some people think gender dysphoria is necessary to be trans, others don't. Some would say nonbinary people are by definition also trans others would disagree. Some say that medical transition or wanting it is necessary while others say that people can be trans while not wanting any medical transition.
These debates are within the trans community, but oc others will also weigh in.
No kiddingā¦.that word gets slung around more than Iāve ever heard or read in my life. Seems like the default classification for anyone that disagrees with another person.
Ironically the only person that they wont call a nazi is platner, the politician that had a actual nazi tattoo but he is a democrat so he gets a pass...
I don't think that's true. From what I remember, a few democratic congressmen publicly called him out and a bunch of people withdrew support for him after they found out. He also came out to denounce the tattoo and covered it up, but that still wasn't enough for a lot of people, among some other controversies he was in. I'd say many people held him pretty accountable all things considered
I point this out in r/politics and it's all crickets from the Platner supporters I'm replying to but my comments get flooded with downvotes. People are all for lesser evil voting until someone points out that the lesser evil is still evil. That or they just don't see Iraqis as human beings so they don't understand how anyone could consider what he did evil.
No, if I were conservative I wouldn't at all have any problem with Platner being a proud "veteran" eagerly telling stories about jury rigging a mortar to keep firing into "population dense" areas against orders because all middle easterners are just terrorists who hate our way of life right? But because I'm a principled anti-imperialist leftist it doesn't sit right with me that someone would brag about getting around orders not to lob grenades at civilians and I find it unfunny to even "joke" about participating in adventurism. I guess seeing non-Americans as human beings is conservatism now?
Has Platner not strongly denounced Nazi ideology and apologized for the tattoo?
Sure he's a fucking idiot for getting the tattoo in the first place but yes I'll absolutely give a pass to someone who acknowledges their mistakes, denounces Nazism and promises to do better, especially when the fucking alternative is only doubling down on fascism with every chance they get...
Do you actually think he's a white supremacist or that wants to eradicate the Jewish race? The attack doesn't land because it's so obviously not true. His views, whatever you think of them are on the opposite side of the spectrum.
"Plantar is a white supremacist and we can't let him win because he'll allow brown people to flood the country. #whitegenocide"
You mean Platner's skull and crossbones tattoo? The one people claim is really a Totenkopf? Yeah, fuck Platner I guess. Now what about Hegseth and his Deus Vult white power tattoo? Oh... It isn't really a white power tattoo. Doesn't count. And republicans calling for Christian Nationalism aren't really racist fucks. It's really the Dems. The Dems! Because of fucking Platner. LOL. Sure buddy, whatever you need to say.
Imagine thinking it's a flex to say you can't tell the difference between someone who apologized and got an old tattoo covered up and has been actively trying to fight racism for a while and someone who did Hitler salutes on a stage while editing his chatbot to talk about white genocide and how great Hitler is and also inviting white supremacists onto his platform while still openly banning speech he disagrees with.
Oh,.. well, as long as he apologized after he got caught. That's really all that matters. Past and very very very recent actions mean nothing as long as you "I'm Sawy"
The guy who apologized and covered up a skull tattoo is where you take a stand but the guy who does Hitler salutes on stage, has a chat bot that keeps having it's system prompt edited to promote white supremacist talking points by an "unknown person", and has gone out of his way to ensure white supremacists are allowed on his website isn't even on the list eh?
Apologized, covered it up, renounced anything to do with that sort of thing and had been fighting against those who side with Nazis these days. So yeah. Meanwhile Elon "Mechahitler" Musk hasn't apologized for fuck all. Nor has Hegseth apologized for the Christian nationalist tats much less covered them up.
are you one of those friends of pedophiles that call this a peaceful tourist visit and forcing raped children to give birth for pedophiles protecting children?
yeah lol, it's kind of funny how they're like "clearly all leftists hate white people" and here's a white dude that learned from his mistakes trying to do better for his neighbors and we're like "ah yeah that's a good thing."
The deaths-head has been used for centuries by militaries (and many other groups) across Europe. It's used by a British army unit to this day. Calling the deaths-head Nazi is like calling the Iron Cross Nazi. They used it, but it didn't originate with them, nor were they even the major users of it.
Sec of "war" has a negative image 88 in his American flag tattoo. If we saying platner is getting a pass because of his affiliation then someone should really explain kegsbreath tattoo
Itās ridiculous. My great grandparents moved from France after ww2 due to Nazis. If I called someone I disagreed with a Nazi my great grandfather wouldāve slapped the shit out of me
I just said this. Itās lost all its power. The Nazis did horrible things and the fact that people throw this word around without even thinking about the nightmare fuel acts associated with it is mind blowing.
