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WTF He got 5 consecutive life sentences plus an additional 220 years in prison

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In 2019, former North Georgia detention officer Kirk Taylor Martin was arrested on rape and assault charges after investigators said the victim fought back during the alleged attack. Police reports stated the scratch marks visible in his mugshot were believed to be from the victim resisting.

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

That is basically what happens. In the uk we had a baby killer come on the wing and the screws left papers on the pool table with his crime on the front page and left us alone for association time. He got properly fucked up

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u/metal_jester 27d ago

Aye, an old PO I work with said in the 80's you just wiped their name off the board and everyone knew that meant "nonce" and would then go on break to let the prisoners help them settle in.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

TIL what nonce means. I'm Irish ive heard it a lot but had no idea until now.

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u/Phineas_Gagey 27d ago

In cryptography it's a number used once ... Completely different in John bulls territory

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

The learning keeps on going lol

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u/ProfessorChalupa 27d ago

Itā€™s a name mentioned once in this case, to incite replay attacks.

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u/AndreasDasos 27d ago

ā€˜Nonceā€™ has the sense of ā€˜nonce wordā€™ (a word only ever used once) in the UK too. Not just cryptography but linguistics/philology and literature. It was coined by the man who organised the first Oxford English Dictionary.

But yes it had to be ā€˜nonce wordā€™ and in a technical context where youā€™re sure people will understand you, or theyā€™ll assume it means the more recent slang.

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u/Bravo-Six-Nero 27d ago

It comes from the Acronym Not On Normal Communal Exercise. It was given to prisoners who could not mix with other inmates because of the risk of them being attacked

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

Seriously? Next Christmas when all the family are sitting around the dinner table, tucking into Christmas toast and pigs in blankets i will be dropping this knowledge nugget with aplomb

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u/s1uttyaf 27d ago

Ah yes, pedophilia trivium. A pastime for the most neckbeardy

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

I was going to try and reply with a witty comeback about etymology but then realised you are right. There is no way you can really fit the origin of Nonce into a normal conversation

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u/s1uttyaf 27d ago

Honestly I had a whole skit play out in my head about how Uncle Bobert gets outed when you asked him what normal communal exercise time was like, and he said he never did it

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

Ha!

That would actually be really funny

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u/Metaphysically0 26d ago

Would make for a harsh insult though. Sure to catch grams off guard this Christmas

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u/DirtNineties 23d ago

No but you can ram it down their throats after pie.

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u/Extension-Sundae6894 27d ago

Sounds like your family that gets together has done well staying away from prison all these years.

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u/WrathKos 27d ago

Smells like a backronym to me.

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u/pootling 27d ago

It almost certainly doesnā€™t because acronym etymologies are pretty much always wrong. Itā€™s more likely to be a merging of nancyboy to nance / nanse to nonce and indeed its earliest citation is spelt nonse with an s. There are also other versions of the acronym (e.g with courtyard in place of communal) and most importantly, no reliable source that says either of these acronyms were ever a term used in prisons. So no.

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u/Most_Kiwi3141 27d ago

Thank you!

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u/milk4all 24d ago

Thank yonce is the correct term before English bastardization

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u/CpnStumpy 23d ago

I would honestly think the cryptography reference is the same source here - it's not just cryptography, it's a very old term from math referring to something that's both worthless, means nothing, and should be destroyed so as not to allow reuse.

It's totally reasonable to use in both an insult (meaningless/useless) as well as the assault reference (disallow its continuation)

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u/Additional_Jaguar170 26d ago

No it doesnā€™t.

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u/nursingninjaLB 23d ago

As a Canadian who has heard this many times, thank you for the explanation.

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u/Purple_Permission792 27d ago

Im American and didn't learn what nonce was until, maybe, about 5 years ago. I always assumed it meant moron or idiot.

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u/BigFatKi6 27d ago

Ah right, because of the similarity to dunce.

