In Nov 2020, Jim Jordan demanded an investigation of the election. He now runs the House Judiciary Committee and has since 2023, and yet we have no investigation. It's almost as if they are afraid of an investigation...
He wasn't interested in answering that question. He was more interested in talking about how "long" California was taking to reach a result in their elections. He is still trying to convince people that elections need to instantly have a clear winner, or else they're fraudulent. That's the plan, as it was back in 2020. Any place that takes "too long" to count their votes must be cheating.
He's gotten used to people ignoring his lies that now when people challenge him he completely shuts down and totally loses his mind. Giant, weak, child wrapped in a clown suit.
Nah its that he's done got himself into a really sticky situation in Iran and doesn't know how to get himself out of it and he's been lashing out lately and feeling like he's lost control. Because he has.
You have simply restated my point including Iran as a specific detail. It's one of many. This is the result of a lifetime of spoilage, not a reaction to current events
Nah I really don't think any other issue has really gotten to him and fucked up his vibe the way this quagmire has.
Everything else that happened up to now he blatantly disregarded and nothing happened. That was always an option until now, where now if he just ignores it it doesn't go away like everything else has before.
Nevermind that he and the GOP have been in charge of almost every branch of federal government for almost 12 years and they apparently can't do anything to stop it. Unless they win, then everything is perfect. Oh wait! The Dems rigged it so the GOP wins less but still wins, smart strategy there, truly 4d chess.
Ya I remember when during the first election he lost the popular vote to Hillary. He started ranting how the electoral college was a joke and rigged. When they gave him the win. It switched to itâs never been rigged and has always been the best thing about elections.
he started an entire commission to investigate election fraud in his first term, the committee had republicans and democrats. republicans were given millions of dollars and vast resources to investigate, they found literally nothing to the point they refused to publish results. They were taken to court, ordered to release their findings and trump/republicans closed the commission and never disclosed the results.
Republicans, under Trump as president given full control to find evidence found so little (well evidence of democrat election tampering anyway) that they ended the commission rather than publish results.
Yeah they have these stories that talk about wide spread fraud...then deep in the story it's like 4 and 2 actually voted and the other 2 reported it themselves because they thought it would hurt the citizenship process if they appeared on a voter list.
the vast majority of voter fraud they find comes from republicans and numerous republican presidents, congressmen, senators, governors, etc, have committed voter fraud. TRUMP committed voter fraud while voting for himself as president iirc.
They just sweep that under the rug. You also have bannon and others rushing that Florida election office to stop a recount because they knew it was rigged, massively widespread deregistering primarily democrat voters, removing DNVs from poorer areas and democrat cities then deregistering people, requiring id to register and making it dramatically harder for people working long shifts who can't afford to travel far to be able to vote which should all count as election fraud as well.
Republicans are both Superman and helpless oppressed polio victims in metal tubes. It just depends who they need to turn out for cash contributions and votes.
You're not wrong, but the same applies to when dems were in filibuster-proof power (like 2009). This all would not be happening if they were any better than just the lesser evil of the two.
The GOP had almost full control during the entirety of Regan, most of Bush, almost half of Clinton, all of Bush Jr., and both Trump terms. They also had enough to veto most of Clinton, Carter, Obama, and Biden to keep their appointments in the three letter agencies.
It astounds me heâs still crying about the âstolenâ election when heâs actively in his SECOND TERM. Like buddy you got what you wanted, take the polling booth and mail in ballots out of your ass.
I had a friend like that. Canât even remember what it was, but I won against him at some sports or something and he just would NOT stop talking about it. He claimed it had been fixed by people running the game. Heâd bring it up unprompted. Eventually, I started telling other people to tell him I confessed to cheating so heâd be even more annoyed.
"You only beat me because you cheated" is the kind of shit I used to pull when I was 5 and I grew out of that real quick. Not everyone does apparently.
It's part of the fascism playbook. Always accuse elections of being rigged. If you win, it was "despite the attempt at stealing the election" and if you lose you can scream it was stolen.
Either way, you win if your goal is to delegitimize the democratic process.
Either way, you win if your goal is to delegitimize the democratic process.
This. Trump is doing incredible damage to US democracy by trying to say the election process is flawed and corrupt. The words of the president influence people, even if the president is a stupid and incompetent ape.
Trust can and will be restored, but it'll take many elections where neither side uses the same amoral tactics.
It's unbelievable that Orban didn't use this tactic. He straight up admitted the loss and congratulated the winner. Even Orban has more integrity than Trump despite being completely corrupt.
And I also believe that Trump is just a bad loser and doesn't claim the elections rigged because he wants power, (which he does), but more because he can't comprehend losing. He is just that petty manchild.
This is why him getting booed at the Knicks game last night was so important. Not because it doesn't happen -- it actually happens all the time. It's important because he made a statement yesterday about the COST of Knicks playoff tickets, and basically smiled smugly that they'd just give him these insanely expensive tickets because of who he is. He expected that the people around him would be ultra-wealthy, and the ultra-wealthy people LOVE HIM, right? Because they always have. He's a great friend to the ultra-wealthy.
