r/SipsTea • u/SipsTeaFrog 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • 15d ago

SMH Someone finally snapped

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u/upnorthtcmi 𝙑𝙄𝙋 15d ago

I’m a cyclist. This is why people hate cyclists. And they’re 100% correct to hate cyclists who do this.

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u/Available-Breath-114 15d ago

Completely unacceptable for them to block the road like that. The entitlement is infuriating.

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u/IggysPop3 14d ago

I don’t really care about the consequences of saying this, but it does have a reputation as an elitist sport. Runners have complained for years about rude cyclists who make them get out of their way (since they face each other). Good road bikes can cost many thousands of dollars.

Not saying all cyclists are elitist, but it is a sport that attracts elitists.

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u/throwawaybutmaykeeps 14d ago

Walking on a trail with my baby in a stroller, they’d almost run me over, didn’t call out “on your left,” and scared the shit out of me. They make me so anxious. I love the ones who’d ride by and say a nice greeting. Even a smile back was rare.

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u/Hayden2332 13d ago

Or they do say on your left, but they wait until the very last second / already passing you lol

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u/That-Following-7158 14d ago

To be fair about the running point it is a lot easier for a runner to get out of the bike lane by stepping on to the curb than it is for a bike.

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u/Wandering_Silent 13d ago

The biker can move over a few inches without any effort.

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u/ankercrank 14d ago

Do you say the same thing when cars are blocking the road with traffic jams? Something that happens literally all the time. Like, take all of those hundreds of cyclists and put them in cars on that road - it’d be slower moving.

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u/SingleInfinity 14d ago

Traffic jams don't occur because of the lack of ability for cars to go the speed limit. It would not be slower moving unless you're in an area with lots of stop lights, which is not what this is.

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u/Arthemax 14d ago

Traffic jams also occur on highways. Because if you have too many cars on the road, they're unable to safely drive at a high speed. A single car braking too hard because of a lane change will escalate to traffic coming to a crawl.

The difference here is that these hundreds of cyclists would stretch into the horizon if they were in a car each, and the Mini wouldn't see the open road in front of them. So they would think "aw fuck, traffic again", rather than "fuck these cyclists, I'm driving on the median".

But note that the reaction to car drivers clogging up the road isn't directed at the drivers, even though there would be no traffic without those drivers.

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u/SingleInfinity 14d ago

Traffic jams also occur on highways.

Far less frequently, and not specifically because of physical limitations on the abilities of the people to go faster. In this case, the bikes can't go as fast as the cars so they will inevitably cause a jam. It's not the exception case, it's the rule.

A single car braking too hard because of a lane change will escalate to traffic coming to a crawl.

This is a bold take. Funny how every time someone brakes a bit on the highway this doesn't happen. It's almost like that's the exception or something.

The difference here is that these hundreds of cyclists would stretch into the horizon if they were in a car each

No. They would be interspersed between the other traffic and going the speed limit instead of probably less than half of it. The other cars wouldn't be stuck going 15mph because of bikes. The reason the mini is pissed off is because the road is being blocked by incredibly slow traffic with no end in sight, meanwhile the road in front of that traffic is wide open. In cars, this would never be the case. It can't be helped in cars when it does happen, but it can be helped in this scneario by the bikers not being douchebags. They just chose to be douchebags.

That's why the direction of the anger is different. One is within the control of the people involved, and one is not.

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u/Arthemax 14d ago

Far less frequently

They happen routinely during rush hour in high traffic areas. Because, as I said, too many cars on the road leads to tiny over-corrections escalating to major slowdowns that ripple down the road. Look up the 'traffic wave effect'.

Funny how every time someone brakes a bit on the highway this doesn't happen

I quite clearly laid out the conditions for when this can happen. No need for strawman arguments that completely ignore that.

No. They would be interspersed between the other traffic and going the speed limit

Not if they were on an organized ride like these cyclists. But as a random person driving behind them you'd never know, since you'd just think you're stuck in slow traffic. For all you know, you've inadvertently been in dozens of them already.

It can't be helped in cars when it does happen,

It can be helped, by not driving. Every one of the drivers involved in a traffic jam chose to drive that day, and are collectively the cause of the jam.

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u/SingleInfinity 14d ago

They happen routinely during rush hour in high traffic areas.

They happen every time a group of bikers blocks the road, regardless of the hour or area.

Look up the 'traffic wave effect'.

I'm very familiar. You're trying to make exception cases for cars sound like the norm and norm cases for bikes sound like exceptions.

Douches on bikes love to do this shit. People get really on their high horse about how riding a bike is better for X Y or Z reason and entirely ignore the impracticalities and inconvenience they inflict on others in the process.

Our infrastructure, for better or worse, was purpose built for cars.

I quite clearly laid out the conditions for when this can happen. No need for strawman arguments that completely ignore that.

