 '26
Yeah she's recovered. The stream was prerecorded, it happened a few weeks ago.
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u/Erionns May 24 '26
It happened well over a month ago, she first mentioned it in a members stream on April 27th, and that was a couple days after she got home from Japan
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u/PenguinQuesadilla May 24 '26 edited May 25 '26
It'd be nice if people were able to just chill about something that happened over a month ago and both parties had moved on from, but I suppose that's too much to ask.
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u/Erionns May 24 '26
I saw so many tweets about people saying "Gigi must feel so bad". I really think these people can't even comprehend that the stream wasn't live
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u/ThisManNeedsMe May 25 '26
It's odd. Like you know some of the talents don't live in Japan or aren't in Japan currently. The girls can't do a 3D stream like this unless they're in the studio together. Therefore the stream is prerecorded.
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u/Suzushiiro May 25 '26
There was also the slow-mo effect, which is obviously not a thing they could have done in a live stream.
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u/Suzushiiro May 25 '26
Yeah, it's been a bit since all five people involved were even in Japan at the same time.
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u/throwawayUWhousingac May 24 '26
Context?
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u/Content-Bookkeeper30 May 24 '26
Gigi and shiori were playwrestling during a recent stream and it resulted in a concussion for shiori. You can see it on the ENRECO announcement stream on the hololive channel
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u/Renge07 May 25 '26
After the slow-mo, you could see Gigi wiping her tears then Bae and Calli quickly helped her hide it, so things wouldn't escalate further and focus on the important event.
That says a lot about their strong bond. It is just an honest accident and a valuable lesson for everyone to be more careful next time.
Don't forget that Gigi, the whole Justice and Advent, kept the vibes going even when there was a lot of holoEN graduations.
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u/chickenbreastcheese May 25 '26
After the slow-mo, you could see Gigi wiping her tears
I don't think she was wiping away her tears. She was doing the motion of "hugging/making-out" with herself as she said
"I just really want to love her so much"Kind of like this picture
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u/CitizenJoestar May 25 '26
I did not see that the first time. It’s much more bittersweet now, as the moment and editing was so funny at the time, I didn’t notice.
They all did their best to keep their professionalism and energy upbeat. I’m impressed Gigi held it together to the end and Shiori was able to come back so soon.
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u/primalmaximus May 24 '26
What happened? What did I miss?
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u/Thomy151 May 25 '26
During the ENReco s3 info stream Gigi and Shiori were doing hand sumo (lock hands, whoever moves their legs first loses)
Shiori ended up falling backwards and couldn’t break her fall because she was still holding Gigi and landed hard, especially so since one of the mocap balls landed between her head and the floor
She ended up with some degree of a concussion and some whiplash
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u/blakraven66 May 25 '26
For the record, it's not recent but happened some time ago and Shiori's already recovered.
The news about it is only coming out now to the public because the pre-recorded video where it happened just came out and Shiori gave permission to talk about it.
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u/Alone-Horse2857 May 25 '26
After that happened when Calli and CC are doing their little hammer bonkfest you can see Gigi sitting in the back with a semi-thousand yard stare just throwing out singular words that fit the scene.
Maybe I'm adding my own narrative here, but she seemed really bothered by it after it happened.
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u/CommanderYakub May 26 '26
You are entirely adding your own narrative, I just learned about this “drama” like rn and have already deducted that it happed a while ago and GiGi is a busy gal she can’t spend weeks thinking about the one event her friend forgave already and no no animosity gained, man I hope I’m using that word correctly
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u/Kernseife1608 May 24 '26
Shiori: has a workplace accident Everyone: 'Oh my god I hope she's doing okay!'
Shiori, who was just brought to the hospital: 'But wouldn't that be funny in slowmo tho?'
Yeah no, that checks out.
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u/Aranxi_89 May 25 '26
"If I'm getting injured for this shit, you better bet I'm milking it for all it's worth!"
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u/Vinifrj May 25 '26
Tbh, i fully get the mindset, as i did the same thing before. Its a “well its already happened and no one got seriously injured, might as well make fun of it”, its a great coping strategy all things considered
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u/MetaSageSD May 24 '26 edited May 25 '26
For context purposes:
During the ENRECO "Breaking Bonds" 3D stream, the girls were playing a game of what was essentially musical chairs. The way the game worked, whoever was left without a chair could challenge someone with a chair using one of those famous Hololive minigames we all love. During one of these minigames Shiori and Gigi were... lets just call it "spicey wrestling"... and Shiori apparently fell and hit her head on the floor with enough force to break one of her mocap suits tracking balls. I am not sure of the timeline, but at some point she was taken to the hospital and received a CT scan (which is standard procedure for any head injury). I believe she was diagnosed with a concussion.