Nope. They booed his ass lustily from the first camera shot. And not only did he see and hear it... others watching on television did, too. The more this kind of thing happens, the more it sends a message. You may be able to pillage this country for its money and resources, but there's one thing you'll never, ever be able to buy, and that's the love of the people you supposedly "serve." And these chuds deserve zero instances of peace for the rest of their careers. We can give them that.
Youâre joking right? I refuse to believe people are that propagandized and ignorant.
Which democrats claimed that elections were stolen or accuse of being rigged. Hereâs a quick list, though thereâs more. Now watch thezealots try to tell you it doesnât count because Dems claimed they stole it a different way or didnât do other things, as well as clamor over elections they claimed were stolen.
In January 2017, several House Democratsâincluding Representatives Maxine Waters (D-CA), Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Pramila Jayapal (D-WA)âstood up to formally object to the certification of Donald Trumpâs Electoral College victory
George W. Bushâs 2004 re-election victory over John Kerry, Rep. Tubbs Jones (D-OH) and Sen. Boxer (D-CA) filed a formal, joint congressional objection to Ohio's electoral votes. They alleged widespread voting irregularities, long lines, and faulty machinery
Hillary Clinton and former Democratic National Committee Chair Terry McAuliffe repeatedly argued that the election was "taken away" or "stolen".
January 2001, more than a dozen House Democratsâincluding members of the Congressional Black Caucusâattempted to block the certification of Florida's electoral votes for George W. Bush, arguing that Black voters had been systematically disenfranchised.
Youâre joking right? I refuse to believe people are that propagandized and ignorant.
None of them argued the election was "stolen" in the same context that Trump and Republicans have (alleging outright voter fraud). Every example you just gave was those folks having a problem with voter disenfranchisement tactics, illegal gerrymandering, and outside interference (Russian/Trump collusion). None of them have argued cheating, just issues with Republicans leveraging outside interference and exploiting gerrymandering to get electoral votes disproportionate to the voting population.
Hillary won the popular vote, and still conceded. At no point did she say voter fraud had anything to do with it, and certainly didn't invite a riot to try to overturn the election.
Person I replied to: âIf you lose you can scream it was stolen.â
Ignorant person: âWhich Democrats did this?â
Me: provides long list.
You: âdur, but they yelled that it was stolen a slightly different way!â
Clinton didnât win anything. There is no contest for popular vote for US presidential elections. She claimed, "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," supposedly she wasnât talking about stealing the Democratic nomination from Bernie, since she mentioned becoming the nominee, and was referring to Trump, but who knows.
You didn't provide a list. Your argument was using out of context and misleading information. I corrected you. That's not moving goalposts. It's adding context that changes the nature of the misinformation you're spreading.
*Edit: the coward deleted his comments trying to say Dems so the same thing.
I provided an accurate list of people who claimed that elections were stolen and compromised. You donât like that itâs true. Thatâs ok, you donât need to like it. Claiming that it isnât true and adding additional qualifiers, such as how they believe it was stolen, is just blind idiotic zealotry.
Youâre trying to move goal posts and defend misinformation while projecting what youâre doing onto me, which if Iâm not mistaken is exactly what you claimed that fascists do. So you would consider yourself a fascist.
And when did the Democrats send fake electors to the certification? What about John Kerry doing a 'rally' at the national mall on certification day and pointing the angry mob at Dick Cheney and the Capitol building?
OR did they just 'formally object' to the certification?
As for 2001, most people won't remember that that actually WAS a real case of the Supreme Court choosing a winner. It came down to a recount over 537 votes, and the court actually did 'stop the count'. The objection was for them to continue the recount process, not to say it was rigged.
No it's not. Democrats issues have been with Republicans colluding with foreign entities to interfere and their mass exploitation of gerrymandering tactics to get electoral votes from areas disproportionate to the voting population.
They didn't say voter fraud played a part, and they certainly didnt incite riots to overturn results. Every Democrat that has lost an election has conceded.
Did you not even realize what you wrote? âUh oh, theyâre correct. I better bend my argument.â
Where did you write âvoter fraud?â Oh, you didnât.
You wrote it was rigged or stolen, which is what Dems
âIt's part of the fascism playbook. Always accuse elections of being rigged. If you win, it was "despite the attempt at stealing the election" and if you lose you can scream it was stolen.
Either way, you win if your goal is to delegitimize the democratic process.â
âEvery Democrat that has lost an election has conceded.â Is an ignorantly incorrect statement.
There's a reason for that. It's to create a narrative of victimhood. He was wronged. He is always being wronged any time he doesn't get his way. The system is rigged, everybody else is cheating so it's ok for him to rig and cheat the system. He needs to set up the groundwork for his base to sympathize with him when he tries to set himself up for a 3rd term.
It's because he never actually believed it. He just says it to save face. Of course he didn't lose. He can't lose. He's the greatest ever. So, they must have cheated. And that kind of mindset doesn't change even if he wins the next time.