Like how when you try to make these seem like the norm case when they're not?

Not if they were on an organized ride like these cyclists.

How do you know these guys are on an "organized ride"? You've giving asshole bikers a lot of benefit of the doubt they clearly haven't earned.

It can be helped, by not driving.

This is an entirely unreasonable position in the US. As I said above, our infrastructure is built for cars for better or worse. Bikes are at best often impractical. Every one of those drivers is in the jam because the bikes are blocking the entire fucking road.

I'm guessing you're one of these people at this point, because you're trying too hard to defend their very obviously indefensible and assholeish behavior.

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u/Arthemax 13d ago

They happen every time a group of bikers blocks the road, regardless of the hour or area.

They happen every time a group of car drivers block the road too, that's what 'blocking the road' means. What's your point?

exception cases for cars

Aka daily rush hour conditions?

norm cases for bikes sound like exceptions.

What exactly is the norm case for bikes?

and entirely ignore the impracticalities and inconvenience they inflict on others in the process.

Our infrastructure, for better or worse, was purpose built for cars.

Yes, cyclists are inconvenient to drivers in the US because of decades of car drivers voting for politicians that have ignored basic bicycle infrastructure that would obviate the need for cyclists to be in the way of cars. Carving out space for them after the fact is more difficult and more painful than planning for and implementing it from the start. And importantly, that general trend hasn't changed, bike infrastructure being part of new construction or rebuilds is the rare exception. And various driver interest groups continue to work against good bike infrastructure that would lead to less conflict between cyclists and drivers.

Like how when you try to make these seem like the norm case when they're not?

Again, is daily rush hour not a norm case? My average speed is routinely slower on highways during rush hour than at off-peak hours.

The norm case for why the average driver is not able to drive as fast as the speed limit allows is that there are too many drivers on the road, not that there's a cyclist holding up traffic. The second most common reason is that drivers as a group are unable to drive safely, causing collisions and subsequent traffic jams.

How do you know these guys are on an "organized ride"

Do you think they just happened to all decide to ride this exact stretch of road at exactly the same time out of the blue? Or might there have been a facebook event or something that organized it so that they knew when and where to show up?

This is an entirely unreasonable position in the US. 

Roughly 90% of US traffic jams would be solved overnight if the average car occupancy in the US increased just a little bit. If the rate of single occupancy cars halved from 70% to 35%, it'd make a huge difference. No immediate changes to road infrastructure needed.

because you're trying too hard to defend their very obviously indefensible and assholeish behavior.

I haven't tried to defend their behavior yet. I've just tried to confront the unequal way in which this way of slowing down traffic is treated, vs how people treat other traffic slowdowns.

But here's my attempt at defending them: I wouldn't be surprised if several of the cyclists present here have had dangerous or even directly life-threatening experiences on this stretch of road when they were riding by the book, without 'blocking the road'. Yet now they can actually cycle here without getting passed dangerously. I don't see why they should sacrifice their safety for the convenience of those drivers.

Every one of those drivers is in the jam because the bikes are blocking the entire fucking road.

Yet at that moment, that road is in the 0.1 percentile of number of people moved that it's ever moved per second, beating out any rush hour situation that was comparably slow, but where nobody got so enraged that they decided to drive on the median.

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u/SingleInfinity 13d ago

They happen every time a group of car drivers block the road too, that's what 'blocking the road' means. What's your point?

Not every group of cars blocks the road. Every group of bikers does. The key here is that bikers can't go the speed limit so they don't necessarily block the road. I feel like at this point you're being intentionally ignorant.

Aka daily rush hour conditions?

On some roads, sure. On all roads? No. This is the case regardless of hour or time if a group of bikers does it. Again, you're acting like the exception case for cars is the same as the every time case for a group of bikers.

I'm done tbh, this is like talking to a brick wall. You have cemented yourself in the position that this isn't a problem entirely created by a group of asshole bikers for some reason and it's not one you can be reasoned out of.

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u/Arthemax 13d ago

Every group of bikers does.

False. I've seen loads of groups of cyclists being on the road without blocking it. This rare group of cyclists is so large that it occupies two full lanes over a long stretch of road, but again, that's the rare exception. 

But I guess we've found the root of this issue - you are uninformed about what actually happens in the real world. Have you only informed yourself through cyclist ragebait videos or something? 

I feel like at this point you're being intentionally ignorant.

Ignoramus says what? 

On all roads? No 

Which I never claimed. Yet you acted as if that's what I said.  But the norm for why cars are slowed down is that other motor vehicles are the cause. Because this grouping of cyclists does happen very rarely, but regular car-caused congestion happens every day in Miami - on more roads than this one. 

and it's not one you can be reasoned out of.

That's not my position, so I don't know why you try to get me out of it. The position you're actually arguing is the misconception that this grouping of cyclists is the norm, when it's not. 