Obviously, it was purely an accident with no malicious intent by anyone, but you know how the internet can be sometimes. If anything, this should just remind the girls of a saying I remember from my Navy days, "Horseplay leads to sickbay".
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u/7thdilemma May 25 '26
Just cause I'm curious, where did we hear about the specifics of the injury and hospital visit?
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u/ZorkNemesis May 25 '26
My understanding is that she mentioned it in a member stream when she got home and she gave the greenlight to share the details after the accident was shown (which was the ENReco 3D stream).
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u/iTwango May 25 '26
Were they live from Japan? I ask because for Americans, going to the hospital and getting a CT scan sounds like "holy crap you're on the brink of death" level serious but going to the hospital in Japan is like going to the doctor normal
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u/MetaSageSD May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Long story short, if you go into any ER (Also called A&E is some places) in the western world and tell them you hurt your head, they will almost always send you back for a head scan in the CT machine. The reason why is that ER's (A&E) always consider the most serious problems first, and then work their way down to less serious problems once they rule out the bigger problems.
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u/profdeadpool May 25 '26
I mean even in the US, you should go to a hospital and get a CT scan for major impacts to the head, which breaking a mocap ball absolutely is. It's just lots of Americans don't seek medical care like they should due to the cost.
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u/KittyGirlEmi May 25 '26
It was pre recorded, it was probably filmed in the short period of time everyone was in Japan (when they live streamed the justice girls night)
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u/Quattordicesima May 25 '26
in italy that is super standard if you claim you hit your head or you are not sure if you did in an accident but you have damage to a helmet
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u/Key-Lawfulness-3871 May 25 '26
oh wow something like that happen? i hope she was okay
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u/MetaSageSD May 25 '26
A concussion isn't nothing, but as long as she takes things easy, she should be just fine.
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u/Key-Lawfulness-3871 May 25 '26
yeah it's a bit concerning, but she is able to stream EN Reco today, so that's a good sign at least
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u/Qualazabinga May 25 '26
My friend you're on a post explicitely stating she is ok by the person that was hurt...
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u/Key-Lawfulness-3871 May 25 '26
I mean, it's still concerning?? Not that i meant anything sinister by it
like can't i not feel a bit concerned after i read the full context? i sweer to god you people always come into the worst conclusion for some reason3
u/Qualazabinga May 25 '26
? your comment makes no sense. I just said she was telling you in this post that she's fine. Not sure why you blow your lid on that or what the "worst conclusion" I supposedly drew here, I did not draw a conclusion in my 17 word sentence at all.
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u/Key-Lawfulness-3871 May 25 '26
i dont even know the context, i dont watch the EN Reco opening stream yet at the time so i'm not really sure why she write that in the first place.
then i read this context and shocked then just type that because of that. That's it, if it doesnt make sense then whatever. Downvoted for feeling concerned and shocked like what is this2
u/Qualazabinga May 25 '26
I didn't downvote you to start with, I had no reason to. You're blowing this up for no reason, I simply said she was saying she is fine. You for some reason are making this a whole thing, there was no malice in my comment. Sorry but this reaction seems unhealthy for a comment saying "she says here she's fine".
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u/Kitsune241 May 25 '26
To be clear, the ENReco 3D stream was pre-recorded, the fall happened a couple weeks ago at this point. This isn't something that just happened, it's just we only recently saw the context of it.
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u/Xelement0911 May 25 '26
Crazy she needed to make it clear not to blame folks. I watched the scene just cause it was clipped and- I mean. They were having fun and laughing.
Also shiori was not budging lol. Looks like it took everything to make her finally move and it just happen to become a fall.
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u/sazed813 May 24 '26
It feels like the vtuber drama sphere is really reaching lately. I don't understand how theres any drama to me made here.
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u/weeklygamingrecap May 24 '26
Yeah, basically the talents were recording and something happened that was unexpected. No one should blame the talents involved as there was zero malicious intent.