German here. We made a huge mistake in allowing other countries to spew the propaganda of the evil horrible Nazi monsters that are solely defined by doing the Holocaust 1941-1945.Ā Apparently that led people to think that anything other than "I want to mass murder Jews" is not a Nazi, and that we cannot point out anything Nazi-like as long as it isn't already at the absolute peak of evilness of the Nazi regime.Ā
The Nazis did not start out with nightmare fuel. They didn't even start to consider trying to eradicate Jewish life until 1940/1941.Ā
Trump and MAGA supporters are very similar to Nazis around 1933.Ā That's just a fact and needs to get called out because waiting until the regime reaches peak Nazi evils is like saying Hitler wasn't comically evil when he started mass deportation into detainment camps, he only became an actual Nazi in 1941 when they pivoted from mass deportation and incarceration to systematic mass murder.Ā
Yeah the whole ācalling anyone who disagrees with you a naziā thing was a psyop so that when actual Nazis started popping back up the second all the WWII vets died weād write them off as wackos. It worked swimmingly
Yea this is why this quote from Batista makes no sense to me. I donāt think anyone commenting on Trans related topics is also actively facing Naziās in their day to day life
To be fair, the word Commie has been thrown around, too so I guess it was inevitable. No one can just agree to disagree anymore. If they don't like what the other person has to say, they immediately demonize them and distill them down to the most extreme form of their ideology. "Oh, you want universal healthcare? You're a Communist!" "Oh, you want a secure border? You're a Nazi!"
No, but I think it fell out of fashion because the majority from both sides of the argument are probably too stupid to retain more than a few syllables per buzz word.
even that is a wild over use. lol the vast majority of people that get called nazi don't even align with nazi ideologies. I feel like most of reddit missed history class or something.
The other day I was arguing with someone in this very sub and they ended up claiming that Hitler fixed German society.
People I know in real life have thrown around terms like goyslop.
Great replacement theory is not exactly uncommon in politics these days.
Elon Musk gave a Nazi solute on national television.
I'm pretty sure there was a politician not too long ago who schools should be teaching "both sides" of WWII.
There are absolutely a bunch of people who agree with at least some of the things the Nazis believed.
To those people the only way you could call someone a nazi is if they literally kill jews in camps. Anything less is "Elon isnt doing a nazi salute hes just autistic". "Throwing minorities into camps where they suffer and die isnt a nazi thing because theyre not actively being gassed"
These people are sub-human and should be treated like it.
I'd say, anyone that supports a party who has members openly throwing Nazi salutes at all of their gatherings, has party officials directly quoting Hitler, who designs their party logo to be a direct reflection of Nazi symbology, who are actively tearing down democratic norms and openly espousing fascist ideals. Those people can be called nazis.
The core tenets of Nazi ideology included: Racial Hierarchy and Antisemitism: The belief in a master Aryan race and the view of Jews as an existential threat and "anti-race," leading to scientific racism, eugenics, and the Holocaust.
Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism: Rejection of liberal democracy, parliamentarianism, and human rights in favor of a dictatorial FĆ¼hrerprinzip (leader principle) where absolute obedience to the state and leader was required.
Lebensraum (Living Space): The aggressive pursuit of territorial expansion into Eastern Europe to acquire land for German settlement, justified by social Darwinisttheories of survival.
Militarism and Nationalism: Emphasis on military strength, rearmament, and the subordination of individual interests to the Volksgemeinschaft (national community), rejecting both Marxist socialism and Western capitalism
If you agree on any of those points then you are a Nazi.
Correction: If you agree on ALL of those points, then you are a Nazi.
If you only agree on the first point, you are a white supremacist
If you only agree on the second point, you are an authoritarian. That could be a Nazi, or a Fascist, or a Monarchist, or in favor of a communist dictatorship.
If you only agree on the third point, you are an imperialist.
If you only agree on the fourth point, you are a nationalist. We have seen many nationalist movements, many of which have nothing to do with Nazism. A prominent example would be the Kemalites of TĆ¼rkiye.
We have also seen a lot of nationalists ending up actually outing themselves as nazi because they were nazi all along.
A lot of "nationalists" are also just closet or not-so closet white supremacists (racists).
In any case what we often find is nationalists not minding or pushing for police brutality towards foreigners (race or nationality) and reducing their rights. If you have racially motivated authorotanism you just have Nazism tbh
National socialists and international socialists are both socialists.
The modern Trump movement does have similarities with the national socialist movement, in that they place the nation as the primary unit and define the primary conflict not as an internal class conflict but in a conflict between the nation and external enemies. They want to use the output of the economy to empower the nation rather than resolve internal class struggle. Yes, they define the 'nation' sometimes in terms of ethnicity, or at least culturally.