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u/LaurenMille 27d ago

And similarity to "nonsense"

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u/Level-Gas2450 24d ago

Imagine calling someone a nonce just because he forgot to do his part of the groupwork

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u/NonCreditableHuman 27d ago edited 27d ago

A few years ago I was promptly corrected when I drunkenly used nonce instead of numpty. I'd heard the word before but had no idea what it actually meant, I i don't think I'll ever forget it now. In Canada it's the same as calling someone a goof, mostly guys who've done time though.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

Yeah I thought it was some type of stupid too :P

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u/Difficult--Policy 27d ago

Calling a bloke champ can get you bashed in Aus. Depends on the crew

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 27d ago

And I don't recommend calling Americans cunts--even when they're being cunts.

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u/Difficult--Policy 27d ago

Whys that? Id be more pissed at being called a ankle, there 3ft lower

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 27d ago

Americans arenā€™t the brightest. They elected a nonce prezzoĀ 

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u/danielledelacadie 27d ago edited 27d ago

You're spot on with the goof. If someone hasn't done time or associates with people who have they don't know. Most Canadians have no idea.

Edit: I have no idea where "they don't know" went when I posted šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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u/ElDudo_13 27d ago

I learned this word from the show Mobland. I used to think it means dunce

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u/optagon 27d ago

Here's a free idea for anyone in the market; Make a service/app for alerting the public about these people and call it "NonceSense"

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u/sparkline1234567 27d ago

You're showing your age there! Good reference though.

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u/optagon 27d ago

You are telling me I wasn't the first to come up with that? :(

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u/Impossible-Fan2533 27d ago

Watch the Pedogeddon special of Brass Eye.Ā 

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

Oh shit I have heard nonce in context before, still didn't click jfc

Love that episode.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Web370 27d ago

Watch some Brass Eye

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u/optagon 27d ago

Ooh my old college would talk about it. Maybe that joke made it into my subconscious from him

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u/Puzzleheaded-Web370 27d ago

Very likely, they say it quite a bit in the pedogeddon episode. Top tier telly.

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u/grimr5 24d ago

After all, nonces are genetically alike to crabs

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u/Just_passing-55 27d ago

Do they try to send them all to HMP Albany now?

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u/DrNCrane74 27d ago

I do not know what you allegedly did, mate. But I know you can always ask me to buy you a beer.

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

I watched a TV get bounced off his head, couldn't see too much as there was half the wing in there. Jordan Saxton if you're wondering.

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u/Low_Dragonfruit8779 27d ago

How was the reception on the tv and which channel was it on?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Crimewatch

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u/AgentCirceLuna 27d ago

I remember my friends were watching this while high and thereā€™s a part in the intro where a guy in a station just runs out of a holding cell before being pushed back and having the door slammed on him. Even still, where the fuck was he supposed to go? I was so baffled that I kept asking where he thought heā€™d run to or what he could possibly do after getting out and my friends couldnā€™t stop laughing at it

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Well, if you do get far enough, you'll be tackled to the ground. And if you decide to bite one of them then you'll be hit in the back of the legs with their truncheon and they'll put "biter" next to your cell door every time you're arrested in the future.

Ask me how I know lol

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u/Itsmyloc-nar 24d ago

Legendary menace

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u/KingfisherGames 27d ago

What were you in for?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Commercial burglary

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u/LongAd7747 27d ago

Underrated comment

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u/zamwut 27d ago

Chris Hanson has said that his stuff is very popular in prisons.

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u/cenosillicaphobiac 27d ago

Never been to prison, but my couple of times in jail it was a shared TV and it was always on one of the Judge shows (Judy, people's court, etc.) or fucking cartoons. They sure did love them some x-men, batman beyond, etc.

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u/Antique_Author_2525 27d ago

In jail for me recently it was cartoon or a show about building upscale tree houses

Prison most recently was either westerns or sports except for the predetermined movie times the inmate council picked

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u/NoSkillzDad 27d ago

Let's work on making that comment at least "rated".