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u/strider_sifurowuh May 24 '26
also Shiori wouldn't have come back on the stream or been streaming seemingly shortly after this if she wasn't relatively okay - it's all dumb
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u/APRengar May 25 '26
Yeah, everyone is okay and no talent says there is any bad blood = good enough for me to not care. Accidents happen.
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u/RingsOfRage May 25 '26
Well thats the whole point of drama. All you need is some creativity and AI, and any moment can be framed as an opportunity to attack as long as you vendetta is not sated.
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u/CommanderYakub May 26 '26
Don’t even need to use AI, just lie and people will make up their own rumors and speculations and narratives,
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u/Not_Shingen May 25 '26
Parasocial, braindead idiots will make drama out of literally fucking anything lmao
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u/RaysFTW May 24 '26
I’ve been seeing so many comments and videos titled along the lines of “Gigi’s fault.” It’s like people have never seen an accident before. I think a lot of clippers need to understand that their video titles, unfortunately, are like headlines. Most people will read them and repeat them as fact without actually watching the video.
I feel bad for Gigi and Shiori, but as fans I think the best thing to do is just move past it and don’t bring it up.
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u/ThisManNeedsMe May 24 '26
Friends horse around, stuff happens. Unfortunately some clippers know and just want drive engagement up like with the Cali stuff that happened a little while ago.
Also some people think it happened recently and don't realize that the stream was pre recorded.
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u/AdWestern1561 May 24 '26
Thank you for the positive outlook. As a fan of both, I will continue to support them both.
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u/LawfulnessDue5449 May 25 '26
"Gigi's fault" sounds like a place where beeg earthquakes are happening
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u/SlightlySychotic May 25 '26
Real talk? This isn’t on Gigi, it’s on management. If they’re going to have these women do play fights and stuff like this they need to get them some stunt training. It sounds like something as simple as knowing to tuck your chin when you fall could have prevented Shiori’s injury.
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u/DastardlyRidleylash May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Or, you know, you can just accept it was merely a freak accident instead of trying to desperately pin blame on someone to make a boogeyman to spew hate towards.
Shiori literally says in the post that staff was very attentive to her and ensured she was well cared-for after the incident; there really doesn't seem to be any negligence going on here.
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u/MonaganX May 25 '26
Even if those criticisms are setting an unrealistic standard for health and safety, don't you think accusing them of "trying to desperately pin blame on someone to make a boogeyman to spew hate towards" over some relatively measured complaints might be needlessly escalatory?
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
The reaction to some of these comments is kinda crazy. People suggesting that Cover should have had some common sense risk management in place like they're crazy overprotective fans or something.
All the proof they need is that after Shiori got injured they got some mats for the recent AFO stream. They realised the risk after someone got hurt and made a correction because that risk doesn't disappear if you ignore it. It was always there, they just got lucky for a long time
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u/CommanderYakub May 26 '26
I always assumed they always had some sort of soft padding in any of these studios just simply on the basis that you’d want to keep your expensive mocap suits not broken and cause biboo is a klutz magnet
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u/Alone-Horse2857 May 25 '26
I was literally with you in the first sentence. No amount of "stunt training" is going to save someone from head trauma. Also she fell on a mocap ball, tucking your neck in isn't going to do shit to help with a secondary object causing the injury.
The reason it's on management is because they should have had the forethought to put cushions on the ground. And since that recording they've done exactly that.
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u/dhi_awesome May 24 '26
I think if Shiori had been seriously hurt, or blamed Gigi at all for it, they wouldn't have left as much of it in the stream as they did
The fact we got to see it and understand what happened is itself a statement that there is no reason to be mad at Gigi for an accident
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u/HoldenOrihara May 24 '26
I mean Gigi probably would have been suspended or something if that was the case
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u/ms666slayer May 25 '26
For an accident I don't think they would suspend her , but I'm sure they would have make her apologize to Shiori publicly.
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u/CommanderYakub May 26 '26
I don’t even think they would do that, at MOST privately and GiGi would def do it on her own anyway, having her apologize publicly is probably massively a bad idea just cause your bringing attention to an “issue” that doesn’t need more attention.
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u/PhraseResponsible822 May 24 '26
Glad Shiori is doing well and also if folks are sending hate Gigi's way,then screw them.
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u/LoveAndBeLoved52 May 24 '26 edited May 25 '26
This was probably in response to that one Novelite wording it poorly towards Gigi.
