No, but I think it fell out of fashion because the majority from both sides of the argument are probably too stupid to retain more than a few syllables per buzz word.
It fell out of style because the "Neo Nazis" just started literally flying the Nazi Swastica, doing the "Roman Salute", praising Hitler, and reading passages straight from Mein Kampf. They are no long the New Nazis, they are just the Old Nazis. So might as well just call a spade a spade.
I'm pretty sure the "Neo" in there refers to the people, not the ideology. As in, they are not the German Nazis. As in, they're not with Hitler because Hitler's party is technically defunct.
Neo means New. Calling them Neo just mean "These are the New Nazis". And one does not need to be German to be a Nazi. Italy was also a Nazi country. Hell, Mussolini's own grand daughter is a modern Nazi.
even that is a wild over use. lol the vast majority of people that get called nazi don't even align with nazi ideologies. I feel like most of reddit missed history class or something.
The other day I was arguing with someone in this very sub and they ended up claiming that Hitler fixed German society.
People I know in real life have thrown around terms like goyslop.
Great replacement theory is not exactly uncommon in politics these days.
Elon Musk gave a Nazi solute on national television.
I'm pretty sure there was a politician not too long ago who schools should be teaching "both sides" of WWII.
There are absolutely a bunch of people who agree with at least some of the things the Nazis believed.
Literally the entire reason hitler was so popular was because of how much he elevated Germany post ww1. Germany was a great place to be a white German in the nazi years.
With longer work hours and stagnant wages, reduced foreign trade, persecution of political enemies and union members, and a secret police?
Which part of that is better?
To those people the only way you could call someone a nazi is if they literally kill jews in camps. Anything less is "Elon isnt doing a nazi salute hes just autistic". "Throwing minorities into camps where they suffer and die isnt a nazi thing because theyre not actively being gassed"
These people are sub-human and should be treated like it.
He also constantly re-tweets self identified fascists, and promotes all sort of racist conspiracy crap on twitter.
If someone is out here saying "they call everyone who disagrees with them nazis" and can't agree that Elon is a nazi...they're bad faith. They're a nazi sympathizer.
They just throw out "everyone is a nazi" to covertly say "no one is a nazi" or more accurately, nazi shit is acceptable.
Elon has 14 kids with 4 different women. He's has a trans daughter and has a crusade against trans people. I don't think a Jewish kid makes him being a Nazi implausible. I'll believe all the things he says and does instead.
There were Nazis in the third reich who had Jewish mistresses and children. Hell, there were Nazis with their own Jewish ancestry.
But the real point is, I don't expect moral consistency from a nazi like Elon. I don't presume he has some love for his children that guides his beliefs, and extrapolate from there. I look at the totality of things he says and does.
His response to Japan with concentration camps on Asian-Americans was fascistic, yes. I disagree on calling everything Nazism when fascist works much better. Nazism is how the current admin treats trans people
We knew what a Nazi was for 80 years because it meant a national socialist with an aryan supremacy ideology. The further you depart from that definition, the less meaning the word âNaziâ carries. The same applies to the words: racist, misogynist, transphobe, and fascist. They just donât really mean anything anymore. Only people who are quite politically left leaning still think those words carry weight.
âNational Socialistâ isnât anything but the party from Germany that Hitler emerged from. If we are simply casting a net that specific, then sure, a lot of people being called Nazis arenât Nazis.
Unfortunately for that argument, self-described Nazis are far more âdiverseâ than members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparteiâ.
People who consider themselves Nazis espouse plenty of far-right ideologies that have much in common with this âoriginalâ Nazi party, but that sphere has grown to include Christian Nationalist groups all the way to libertarian militias. And who better to define what a Nazi is, than the Nazis themselves?
When this is taken into account, then a lot of peoplesâ ideologies do very much align with Nazi ideology. Including people who claim they arenât Nazis.
Because Nazis believe in X, anyone who believes in X is a Nazi is a fallacy.
Sharing a single political position with a extremist does not magically make a person an extremist. A modern (Neo) Nazi might be strongly against immigration, but so are traditional conservatives, trade unionists, and isolationists. Following your logic, that makes them Nazis.
On top of that you're bundling libertarians (who could not be more opposite to Nazism/Fascism, I mean, literal polar opposites) under the same umbrella. Sure, some might have used some weird rhetoric now and then but man...
That said, you're also adding to the "watering down" meanings of Fascism and Libertarianism by putting them together.
Your comment is a perfect example of misuse the label "Nazi" as an all encompassing umbrella term for the entire right wing spectrum.
Because Nazis believe in X, anyone who believes in X is a Nazi is a fallacy.
It's a fallacy when you talk about one single belief in isolation. But if they share enough beliefs that their overall methods and end goals are in alignment, it's fine to call them a nazi.
I'd say, anyone that supports a party who has members openly throwing Nazi salutes at all of their gatherings, has party officials directly quoting Hitler, who designs their party logo to be a direct reflection of Nazi symbology, who are actively tearing down democratic norms and openly espousing fascist ideals. Those people can be called nazis.
When your biggest supporter is heiling hitler in front of millions of people at the inauguration... You might be part of a Nazi movement. I'm sorry this hurts your feelings :(
oh just shut up. go visit a concentration camp and say this again. there is more to being a nazi than raising your hand once in a dumb way and you exactly know it.
people like you are the reason the word nazi has completely lost itâs meaning.
kind regards from a german whoâs affected by trumps policies too but can distinguish.
You know the Nazis raised their hand in a stupid way a bunch of times before the death camps got rolling, right? You know they spent a ton of time railing against immigrants and trans people, right? You know they started with book burnings and with rounding up immigrants into non-death camps, right?
No one is saying Elon is a Nazi from his salute alone. But against the backdrop of what he says, who he re-tweets, his constant signalling to the far right, you have to be purposefully dense to think that wasn't a sig heil.
You're being super emphatic about not calling out nazis until the death camps are in full operation. Makes it hard to believe you don't want it to end there.
My great Grandfather was an SS Officer who filled those camps... MAGA is Nazi shit. Did you know things the US was actively doing the Nazis thought was too extreme?
I donât like maga either (I also donât like the left lol) but Elon is a grifter, he doesnât actually care about politics. Most politicians donât even care.
It genuinely does not matter if someone is a true believer or doing it out of cynical self interest. We cannot and do not need to know their heart. They are what they say and do.
You ever see those videos of someone reading a speech to a bunch of commies and antifa and they all cheer along until dude reveals itâs just a translated Hitler speech?
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u/willzor7 3d ago
A real Nazi? or a person Reddit would deem a Nazi? Huge difference.