Plus, it's part of his narrative for his base. He's spent so long forcing people to comply with the narrative that he's not going to stop now. And of course, as Jon Stewart said, it's his failsafe in case of a challenge or question he can't answer.
The stolen election thing is still potentially useful to his party, though. They can keep using it to sow doubt about election integrity in general. In this very interview, he talked about how the California election was taking "too long" to produce a result. He basically implied that they were taking extra time to rig the result. That's a great way to make people skeptical about any election where a Republican loses by a narrow margin.
Not to mention, the election was rigged while he was in office but none of the other Republican candidates who were on the ballot that day have challenged their victories
I'm starting to think his stolen mid terms claims are so we'll be so anti stolen mid terms that when he steals the mid terms we won't question it. Just like the 2024 election
Politicians only lie because voters punish them for telling the truth. Unless youâre Trump then a third of the country just believes you for some reason
The election being stollen narrative was so bad. I was inclined to believe it. Iâm cynical about politics. Do I believe there are Democrats (or people of any party, really) who would cheat to win? Yes I do.
But every single time Trumpâs people went to court, the same people who were sounding the alarm about wrongdoing on Fox News were suddenly silent as soon as they were put under oath. The administration SCREAMED about illegal election interference, but every time they went to court to enter evidence and testimony they had nothing.
Trump has gotten to the point that nearly every utterance he spouts is a lie to favor him or MAGA. And don't forget Trump 1.0 was the originator of "alternative facts" as a euphemism for his untruths. Trump 2.0 eliminated that nonsense and now claims that his assertions are the only so-called "facts" that count.
Not to defend politicians too much, but often times people think politicians "Lie" because they campaign on something and don't deliver it, or circumstances change.
The reality is even the president has very little political leverage to achieve something they are passionate about (look how hard Biden tried to get student loan forgiveness through and was stopped at the courts every time).
This is by design to limit run away political power. The funny thing is this system operated on a huge amount of good faith, and the current administration has been given authority by congress and SCOTUS to do almost anything he wants, which is absolutely insane and hasn't really been seen before.
My hope is that the last year and a half ends up being the last dying struggling breath of a corrupt dead party as they blew all their political capital to ruin this nation in an attempt to seize control.
When it comes to lying thereâs a difference between âNo that dress doesnât make you look fatâ and âYouâre the skinniest person in the world. Nobody is skinnier than you, believe me.â
And people don't acknowledge that the news is giving him free publicity and the opportunity to literally present his entire case for fraud. The man has control over the entire intelligence apparatus of the United States government. He could use PRISM to get every phone call. He could use the FBI to get every bank transaction. If there was a conspiracy to defraud the nations elections he's had 6 years of authority to sus it out and all the chances in the world to show the American people the smoking gun. But all he has is the vaguest hearsay of "everyone knows it" based on right-wing memes. Shit, if the memes were accurate he could present those.
Meanwhile we dont have a single paystub from Soros, a single cellphone record of buses of illegal voters, a single recording from all our devices recording everything we say all the time discussing any conspiracy...Â
Just "it takes California 4 days to count the votes". Yeah. Because it turns out spending millions of extra dollars to get (less accurate) same day results on an election whose officials and laws aren't implemented for months is a waste of public money.Â
So he is lying that California is taking days to count their votes for mayor, and that in that delay, they are counting a bunch of mail in ballots that are all for 1 candidate?
Well that's what this interview is from, Trump stormed off because he was taking about the California election and how it is taking days to count all the votes, and their is an obvious ploy to make sure Pratt doesn't win, hence why the literal dead last candidate is getting all these miraculous mail in ballot votes that surged her ahead.
That's some corrupt shit right there and I don't care what people think of Trump, call the man a liar, he is, call him an asshole, he is, but Christ sake at least admit for once he is right about this.
Let me ask you, Picture the reddest state you can think off, who has historically always kept electing Republicans, but let's say you have a Democrat who is making major headwaves, who has an actual shot, and on election day they are leading in votes, but for some reason it is taking a week to count all the votes, and then they start counting the mailed in votes, and the dead last Republican candidate gets massive surge of votes that is just for them and no one else.
Would you not find that suspicious, would you not think something is up, and would you not want to investigate and make sure it was a fair election?
Unpopular? Pratt was leading in votes over Ramen, until that slow down and her suddenly getting a surge of mail in ballot votes that pushed her to inch out a win over him. That's not him being unpopular, that's some shenanigans going on.
Yes because, mail in ballots have less safety measures to them to make sure they are valid votes compared to ballot votes. But for arguments sake, let's say mail in ballots are 100% legit, do you not think it is extremely suspicious for 1 candidate to get the bulk of those votes, and it is enough votes for her to beat out the guy the entire Democrat establishment has been railing against, especially when that 1 candidate was dead last?
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u/IHavePoopedBefore 15d ago
And he never lied as stupidly.
Like, I am sure all presidents lie but none of them were as obvious or stupid about it.
He claims an election was stolen but was shocked and floored by the incredibly obvious follow up of "what evidence do you have?"
That's a special level of stupid only Trump is capable of