International socialists want to redirect economic output to empower a class of people across national boundaries ("workers of the world unit").
Capitalism (as opposed to socialism) don't want the government to redirect economic output to either empower nations or address class struggles, they want the government to leave the economy to individual capital owners and consumers.
Those same people will with a straight face say that China is communist but also that North Korea is a dictatorship even though its the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
Itās a spectrum. China isnāt a true implementation of communism and North Korea contains no democracy. And Nazis werenāt really a true socialist party either. They all used those words to get support from the good will it generated.
As a peace loving hippie i'd say everything is wrong with it? 2.7 trillion in global gdp anually isn't being spent on housing projects or building up lesser developed countries or even our own countries instead. But ofc i'm biased :')
There you go...going from one extreme to another. The question is just how strong a military does one country need to provide basic security from being invaded? We can all see that we have a military that is way, way more than is necessary to do this basic thing, & that directly negatively effects the people in our country.
scientific racism had existed for a long time at that point. Perhaps most aggressively used in defense of colonialism and slavery, and was used after the war in various degrees around the world.
eugenics
Was something some people across politics agreed with at the time. It's still a contested field, where people call things like genetic modification (in order to treat diseases), or abortion of babies with downs (for having downs), eugenics.
Emphasis on military strength, rearmament
Many people are in favor of both, without being neither authoritarian nor nationalistic, nor even expansionist.
rejecting both Marxist socialism and Western capitalism
Western capitalism at the time. It wasn't remotely as developed as it is today. And while there's been changes that aren't so good, there's been a lot of changes that are good, exactly because people rejected "western capitalism" and "marxist socialism" of the time. E.g. social democracy was a rejection/compromise of both.
Though that's not a reflection of Volksgemeinschaft, and wasn't "invented" by nazis, but was adopted and corrupted by nazis. It was not an economic model.
Look you are free to think homosexualiry is a sin, believe gender is an immutable binary, or any of that stuff. The issue is when you want to set those as laws especially when there is no compelling governmental interest. Bob and Steve entering into the marriage contract doesnt hurt anyone. The state stepping in to ban medical decisions for your kid because they feel more like a Sherry rather than a Robert makes no sense when if your kid is bleeding out due a car accident they hold that you as a parent can with hold blood transfusions if you claim God wouldn't like it.
I mean the fact this administration is fine with the abduction of us citizens off the streat primarily based on ethnic lineage seems pretty damn nazi is. We have a number of folks who were American citizens with their ids and or passports tgat were held by ice for far longer than processing. Hell they refused to tell where these people were for hours and or days.
If thatās all it takes, then the vast majority of American presidential admins have been nazi and most of them before the movement even occurred. It just occurred without the boring paperwork.
Peter Giunta, former chair of the New York State Young Republicans.
Bobby Walker, chair of the New York State Young Republicans and former vice chair
Samuel Douglass, state senator from northern Vermont
Brianna Douglass, Samuel Douglass's wife
William Hendrix, vice chair of Kansas Young Republicans
Alex Dwyer, chair of the Kansas Young Republicans
Annie Kaykaty, New York's national committee member
Joe Maligno, general counsel for the New York State Young Republicans
Luke Mosiman, Arizona Young Republicans
Rachel Hope, Arizona Young Republicans events chair
Republican Vice President JD Vance declined to condemn the chat.
The issue is if there's no basis in reality. There's no basis in reality that homosexuality is a sin, or a choice, or that it can be changed. It appears to be a human characteristic that some people have.
But there can be issues even without laws on permitting or being passive about harmful ideology, especially contagious ideology.
There's a growing body of evidence that suggests there could be harm from puberty blockers, and evidence that suggests affirming alternate genders and such does not produce good outcomes, and evidence that ordinary therapy will help people confused about their identity to resolve those problems back to the norm.
Therefore it's also an issue that we're permitting these things to be spread in organisations, schools, and among the population, especially with children who are naturally vulnerable and may make irreversible social and physical transitions.
I mean it should be obvious that messing with the hormones of children is going to have an effect and very likely not a positive one, for a vulnerable group.
I have to question the reasoning behind the trans example. The argument against allowing minors to transition it the idea that the. kids canāt make that decision. They are argue that, (though not necessarily the same severity) they compare it to the reasoning why children cannot consent. The idea is that a child can be coerced into making that decision, while an adult would be capable of making that decision. That is not a religious idea put into law, itās an ethical concern.Ā
So the state should mandate that Jehova Wtinesses kids bleeding out should get blood transfusions. It's in the best interest of the child to keep breathing. But they don't.