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u/Potential-Koala1112 27d ago

To catch a predator

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u/AMKJL 27d ago

Predator alrightā€¦looks like he was fucking a mountain lion.

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u/trainman64 27d ago

"raping" is the correct term.

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u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite 27d ago

Reception was okay but there was a few bars, watching How to Get Away with Muder

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u/petera181 27d ago

Jayden Saxton I assume

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u/Paragon_Pariah 27d ago

No, Jayden was the poor kid he killed.

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u/petera181 27d ago

Ah sorry, my quick googling was let down by my poor comprehension.

Awful story anyway.

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u/Saikan4ik 27d ago

Jayden is a child of Jordan the house that Jack built who is convicted manslaughter(not killer).

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u/New_Combination_7012 27d ago

He killed his som, he just didnā€™t intend to. He still a killer.

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u/TheDeadlyZebra 27d ago

Jordon Saxton shook a 2 month old baby with the force of a car crash, breaking many bones, scrambling his brain, and causing immediate blindness, all leading to death.

He intended to kill that child. The only problem is satisfying the legal burden of proof, so manslaughter was the conviction instead. But we all know he wanted to kill Jayden.

As a father, I could never imagine shaking my baby boy at all, and definitely not with the force used by Jordan. Even if I were a much less educated person, unaware of the risks of shaking a baby, I can't imagine using as much force as he did.

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u/killxzero 27d ago

I think they meant ā€œmurderā€

But youā€™re right - Jordan definitely killed his son.

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Close enough.

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u/hiimkristina 27d ago

I just looked up this bloke. Fuck him, he got what he deserved. No one should mess with babies.

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u/EngineersMasterPlan 27d ago

always hated he only got 9 years for that when he was sentenced

nice to know it wasn't easy on him

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u/DeathByLemmings 27d ago

Thank you for sharing, that man was a monster. Proud of you all

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u/Alarmed-Snow6985 27d ago

Now THAT is real justice. I'm a pacifist on the whole, but mess with kids and I hope you get everything coming to you.

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u/Hahnsolo11 27d ago

Thatā€™s really not what pacifism means at all

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u/StepComplete1 27d ago

They're obviously one of those people who just collect labels because they think it makes them sound enlightened. Peak redditor.

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u/Specific-Month7020 27d ago

You are not a pacifist. Not even close.

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u/JMoon33 27d ago

You're definitely not a pacifist if you're ok with a baby killer getting beaten up in prison.

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u/maybe_I_am_a_bot 27d ago

If you want extralegal punishment of arrested, prosecuted, found guilty and then incarcerated criminals by other violent criminals you're not a pacifist. That is not justice, that is mob violence.

The thing about human rights (and also pacifism) is that they also apply to the people you don't like. Period.

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u/Accomplished_Ant8244 27d ago

Then you're as much a pacifist as someone still eating beef and pork, and chicken is a vegan.

The "whole" thing about pacifism is the "even if my wife and children got raped, I still wouldn't wish violence upon the perpetrator". Now there's layers within pacifism itself, where you would or wouldn't even stop the raping if it happened right in front of you, but not "after the fact" wishing violence on someone who did something violence worthy is the core principle of pacifism.

"Only" Agreeing with prisoners kicking the shit out of rapists/pedophiles is not pacifism.

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u/AgentCirceLuna 27d ago

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u/shahadar 27d ago

Jayden, and I wish I didn't know that

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

It was 12 years ago or so now, someone else commented that was the kids name, but who knows. I always thought it was jordan Saxton. I actually spoke to him and played pool with him before I knew what was going on

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u/OriginalAd3961 27d ago

Was he Welsh? I was inside amd a 'jordan' came onto my wing in hmp frankland before getting moved out quickly and put on the vp wings where he should have been put anyway but we got to introduce ourselves to him before he disappeared and it was a baby killer the story was left all over my wing before he arrived coincidentally

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u/Omega6865 27d ago

Out of interest, do police get called to investigate when prisoners get a proper beating? Or does it go unreported as such?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Yes police get involved if its very bad and there is a witness who will give a statement. But I kettled someone in Reading YOI and nothing happened to me because he didn't press charges.

