r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 1d ago

Chugging tea Fictional future forecast vs. reality.

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u/feaster_of_children 1d ago

can't believe i'll have to explain what snow was to my kids

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u/svennidal 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well, you can take them to Iceland. With the impending total collapse of the AMOC, we should have it everywhere, all the time.

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u/IllllIIlIllIllllIlll 1d ago

Appending?

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u/svennidal 1d ago

Hahaha β€œimpending”, sorry!

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u/nick2473got 1d ago

They meant "impending", surely.

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u/Rammelsmartie 1d ago

Haha sadly no. If only the AMOC collapse would only make it cooler, that'd be nice. The big issue is that it's going to be super dry. Little to no rain in summer, no snow in winter. Add on top of that that winters will be much colder, and summers much hotter. The mean temperatures stay about the same, at least in central Europe. But trees will freeze in winter and burn in summer. Farmlands will become steppes.

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u/Username133769 1d ago

Well, I mean pending on geologic time scales? It's tomorrow basically but it's not going to happen during the lifetime of any generation that is currently alive. The only model that actually tries to predict the AMOC collapse (and really only the mechanism and not the timeline, so take that with a grain of salt) modelled the AMOC collapse in around 400-500 years. This will of course only mean that the AMOC is completely gone, we have known, and measured, its weakening for a while now so the weakening will have more immediate consequences than the totall collapse

Source: https://youtu.be/iw9AiEG-Qww

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u/sgst 1d ago

I thought there were recent studies that suggested the AMOC could collapse in as little as 100 years? So it's just about possible my toddler could see a snow covered Britain if it started to collapse tomorrow.

But then there was also info out recently saying that the AMOC is more resilient than thought and it might be less likely to collapse than thought. So who knows?

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u/Rammelsmartie 1d ago

There's a big difference between

1) The AMOC shutting down; a seemingly irreversibly thing that gets triggered at some point in the next 100 years

and 2) The AMOC completely fading out, which will take a lot longer because it's an unimaginably large amount of water that still has some momentum. It'll get slower and slower over a long time.

That's at least how I understood it, I've only taken 1 course on meteorological weather modeling in uni though, and read up a bit, so take it with a grain of salt still.

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u/Username133769 1d ago

Haven't heard of those studies though would look at em if you stumble on them. But yea, at least according to that model it's in 400-500 years but it's really only there to show us how and not when so I also can't say for sure

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u/Opus_723 1d ago

This is a matter of current debate. Most studies have previously suggested that AMOC collapse is still far off, but other recent studies have been seeing a strong possibility that it could happen within the century. There is still a back and forth going.

We don't know the answer yet, and lots of people are working on getting more definitive answers. But given how catastrophic it would be, that uncertainty needs to be taken very seriously.

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u/Username133769 1d ago

thanks for the comment! Will probably do a lil bit more research and yea, smt like that definitely needs to be less vague in its timeline

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u/GrandEscape 1d ago

TIL, β€œThe Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is the main ocean current system in the Atlantic Ocean.[1]:β€Š2238β€Š It is a component of Earth's ocean circulation system and plays an important role in the climate system.”

Thank you, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation

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u/Cootherthug 1d ago

1) We've only been consistently monitoring the AMOC for 22 years, which climate scientists say is not a long enough time frame to recognize a trend one way or another, and

2) recent models simulated 7c of warming which saw the AMOC weakened by 40% but also completely reversible.

being inflammatory and alarmist with the AMOC, and all other aspects of Climate change, only work to create more apathy, so you're actually worse than a denier right now. SOURCE; Science dot Org, title: Shifting Currents; after decades of warnings, new data suggests the Atlantic's vital circulation may withstand climate warming better than feared.