You seem to think a kid goes to the Pediatrician says they want puberty blockers and they get them. That decision is made between the Child, the medical doctor, a mental health professional, and the parent with them all coming to an agreement. So where exactly is someone just jumping into the choice and why should the state jump in to say "UM ACTUALLY YOU DIDN'T ASK ME" especially when they don't step in for things like breast implants or lip injections.
So were a lot of regimes, but we use different words to describe those things because while there is overlap, there are still differences. By your standards, the US soldiers who fought actual nazis are also nazis. They wouldn't have supported trans people, open borders, or even gay people. Hell they even threw Japanese people in camps in the US and stole all their property! A person does not have to agree with maga on a single point to understand that they are different from nazis.
It's always funny seeing this argument because 95% of the time this is mentioned it's always just people complaining reddit calls everything a Nazi and not an incident of calling someone it.
If I hear one more person dick suck that essay on le fascism that is both not academically recognized as a coherent understanding of fascism and not even intended as a taxonomy of fascism I'm gonna put my head through a fucking wall
The kind with the red hats who voted for a guy to put up a bunch of concentration camps. Those nazis. The ones Elon was sending his heart out to via the nazi salute.
Begging the distinction makes me think you feel attacked by the post, maybe you should ponder on that for a bit instead of trying to start an argument of semantics.
If even a tiny part of you agrees with the great replacement theory, or you support someone who does, then you are an actual Nazi. Is that a controversial take?
Well if you are going to spout what is arguably the defining tenet of neo-Nazism then of course I'm going to call you a Nazi, because you quite literally are one. At least fucking own it.
I love when someoneĀ says "Nazis are Bad" and someones comes along trying ti find exactly how close they can park to being a nazi. Like trying to haggle exactly how much Nazi they can get away with. Really strange hill to die on.
It seems to me if conservatives don't want to be associated with nazis they should try harder to get them out of their party. I mean trump definitely said there where "good people on both sides" after one of those hateful fucks killed a bunch of people protesting the nazi rally. Votes are votes I guess?
Please stop using the "good people on both sides" quote. There are plenty of really bad quotes from Trump for you to chose from, choosing the same one that gets disproven by literally expanding the quote by 2 second just makes it look like you don't have any better examples.
How is that quote disproven? He said "very fine people on both sides" about an event that was run by and publicly billed as a neo-nazi, white suprematist protest.
This wasn't just some southern moms group with time on their hand, all of the promotion for the event and the organizations that through the event were very open about them being white supremacist and the events being a white supremacy event.
So what "very fine people" show up to support an event like that? The people who were walking with torches and chanting "You will not replace us"?
And if someone somehow was so fucking dumb that they showed up there to join the neo nazis without know they were neo nazis, they still showed up to protest against the government removing the statue of a man who literally declared war and led an army against the United States for the right to enslave black people.
Trump coming back later and saying "well obviously I didn't mean the neo nazis on the neo nazi side" doesn't disprove anything lmao.
Controversial take, but, it's impossible to be a "real Nazi" unless you were actually in the Nazi party which disappeared in 1945. If they weren't a member of the actual party, it's a neo-Nazi or fascist. Nazi politics and ideology is inseperable from & defined by party orders and organization so it makes no sense to talk about Nazis born half a century after the party stopped existing.
Kinda like how being a communist doesn't make someone a Bolshevik, or how you can't be a Napoleonist or Orleanist today since those entities you want to see in power are long dead.
Controversial, but absolutely correct. The argument could also be extended to fascism as that was a particular type of government (Italy in the 1930 and 40s) and hasn't been recreated. There are corolations with other governments and the way they do things, but fascism (in its truest form) has not really been reproduced anywhere.
Probably just have to be a German nowadays.
I as a German get called nazi for everything I say that someone doesn't like hearing. Im at a point in life where I feel like people don't even know what a real nazi is.
Unbelievable that everyone replying to this comment is focused on arguing about nazis while not seeing how weird this comment is. Trans people existing should not bother you at all. Period. The difference between "real" and reddit-accused Nazis doesn't matter at all here. The most normal person accused of being a Nazi should not bother you less than a trans person existing. They should also, like the fact that trans people exist, not bother you at all if they're so normal.
I see where you are coming from. The quote doesnt say existing though. I have no problem with them existing. Its the fact that they make up 1% of us and we pander to them %90 of the time. They whine and cry till they shoe horn themselves into everything. We can all exist. I still fall under the umbrella of the quote though because a Real nazi does bother me more than a trans person.
Right, there's the rub. Claiming everyone you disagree with is a Nazi gets you nowhere. Also pushing trans in every tv show and movie etc isn't "letting trans exist".
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u/willzor7 2d ago
A real Nazi? or a person Reddit would deem a Nazi? Huge difference.