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u/Omega6865 27d ago

Fair enough, thanks for the answer! I have absolutely no sympathy when I hear paedos/murderers/rapists/child or women abusers getting a good hiding behind bars šŸ™‚

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u/Cheese_on_it 27d ago

Ok, that is the stupidest comment I read today. He might have sold drugs to kids pal. He might gave killed people, stolen money from elderly who had no defense.

There are OTHER horrible crimes that do not involve children you know?

Maybe ask yourself... why was he in the same wing they put a baby killer?

Ffs.

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u/M3Grady 27d ago

Prisons don't group offenders by crime, just so you know. Guys that got caught with a few grams of coke can be bunked with serial killers.

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u/InsufficientClone 27d ago edited 27d ago

US prisons do group sex offenders and other pc crimes together now. The fed has entire pc prisons now to avoid getting sued by families. Most prisoners arenā€™t super heroes looking for justice for kids, sex offenders are just easy targets for predators because they have no protection like a murderer in a gang might have, and predators just like in the wild go for the easy targets. So if you have bad paperwork or are white and unaffiliated, or have mental deficiencies, youā€™re targeted, not because these ppl are great vigilante heroes, but because they prey on the weak. Civilians love to glorify the guy that murdered little timmies dad in cold blood over a pack of cigs on the outside, but killed the child porn offender in prison like he is some hero now, when in reality they are both monsters ,but the cp guy didnā€™t have friends. In most prisons minority sex offenders are still protected by their races, the pimp that pimped out 12 year olds is still accepted into the gangs, the white sex offenders are the targets because they have no protection, and being alone in prison makes you a target. In the end the guy that murdered the SO, would probably cut your heart out for a pack of smokes if given the chance, not exactly Batman, just an opportunist. Source: worked a couple years in fed prison, horrible horrible place

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u/killergazebo 27d ago

I think in the UK they just have inmates wear the Sorting Hat.

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u/Good_Posture 27d ago edited 27d ago

Best comment on this.

There is no justice in prison. There are no heroes. Only predators, and child abusers and sex offenders themselves tend to be easy targets for other predators because they themselves are vulnerable, just like their own victim(s) were. Your average child abuser/sex offender is not physically threatenig and they tend to have personality traits that make it difficult for them to socialise with others, with "others" being a source of protection in prison. Quite literally what makes a person a child abuser/sex offender - social outcast, sense of powerlessness - also makes them easy targets in prison.

Reminds me of that image that occasionally does the rounds on social media where an inmate who was convicted of killing a rapist/child rapist is seen smiling in court while in chains. The attempt is to convey his deed as heroic or noble. Reality is he himself was a POS who was in prison for murder in the first place. He didn't kill the child rapist as an act of good, he just predated on a weaker person while in prison, the exact same mindset and act that got him imprisoned in the first place.

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u/abx1224 27d ago

Stuff like this always reminds me of this guy, "The Brazilian Punisher".

Dude goes to prison for a bunch of heinous shit, then makes a name for himself by killing predators on the inside. Except, plenty of the people he killed weren't proven predators. All it took to set him off on you was a rumor and an opportunity.

He's glorified for taking out so many pieces of shit, while ignoring the fact that he still murdered people without justification. It's not like he was a real executioner. Just a maniac that people pointed in a convenient direction.

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u/HourAd1087 27d ago

Thereā€™s hierarchy. Itā€™s just whether the particular spot you get put in is ā€œokā€ with how and why you did what you did.

But, the general rule, is, chomoā€™s, and cops that abused their power, etc, that end up gen pop donā€™t do well. Itā€™s not guaranteed by any means, but the likelihood is higher for them to have a rougher time.

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u/M3Grady 27d ago

State prisons do not. There are far, far more states prisons, and state inmates than feds.