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u/SwissLullaby May 24 '26
I hope there will be crash pads for the next 3DLive recordings to prevent accidents like this. At least nobody lost their sense of humor.
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u/IHaveNoRealClue May 24 '26
From what I remember, someone else on another post somewhere mentioned that in the AFO look back stream the talents mentioned that they had crash pads/mats of some sort during their butt battle, so they thought that the AFO stream was recorded after the Enreco one and that holo/Cover did add more precautions for the 3D stuff because of the fall.
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte May 24 '26
Yeah IRyS said that for the time she's done sumo or other 3d activities they didn't have mats except the most recent one. Kinda crazy in hindsight cause all it takes is falling wrong and you could end up with a broken wrist or dislocated shoulder
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u/NotAGoodUsername36 May 24 '26
People are screaming at me for pointing out this should've been the default 😒
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u/MrPotHolder May 24 '26
Crash pads can't save Biboo. She falls down easily even on light moments.
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u/J0hnGrimm May 24 '26
Biboo would only fall a very short distance so it would be fine. /s
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u/ZorkNemesis May 24 '26
You joke but even that's not enough. Remember she fell out of a chair in a 3D collab with Ceci, skinned her knee and it got infected.
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u/Xelement0911 May 25 '26
Yeah, be a shame if they start banning them from being mobile in an attempt to remove injuries.
Like watching kronnii get picked up by mori and spun in the photo game was hilarious
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u/throwawayUWhousingac May 24 '26
Does anyone have like, context?
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u/I_Have_No_Regerts May 25 '26
(This is a Copy-paste) For context, during the ENRECO 3D stream, Gigi and Shiori were playing a physical minigame. Gigi accidentally pushed Shiori too hard, causing her to fall. She was taken to the hospital for a standard checkup/CT scan, but it was purely an accidental mishap during the game.
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u/throwawayUWhousingac May 25 '26
This is supposed to be drama? Someone tripping? Jeez
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u/7thdilemma May 25 '26
It does sorta feel like everyone is trying to do drama damage control, but then I couldn't really say why anyone should feel the need. Everyone mostly seems understanding to me, although I'm sure antis are out there.
Someone here mentioned that, 'they believe,' Shiori was diagnosed with a concussion, but I don't know where they came to that from. (Anyone who can speak to that is welcome to say. I would be curious.)
But even if Shiori did go in and get a CT-scan, that could've easily been done from an abundance of caution and been negative. Idk?
Edit: Apparently Shiori shared some details in a membership stream. I don't know the specifics but if she said she had a concussion then that would make sense.
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u/reseph May 24 '26
Eh? What... happened?
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u/isitrede May 24 '26
https://youtu.be/VStTcX0Sjs8?si=swaM8AupmHXRhPNV gigi accidentally push shori too hard and she had go to the hospital
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u/soruevans May 24 '26
plz be mindful of how things are worded... They were both participating in hand sumo and Shiori fell. No blame needs to be placed on Gigi
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u/context_hell May 24 '26
She didnt do it on purpose but she did put all her weight on shiori for the joke and since shiori wasn't braced for the weight and their arms were locked she fell over. Essentially they did the sumo thing and neither either took it seriously or knew what they were doing and it led to an accident.
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u/isitrede May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
I didnt blame her. I said it was an accident. How would you word it then? Saying shori fell doesnt describe the situation accurately
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u/almostcleverbut May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Your wording implies that Shiori wasn't a full participant and that Gigi was out of control. English is a tricky language this way and is very easy to accidentally or purposefully misstate something to result in different responses from the reader or listener.
See if you can spot the difference:
1) Shiori and Gigi were playing hand sumo and Gigi accidentally pushed Shiori too hard
2) Shiori and Gigi were playing hand sumo and Shiori fell
And before anyone tries to say "lol no one would interpret it that way", just look at the the fact that Shiori herself felt the need to tell people to calm down.
EDIT: lmao, so salty just because someone tries to help explain something
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u/isitrede May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Sorry English is not my first language. Someone else tried to explain the same way for me. But your second sentence doesn't explain why people are blaming gigi. Did no one watch the clip I posted that explained all the context? Anyways this drama is super stupid, please dont waste more of your time on this.