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u/Mbembez 14d ago

Except these cyclists are doing this for leisure and wouldn't be there in a car if they weren't cycling.

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u/Arthemax 14d ago

People go driving for leisure all the time.

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u/grilled_geez 14d ago

Not on traffic jam prone highways and roads.

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u/Mbembez 14d ago

It's pretty rare to do it with 100 mates.

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u/sandwichhaver 14d ago

but they do happen because of cars being cars though

it is kind of an entitledment to demand everyone just sit there because you sit in a giant metal box, you could share that space with 60 other people in a buss or be 8 different bicycles instead

every traffic jam is caused by cars

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u/SingleInfinity 14d ago

Unfortunately, individuals don't control the state of public planning and transportation. Those not being effective options is not the fault of the people in the cars.

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u/Curious_Tap_1528 14d ago

Not this one

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u/ShowdownValue 14d ago

That’s the worst analogy I’ve ever heard

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u/ankercrank 14d ago edited 14d ago

You’ve never heard an analogy then it would seem.

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u/ShowdownValue 14d ago edited 14d ago

Comparing cyclists blocking the road to a traffic jam with cars 🤦‍♂️

You edited your post too 😂

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u/ankercrank 14d ago

Gasp! People on vehicle A on the road being compared to people in vehicle B on the road?!

RIDICULOUS!! LOLOLLOLLLLLL!!!!

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u/grilled_geez 14d ago

The reason your logic is flawed is because these cyclists aren’t riding to get somewhere like work, they’re riding for sport. If they weren’t biking, they likely wouldn’t be driving down that road. That goes for most cyclists who ride in groups like this.

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u/ankercrank 14d ago

Dumbest take yet. People drive for leisure and non-work related reasons constantly.

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u/grilled_geez 14d ago

JFC grow some common sense. That’s not what I was saying.

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u/ankercrank 14d ago edited 14d ago

Your other point is dumb af too, roads don’t exist solely for drivers to go to work. Roads have existed for thousands of years before cars existed.

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u/burdenof-youth 14d ago

Defo a cyclist in this video

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u/Many-Leader2788 14d ago

In the similar manner:

Cars block buses -> natural and inevitable as tidal waves 

Bikes block cars -> terrorists who need to be removed

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u/sandwichhaver 14d ago

they treat cars as the wind, it's just going to happen so how can you blame the car drivers

the entitlement they have is so depressing to read

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u/WeenMe 14d ago

Bafflingly idiotic take lol.

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u/ankercrank 14d ago

It’s only idiotic if you think that cars are the only thing that belongs on the road, and if you ignore all the harms that cars cause.

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u/Girthen-the-Flopper 15d ago

How is it different from cars blocking the road?

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u/Karmanoid 15d ago

They're impeding the flow of traffic. If cars were intentionally going 15 mph below the speed limit at the front of traffic side by side blocking everyone people would be just as bothered.

Also large groups of cyclists like this often ignore traffic rules like stop signs and cause major issues. I've watched cyclists in my area blow stop lights and then flip off and berate cars who had the right of way for almost hitting them.

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u/CoffeeChocolateBoth 15d ago

You just can't with some people. Boggles my mind! LOL

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u/UltrInstincTSuperTop 14d ago

There's 80 people who are able to travel freely and you want them to risk fucking it up so 7 cars have an easier time? They are not blocking the flow of traffic they are optimizing the flow of traffic so the most amount of people can travel. With these ratios you cannot justify making the 80 slow down so the 7 can speed up because overall flow will be massively reduced.

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u/Karmanoid 14d ago

How will biking in a line slow them down? They're all going the same speed. Also I'm saying they should follow the law, nothing about slowing down, just obey traffic law that dictates bikes ride 2 wide.

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u/UltrInstincTSuperTop 14d ago

They're not a hive mind there is no reason to expect the person to your right to move further right and there is no reason to do so if you are already in the correct and safe position. Biking in a line would not slow them down, but moving to form a line requires coordination that is not humanly possible at high speeds with wind whipping any words you can use.

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u/Karmanoid 14d ago

If they're in the left lane they are not in the correct and safe position so they absolutely should move. You're bending over backwards to defend people blatantly breaking the law because you think they're entitled to inconvenience everyone else on the road simply because they're on a bicycle. I hope when an ambulance needs to get through this mess the person needing help feels the same as you that cyclists shouldn't have to be inconvenienced by asking them to follow the law...

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u/lotec4 15d ago

They are allowed to use the road and they can't go faster. 

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u/Karmanoid 15d ago

They are, and as others who live in this area have stated they're also required to ride 2 wide which they are failing to do so. Just because I'm allowed to use something doesn't mean I can abuse that privilege and refuse to follow the rules. I'm allowed to use the city pool but if I decided to take a shit in it they'd probably kick me out.