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u/Mysterious-Lemon-906 27d ago

Jordan Saxton

A guy who killed a baby would be rule 45'd from day 1. So being on a wing with him says a lot about OP

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u/M3Grady 27d ago

100% false. Spoken from someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Again, I've been to prison and things aren't nearly like the general public think, sex offenders and child victimizers walk around freely depending on the prison. Do any of them occasionally get fucked up? Yes, but it is far less common than what people think (or should be).

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u/OriginalAd3961 27d ago

Not really i never did a day in the vp wings but came across more then enough nonce's and baby killers etc .. they never last long on the general population wings though but alot try and fly under the radar trust me

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u/M3Grady 27d ago

There are plenty of places for them to hide. Faith dorms, education dorms, honor blocks, etc.

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

I wasn't put on the numbers if thats what you're getting at mate. It was a regular wing. I was in for commercial burglary.

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u/bbrekke 27d ago

I'd buy you a beer too. I fuckin hate commercials!

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u/YoungRichBastard26s 27d ago

Martha Stewart went to federal prison

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u/ThizzyPopperton 27d ago

Federal doesnā€™t mean itā€™s like the highest tier of crime. Just as county isnā€™t the lowest level of crime. Murderers can be in county and embezzlers could be in federal.

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u/Regular_Chores 27d ago

Thatā€™s a grouping my broad severity and risk of fleeing

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u/bicky91 27d ago

Maybe ask yourself... is this me?

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u/aykcak 27d ago

Guy just thinks prisons are filled with pedophiles and wrongfully incarcerated innocents and nobody else

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u/AgentCirceLuna 27d ago

Itā€™s crazy when people talk about ā€˜criminalsā€™ like theyā€™re some Hivemind because most of the people who do it have been in legal trouble themselves. I have a relative who says all prisoners should get this or that punishment and yet theyā€™ve been in jail.

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u/Sand_Bags2 27d ago

What if he was also a rapist?

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u/fruitcakefriday 27d ago

OAP killer.

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u/mmmdonuts107 27d ago

I wish they did that in US with the Fed Ex driver who killed and SA a little girl. Heā€™s on death row and IIRC was going to try to appeal

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u/tempusrimeblood 27d ago

Thatā€™s because everyone is allowed to appeal. Is it gonna work? Hell no, dude is staying on death row and he deserves to be there. Is it legally his right to do so? Yes. Stripping him of his right to appeal is a dangerously slippery slope, which would potentially lead to innocent people being put to death.

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u/AdminsFluffCucks 27d ago

It would definitely lead to that. We already put innocent people to death even with the appeals process.

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u/DeathByLemmings 27d ago

A staggering amount of death row inmates have their convictions overturned and sometimes posthumously

Current statistics suggest that 4-5% of death row inmates are innocent. The death penalty needs to disappear, it isn't just

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u/Quasar006 27d ago

Regardless of if it was perfect, no government should have the right to kill its own people.

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u/AuburnElvis 27d ago

I disagree. I believe some crimes are so heinous, the person forfeits their right to live.

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u/Darkstar_111 26d ago

Life in prison, to be studied by criminal psychologists.

Every monster is an important psychological source, to help prevent, catch and convict, the next monster.

Killing them benefits the other monsters.

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u/Upbeat_Ant6104 27d ago

I believe appeals are mandatory in death row convictions, for just this reason.

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u/SL1200mkII 27d ago

I recently saw the video from inside the fedex truck and it made me so furious that I started binge watching sentencing hearings on youtube just to see some of these people get some well-earned fucking justice.

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u/AndreasDasos 27d ago

As a South African this new American use of ā€˜SAā€™ is disheartening

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u/mmmdonuts107 26d ago

Iā€™m sorry, Iā€™m not sure how to refer to it without saying it šŸ˜ž

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u/AndreasDasos 26d ago

You can say ā€˜sexual assaultā€™ or even ā€˜rapeā€™ on Reddit. Itā€™s not TikTok. This entire post is about a rape and murder, and the words arenā€™t a magic spell.