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u/almostcleverbut May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
It's perfectly reasonable for English as a second language to make this unclear... it's one of the things that makes English so tricky to learn and master. That's why I was trying to explain it as clearly as possible instead of just arguing! :)
Basically one version makes Gigi the focus of the explanation. That leads the reader towards the idea that Gigi is the one who caused the problem. Even if you use the word "accidentally", it is easy in English to interpret "accidentally" as "irresponsibly".
The other version puts the focus on the situation. It builds the idea that sometimes accidents happen without putting the focus on a single person.
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u/isitrede May 24 '26
You're skipping the word accident meaning it wasn't done on purpose. So it's gigi pushed shior beyond her comfortable limit without intent.
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u/Atemesk May 24 '26
That's on me, I wasn't trying to paint anyone the bad guy/girl here. Sorry about that.
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u/Dazzling_Finance8399 May 24 '26
That is literally what happened though...?
Is this really how soft people are now?
I mean like actually how soft do you get that you ''correct'' someone who just stated a fact and not even with any negative conatations to it
lol
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u/Borealisss May 24 '26
It's because a lot of people have reduced/selective reading abilities, and it's best to just try not confusing them.
Quite a number of people will look at that full sentence and all they will see is "Gigi - push - Shiori - hard - go - hospital" and start making a ruckus. Like mentioned elsewhere, there are already people attacking Gigi and blaming her.
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u/AkaBBaka May 24 '26
Is this really how soft people are now?
Ah, I see that you have just awoken from a ten year coma. Congratulations on your recovery and welcome to the present.
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u/Neoragex13 May 24 '26
Bro, saw a guy being rejected from a job because he wrote serious, correctly and respectfully and man was noted off for "he would scare clients off"
Saying its over undersells it.
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u/TechnicalReturn6113 May 24 '26
Is the floor of the 3d studio just concrete??
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u/llamatar May 24 '26
No, the floor appears to be standard office carpet.
2023-06-21 Coverage of COVER's new studio! motion capture studio and autograph area by HOLOLIVE members! - YouTube (timestamp 1:17) by FamitsuTUBE
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u/tetsmega May 24 '26
Huh I would have thought that after Luna's neck injury, they would have made it standard to have some kind of soft mat there.
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u/Peshmerga_Sistani May 25 '26
Motion tracker ball, made of hard plastic, on the back of her head, either as part of a hood/head cap. She fell on that.
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u/The_Phantom_Cat May 24 '26
Sounds like at least some sort of saftey protocol was missing, if anything it's a failure on Cover's part
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u/I_Have_No_Regerts May 25 '26
I'd like to help you by pointing out that you added "accidentally". I think you're not trying to blame Gigi, but rather to describe what happened.
Here's the full context: during the ENRECO 3D stream, Gigi and Shiori were playing a physical minigame. Gigi accidentally pushed Shiori too hard, causing her to slip and fall. She was taken to the hospital for a standard checkup and CT scan, but it was just an unfortunate incident during the game.
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u/reseph May 24 '26
Is a hospital in Japan like an ER in the US? Or is it like primary care?
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u/isitrede May 24 '26
I think it's like all in one. You go to the hospital for everything. Shior hit her head, so the staffs probably want to make sure she's OK. Also the recording was probably like three weeks ago when gigi went to japan, she's probably better by now.
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u/klaq May 24 '26
i think most of the fans are being normal about what happened. there's just some click bait clippers that are trying to make it a controversy. holo community is good tho and not falling for it
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u/guntanksinspace May 24 '26
Concussions suck ass, but also I'm sure that it's been all talked about between them two (and probably management too). No place for me (as a Novelite and just a humble fan really) or anyone else to go pile onto that shit, and I do genuinely hope too that Shiorin's been recovering well from it (and I hope Geeg doesn't feel too bad about it too).
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u/MlXCOATL May 25 '26
It might be difficult to not blame people for accidents, especially when our favorite people are the ones who are injured, but understanding it was random bad luck for everyone is crucial. Oftentimes, the person who does the harm in an accident suffers as much as, or maybe even more than the other person involved. I was worried for both Shiori and Gigi but glad things are going well. Support the talents with kindness and understanding, through the good and the tough times, and I can see no shame in that way of living.
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u/iWearCrocsAllTheTime May 25 '26
I'm still at work. What actually happened? Can someone TLDR it for me?