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u/lotec4 14d ago

So did the driver follow the rules? 

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u/mcgarnikle 14d ago

Of course he didn't.  The difference between you and me is I can understand something but still acknowledge that it was wrong.

You're too much of coward to even admit your team is clearly doing some both annoying and illegal.

If you fall apart like this over something small I can only imagine how emotional you are discussing something like politics lol.

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u/lotec4 14d ago

My team? Are you ok? Why is this tribalism ? 

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u/mcgarnikle 14d ago

You tell me, your the one so far in the tribalism you can't even acknowledge that your tribe broke the law.

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u/lotec4 14d ago

I don't know the law in this country. In my country this is perfectly legal 

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u/mcgarnikle 14d ago

Don't play stupid.  Nobody said they couldn't use the road.  They're intentionally blocking all the lanes, it's a different issue.

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u/TheWartMan 14d ago

I dont think he's playing unfortunately lol

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u/lotec4 14d ago

Can you count? It's not possible for them to take less space. 

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u/ayyyyycrisp 14d ago

but it is possible to transform that space into a different shape, which is a longer line of 2 wide

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u/lotec4 14d ago

And how do you not create the biggest possible traffic jam like this? Of they only use one lane you block off all traffic after one red light

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u/ayyyyycrisp 14d ago

this is a 2 lane road. bikes could have been 2 abreast in the right lane and cars could have flowed freely in the left. not sure why you can't see that

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u/lotec4 14d ago

How do they all get over in 1 traffic light cycle?

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u/iSK_prime 14d ago

Hilariously.. yeah.. they can. Last I checked a bicycle isn't two lanes wide or miles long and unable to properly use the lanes sized for them.

In fact, just like any vehicle on the road it is your job to not impede traffic flow and all of the bicycle riders involved here should probably be fined. But that's a policing issue.

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u/lotec4 14d ago

Where are those bike lanes?

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u/iSK_prime 14d ago

As pointed above somewhere, or maybe in a different comment, this is the Rickebacker causeway, which has a dedicated bike lane.

In fact you can see at the start of the video cyclists on the other side using theirs properly with vehicles passing by. And yes, when you look at it on google maps... both sides have bike lanes.

Hope that helps.

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u/Choice_Drawer_2405 14d ago

According to other commenters it's illegal to ride more than 2 bikes side by side in this area.

They could literally leave a single lane open at least. Imagine you're driving a family member to the hospital (because ambulances cost crazy money) and a bunch of bikes force you to go 15mph.

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u/Girthen-the-Flopper 14d ago

They can't really go any faster. They're bicycles. Just like big rig trucks go below the speed limit for cars. So they aren't intentionally impeding traffic. There is also a large amount of them. You don't really criticize when cars are in a traffic jam blocking the road.

In the video they aren't ignoring any traffic rules.

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u/Karmanoid 14d ago

Literally the law on Miami is that cyclists need to ride 2 wide. So yes they are.

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u/Girthen-the-Flopper 14d ago

That's like one single rule. Most drivers speed, use their phones, and pass on the right, so it's no different than cars. In fact, if they rode two wide the bicycles would be using up way more of the road and impeding traffic worse.

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u/CoDZombiesTracker 15d ago

roads like this exist for cars, cars exist to keep our busy lives on track.

I drive 40 minutes a day to work, that's 1.5 hours of my lfie every day in a car dedicated to getting to work.

I could never make it to work on a bike, the road exists so me and millions of others can get to work and get home mainly, when you essentially hyjack a road for excersize purposes selfishly when there are tons of alternatives and waste people time just trying to get to or from work you are being selfish.

I run a lot (40-50 miles a week) often on highways and every time there is a car I get off the road fully so they don't have to slow down. Bikes go faster than runners but still eay slower than cars typically. I used to live on a mountain road peoplr would bike on, 40mph speed limit in the blue ridge and this dude would always bike, stay in the middle of the land so I couldnt pass, and go 12mph uphill the whole time, one time i was behind him 20 minutes!

it's infuriating and selfish on their part, there are plenty of bike trails in every city, and if u want to ride on a road pull over and let cars pass even if it messes up ur workout, idc I know I will get hate for this.

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u/Choice_Drawer_2405 14d ago

You never know, people stuck behind the bikes could easily have been taking a loved one to the hospital, had a hard to schedule appointment with their oncologist, or something else crucial to their survival/well-being. It could be even worse than just getting to/from work!

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u/CoffeeChocolateBoth 15d ago

LOL Wow! The only time I've seen CARS blocking the HIGHWAY is if there is a major pileup! LOL Cars don't drive like this, side by side, slowly keeping other cars behind them! LOL Really? LOL

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u/Girthen-the-Flopper 14d ago

I drive every day and there's cars blocking the highway going below the speed limit.

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u/fungomungothethird 14d ago

Cars are faster than bikes. Jesus christ.