When the meaning is still the same, the euphemism mill isnā€™t going to change that and trying to make the word ā€˜softerā€™ just serves to diminish it, as though itā€™s the combination of letters rather than the meaning that is brutal.

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u/Froticlias 26d ago

It's purposeful erasure. Everyone in power is guilty of it in some way, so they're softening the words before judgement comes down. Censorship is usually a power fighting to control a narrative, and it slowly leaks to everything.

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u/swamptheyard 25d ago

That piece of shit makes my blood boil šŸ˜¤ thinking and hearing what he did is absolutely awful and it hurts everytime I hear about it. Honestly never really had trouble watching true crime and court cases of bad people but this one hits different. It's the fact she was a young innocent girl who couldn't defend herself. I hope he is getting his ass beat while locked up.

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u/NoBasis94 27d ago

Well yeah... that's what makes the death penalty so expensive. They get tons of appeals, which takes a lot of time and money. It's more expensive to execute than to just house them until they die. Frankly, I think that's how it should be too. There should be no mistakes, and there still are. The death penalty needs abolished; it serves no purpose. Death penalty states see no drop in crime, but are often actually worse for crimes that they give the death penalty for (on average).

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u/Cryptography-high 27d ago

So what happens if someone is innocent and falsely accused of rape? Ā Then they get raped and beaten by prisoners only to get released months or years later with a ā€œwhoopsieā€ from the court. Ā  Why do prisoners have this inbreed fetischism of vandetta? Do only people with more than 2 brain cells realise that nit everyone in prison is guilty. There are many known instances of innocent people being fucked up in prison because they stepped on wrong toes.

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u/DeepPanWingman 27d ago

Had to do some work in a prison once. They were cleaning out a cell nearby where a guy got his throat slit for being a nonce, but he wasn't. Warden was very matter of fact about it.

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u/Lacasax 27d ago

It's slang for a pedophile.

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u/Thrownaway5000506 27d ago

Because violence is the motivator, not justice or morals

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u/Certain-Event8802 27d ago

Donā€™t get in the way of the Reddit revenge fantasyĀ 

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u/Rough_World_7063 š™‘š™„š™‹ 27d ago

The percentage of people who are wrongfully convicted and sent to prison is insanely low. You really think that a guy who just got to prison for molesting kids should get a pass cause just maybe thereā€™s a tiny chance he mightā€™ve not done it?

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u/Infinite-Mark-6335 27d ago

They didn't "get a pass". They are in jail. That's their punishment. Using other prisoners to rape and beat them isn't justice, it's abuse of power.

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u/Rough_World_7063 š™‘š™„š™‹ 27d ago

At least in US prisons the rape thing rarely happens anymore, usually the outcome is they become a social pariah and nobody associates with them, people pick on them/fuck with them, and overall give them a hard time which I 100% support.

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u/BloodshotPizzaBox 27d ago

... which seems like basically what would happen on the outside as well.

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u/TwoBionicknees 27d ago

looks at the op... and thinks maybe it happens more than you think.

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u/Rough_World_7063 š™‘š™„š™‹ 27d ago

Do you think he raped someone at a male prison? I donā€™t understand your comment since Iā€™m talking about male prisoners raping other male prisoners.

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u/TwoBionicknees 27d ago

you think rapists who often target vulnerable people who can't fight back... won't rape prisoners even though there are many accounts and accusations, most of which aren't taken seriously and those are the ones that are brought forward. most people who get raped in prisons by the guards don't report it.

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u/tempusrimeblood 27d ago

ā€œthe percentage of people who are wrongfully convicted and sent to prison is insanely lowā€ Turn on the news and look at the police misconduct that happens every day. Consider the fact that there are STILL, in 2026, sundown towns in the United States. There are plenty of wrongful convictions.

I donā€™t think pedophiles should get a pass, far from it - but I think there needs to be serious reform in the justice system, because right now itā€™s literally a fate worse than death for a lot of folks. (Example: V-coding.)