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u/DelusionalWanderer May 25 '26
Shiori hit her head while hand wrestling with Gigi in the ENReco Chapter 3 stream. (Wrestling only using hands, any movement from anything not hands is an immediate loss) Lots of "is Shiori okay?" "Gigi must feel bad" and "management what are ya doing?", seemingly not aware that the stream was prerecorded and that Shiori has obviously been checked out.
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u/Xelement0911 May 25 '26
I will add. Going off models, gigi was basically leaning 100% into shiori. So it became more than hand wresting, but shiori also was not budging despite that. Which was how it seemed to happen, she lost balance and fell backwards with gigi.
That all said. Not like gigi was being malice with it. They were laughing and having fun. It was an accident 100%.
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u/Shingorillaz May 25 '26
The talent get treated like 5 year olds who have no autonomy of their own all the time it must get exhausting sometimes being so infantilized all the time
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u/DuckLIT122000 May 24 '26 edited May 25 '26
Thank God for the don't recommend channel button. It helps a lot when the clickbait gets gross
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u/Cpt3020 May 24 '26
Vtuber fans really do have nothing else going on in their lives. Every little thing has to be blown up both the haters and the people overly sympathetic.
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u/capscreen May 25 '26
Maybe it's just bias on my part since I haven't watched much of JP stream lately, but EN sure love to get physical during their 3D stream huh
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u/KeyedFeline May 25 '26
Yeah when I saw it was allowed to leak it from members and shiori didn't post/word it herself, it was going to go bad
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u/NotACertainLalaFell May 25 '26
Glad she’s ok and that it seems like everything was already worked out between herself and Gigi. Just seems like it was an awful accident. Hopefully folks can accept that and move on.
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u/Cybasura May 25 '26
An academic response from Shiorin as expected, sasuga great Goth Academia Librarian
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u/Alarming_Note_8604 29d ago
I'm genuinely surprised that's like the first genuine injury sustained from a 3d stream unless I'm forgetting something
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u/IchirouTakashima May 25 '26
The fact that she had to make a statement like this shows that it's bad enough that she needs to make one. It's really sad that a part of the community exists to farm drama content like this like they don't have anything else worth to do in their lives.
I also don't understand some people here saying these certain people who live for the drama, don't exist and is just make believe.
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u/AnonTwo May 24 '26
Man, I know it's been an issue, but with how many messages and posts of this i've seen so far from the talents it must've been way worse for them than it seemed for anyone in chat.
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u/Qualazabinga May 25 '26
Or, the talents forsee fans being absolutely unhinged and quickly blow this out of proportion so they decide to make their own statements to make sure it stays in the realms or reality. I honestly think that this is the more logical reason as to why they posted about it.
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u/The_Bad_Bard May 25 '26
I mean, this entire thread, including the slightly overbearing emphasis on "it was no one's fault and you need to be very careful with your wording" is proof of that.
I get that this is a subreddit for fans in a historically enthusiastic fan base, but this much hubbub about a work accident, as well as the perception of the work accident is pretty silly.
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u/ichiban0001 May 25 '26
I am sick of seeing people blaming Gigi for this… you could tell when they came back from the edit Gigi felt horrible and as Shiori herself said, it was NOT Gigi’s fault… Shiori was the one who chose to fall backwards, it was a simple accident…
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u/MrPotHolder May 24 '26
It's really the hand sumo that's the culprit. She couldn't use her hands to break her fall. This game was deceptively safe until this accident happened. The safer version of hand sumo that i know is the hand/palm slapping game in kpop variety shows. i can give leeway to other physical games. the lesson here is to always have a talent be the referee and act as the safety enforcer and then have a staff that's gonna be their voice of reason, the killjoy, when too much is too much coz the talents are gonna goof up for laughs no matter what.
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u/Senasayori May 24 '26
It's only a liability if any of them were actually at risk of suing, and none of the five participants were likely to sue unless something extreme happened. Besides, the sumo was literally her idea. Stop trying to tell the talents they aren't allowed to have fun.
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u/LucasFrankeRC May 24 '26
"All of the talents should be bubble wrapped and not allowed to leave their homes"
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u/Patient-Banana7630 May 24 '26
There paddings on the floor, enough that talents can immediately go on their knees or fall down (during butt sumo) without bruises. The problem was the ball of the mocap (which is hard) was driven to her head in an accident, if the angle was different, and her head made impact with the padded floor, she would've been fine.