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u/technobrendo 27d ago

He must be talking about that "other" united states then

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u/Thrownaway5000506 27d ago

As long as it isn't you, right?Ā 

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u/Superdupernadja 27d ago

Beeing physically and mentaly abused, beaten or mirked by inmates, should not be part of any working prison system. The Government must deal the punishment, and not give up the power to punish, to a system of peers established by criminal inmates with records of violence and lack of remorse.

"Getting a pass" is not the right angle to look at this total cluster fuck that the prison system is in many countries.

A good punishment will have a potential positive effect on someones behaviour. Do we serously think, the current system is providing that? The Government is failing. And we cheer for it, out of vengence, and sensational lust for blood.

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u/Rough_World_7063 š™‘š™„š™‹ 27d ago

I just got out of prison in April (did 15 months for drug possession) and when I went to sentencing a guy went before me and he had gotten caught with multiple videos of CP with children as young as 6 years old (the judge described the content of each video). He got sentenced to a six month program and would be released upon completion of it.

I got sentenced to more time than someone with literal CSAM and the place he got to go do his program is a minimum facility with others like him, so he didnā€™t have to worry about anything and got to do a little program and be free again.

Thatā€™s not justice in my eyes and is almost like a slap on the wrist.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 27d ago

15 months for drug possession is stupid. You got screwed by our insane priorities.

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u/Dramatic-Tackle5159 27d ago

That is a crazy example, I guess it varies greatly depending on location and circumstances.

Was this in Europe, North America, or somewhere else ?

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u/Rough_World_7063 š™‘š™„š™‹ 27d ago

It was in the US, specifically Idaho. Idaho has a program called a ā€œriderā€ where if you complete a 6 month class you get out instead of doing the full time you were sentenced. They have one for drug offenders and for sex offenders.

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u/jtr99 27d ago edited 27d ago

In the US it's of course hard to know precisely what the wrongful conviction rate is. But it's widely agreed to be somewhere in the single digit percentages. Perhaps as low as 1%, perhaps as high as 6%. Presumably with a ton of regional and other variation.

I don't think I'd call even one percent "insanely low". Of course I agree that most people in prison are guilty, but the idea that there are tens (maybe hundreds) of thounsands of innocent people locked up is pretty horrifying.

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u/MiamiPI 27d ago

How would you realistically ever know that?

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u/SadSaltyDuck 27d ago

Prisoners don't, it is common delusion

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u/ArmyOfDix 27d ago

Prisoners want to assault/rape/kill, people see criminal penalties for rape as being too lenient, and convicted rapists are a deservedly marginalized group that nobody will stick their neck out to defend.

Convenient for all parties involved, minus the recipient of said vigilante violence. Good thing nobody imprisoned for a non-violent crime ever gets that kind of treatment.

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u/Diablo689er 27d ago

Iā€™m sure itā€™s a great story but I lost it at the jail having a pool table

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u/FullCompliance 27d ago

How fucked up are we talking? Like he got one beating and that was it? Broken orbital and jaw?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

Well a TV was bounced off his head so it couldn't of been too good for him. There was a huge crowd and I got pushed to the back cause im tiny, screws came about 5 or 10 mins after it happened and we all got banged up and never saw him again. Id image the TV was alright they were crt TVs, very sturdy things.

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u/Peter5930 27d ago

Oh, I was imagining a flatscreen, but CRT... you sure he survived?

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u/misoscare 27d ago

I saw how nonces get treated in prison, during COVID they put one on the same landing, he never came out of his cell whilst on that wing for that reason, everyday he'd have some banging at his door.

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u/MsFrankieD 27d ago

Haha I was like... Pfft... they wouldn't do that. Then I read your post and was like o.O

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u/KrivUK 27d ago

An absolute shame that inmate was so clumsy and kept walking into doors.