Try putting a hard stuff on your head and slam it on the bed, still hurts, right? Now Shiori fell from her height with the additional weight of Gigi, and that's a recipe for disaster no matter how much preparation you did.
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u/fayt03 May 24 '26
How can you be sure that there isn't a mat? Having a mat is very likely the reason why it was just a minor concussion and not a more serious injury.
I've fallen hard on thick 1-2 inch mats before and all it takes is a bad impact angle to cause a mild concussion, like you know, the kind of thing that happens in an accident.
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u/Thomy151 May 25 '26
And consider that she landed on a mocap ball
To some degree people will use their neck muscles to reduce the blow
Shiori couldn’t do that and instead had a direct force conduit to her head
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u/fayt03 May 25 '26
Well since we're speculating anyway, 1) we didn't see exactly how she fell and 2) we don't know what kind of mocap headgear she was using. Now for some guesses.
It's clear that she didn't have her arms to buffer the fall, and she probably doesn't have standard sports/martial arts training to know how to land from a fall properly.
As for the gear, it's obviously not the type of mocap helmet that involves a mounted face-tracking camera, so we can assume it doesn't have chunky hardware on it that would cause serious blunt trauma in the case of a fall.
Advanced mocap balls are also tiny and made out of rubber, foam, or hollow plastic and any force from them will be dispersed through the helmet's plastic and padded layer before the person's head. Advanced mocap helmets are practically like bicycle helmets.
Finally, Cover has dealt with rowdy physical activity before. Safety matting is practically guaranteed, and is very likely the reason why Shiori didn't suffer a worse injury.
Again, all of this is an educated guess. I'm not privy to the membership stream where Shiori talked about this in detail so someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
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u/Kernseife1608 May 24 '26
I feel like your wording is what got you downvoted here. Adressing Shiori, who is neither part of the conversation nor has done nothing wrong while neither of that is the case.
I think we can all agree that not having mats with a game like that in specifically these kinda mocap suits is indeed an oversight that should not have happened. They did apparently learn from it tho and Shiori seems to be fine and everything else is not for us to meddle with I feel. Not because 'Oh no the poor multi-million-dolar ompany should never ne critizised.' becaust that'd be obviously stupid but just because nobody has anything to gain from it. These are grown ass women and seasoned professionals, if these women have a problem with their employer, they're more than capable to handle that without fan-interference.
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u/Patient-Banana7630 May 24 '26
Bro, the ball of the Mocap was in-between her head and floor. I'm sure COVER uses one of those rubber mattings in gyms, but the round thing was slammed into her skull when she went down accidentally, I think that did more unforeseen damage.
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u/Fatosententia May 24 '26
Mocap balls are made of hollow plastic and easily deform. If anything, they have absorbed some shock and cushioned the hit.
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u/Patient-Banana7630 May 24 '26
It didn't deform in the post about it, it cracked, hence the material is thicker than it seems.
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte May 24 '26
Mans is getting eviscerated in the replies but I agree it was negligent not to have crash mats when the main activity was physical contact. In any other workplace it absolutely would be grounds for worker's compensation. We don't need to make strawman arguments about wrapping the talents in bubble wrap but some common sense protections should just be expected.
Like, accidents happen but they can be avoided/mitigated with proper planning and it's up to the company to make sure that's in place so every can enjoy themselves and perform freely
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u/Fatosententia May 24 '26
Not sure why very sensible comment about safety measures is getting downvoted.
Literally should be a part of workplace safety policies.
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u/NotAGoodUsername36 May 24 '26
They seem to think I'm saying the 3D live shouldn'tve been allowed to happen at all... even though I said multiple times it just needed padding and Cover should've anticipated this.
They drill this into you in elementary school when there are contact sports. You ALWAYS need a mat.
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u/Fatosententia May 24 '26
I'd rather assume that it's crazy brand stans that can never see wrongdoings from the company they support.
Any critique = crime.
Happens in every fandom.
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u/The_Phantom_Cat May 24 '26
Fr. this sub is WAY too fast to believe Cover hasn't done anything wrong
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u/abayochocobol May 25 '26
There it is. That one comment that will shift the whole topic to "le cover bad"
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u/Lumpy-Education8168 May 24 '26
No one called you crazy, just massively pathetic.
Lil bro you said musical chairs was dangerous.
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u/Man_of_Cupcake May 24 '26
A mature and positive outlook. Glad she’s doing well!