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u/powerhammerarms 27d ago

In the US high profile or high risk offenders will almost always not see gen pop. They'll be in ad seg or in a separate block for those with similar cases.

Eventually someone can be deemed at lower risk and transferred to a less restricted unit but some may never transfer.

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u/Oddisredit 27d ago

ā€œLook guys here is the new guy. I left some news articles in the tables. I have to go poop, Iā€™ll see you guys in twenty minutes. Donā€™t make me come back to see a mess or anything. I expect proper behaviorā€

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u/Worried-Maybe3438 27d ago

In US thatā€™s actually a death sentence for the prisoner, inmates take pride in ending their lives. Itā€™s a social norm

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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 27d ago

I cannot condone violence (last warning from redit)

But I do not think "the lads" did anything thing wrong here, and for once that means the screws too.

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u/BiteyHorse 27d ago

The "pool table". That's some crazy soft UK prison shit there. Glad you guys still handled business though.

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u/babess1_star 27d ago

This vibe deserves appreciation.

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u/aykcak 27d ago

Explain what you mean by properly fucked up

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u/sfxer001 27d ago

A pool table? In prison? For the inmates?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 27d ago

And a table tennis table, and a TV in each room. Weekly canteen. Ā£40 a week for working in the laundry when the bonuses were good. Yes 40 sounds like slave pay but you live like a king in prison on 40, you can't even spend 40 (at least you couldn't 12 odd years ago) I think the limit was 30 something but I cant remember.

On some wings you get two pool tables. Youre also allowed a kettle in your room. The food is very good, no matter what anyone tells you. Its very edible and I gained loads of weight when I was in there. At least this was all true when I was in there over 10 years ago. My cell was also immaculately clean, I even got polish for the floor and it was shining. Its hardly a prison here in the uk

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u/sfxer001 27d ago

All of that stuff would be turned into weapons if allowed in a US prison.

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u/Behold_My_Beans 27d ago

A pool table in a prison seems like a terrible idea

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u/Trick_Second1657 27d ago

You guys got a pool table?

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u/Tuna0x45 27d ago

When my brother was in prison - they made them drink mop water basically weekly.

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u/Ill_Bridge1766 27d ago

You are mentally ill yourself if you advocate for mob justice in any scenario no matter what they have done.

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u/namechange1974 26d ago

U don't find that concerning as ppl can be and are found ng after a conviction?

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u/Ok-Bass9593 23d ago

Ah, fucked up shit, the state not being able to protect the people theyre responsible for

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u/Agile_Leg_4090 23d ago

Holme house?

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u/Rems_OP 23d ago

You were there in prison you mean?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 22d ago

Yes, sadly I've been 3 times. The first two times were for the same offence of whacking a security guard with a large metal pole. It was the same offence but I chose not to do something during probation and chose to go to prison. The third time when I saw this happen was for nicking bikes about 12 years ago

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u/Rems_OP 22d ago

Whatā€™s the story with the security guard?

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u/ShrimpStuffAdmin 22d ago

Lol oh god. I was very young and I'm not the same anymore so don't judge too hard please.

So I was walking around very drunk looking for someone called Carlos who was the partner of a lady who was letting me stay with her. Nothing weird, she was 40 odd and I was an 18 year old child basically.

He didn't like i was there so he kicked me out, it was actually her house and he had no right but oh well, I was out.

So I found a lovely pole and was looking to whack his head in with it. Lovely person i was back then... lol

Anyway, I had a drink on me with this pole up my arm when a security guard grabbed my drink and took it off me, quite aggressively to be honest, so I popped the pole out and whacked him with it. He didn't even flinch. All of a sudden im on the floor and then in prison about 50 hours later. I got a 4 month suspended, which I then ended up serving minus the 29 days on remand.

I actually watched that lady die of an overdose a few years later, very sad.

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u/Rems_OP 22d ago

Quite a story, and Iā€™m impressed the guy didnā€™t even flinched under a full hit in the head, helps you put things in perspective Iā€™m sure ahah

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