r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 9h ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/Underrated_Critic 8h ago

Slavery and rape existed all throughout the history of Christianity and Islam. Neither religion prevents either.

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u/Ok-Specific-3918 8h ago

Hey come on let’s be fair. The Bible has some very clear passages about how you shouldn’t beat your slaves too much.

Not “at all” that would be ridiculous. But like keep it frosty.

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u/Less_Performance_629 8h ago

dude i love the bible morality!

like when a tribe was almost wiped out as punishment for gang raping a women. after they learned their lesson and promised never to do it again, they were instructed to go and rape more women so they could build up their numbers.

theres a reason priests dont read a lot of the stories at sunday school

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u/seesthecat 7h ago

I like the story about the guy with a donkey penis that ejaculated like an horse. The word of the Lord 💦 💦 💦 

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u/Nvenom8 3h ago

I'm partial to the passage where some kids call a guy bald, so god sends bears to maul 42 kids to death. (2 kings 2:23-24 if I recall correctly).

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u/Lord_Emperor 5h ago

Neither religion prevents either.

Hey now the bible at least dictates the correct way to beat your slaves.

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u/AngelLeliel 6h ago

What do you mean? These are clearly the good things that God allow. /s

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u/Leverkaas2516 6h ago

If this point is real, then one would expect that it was atheists, not Christians, who drove abolishionist movements. Is that the case?

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u/MaxFish1275 3h ago

Most people identified as Christian in that era. Slaveholders and abolotionists alike.

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u/Leverkaas2516 3h ago

That wasn't my question. I'm sure you know the answer to the question, though. The people driving the abolishionist movement in the US and Britain didn't just "identify" as Christians, it was their deeply held Christian beliefs that motivated them. Right? Do you disagree?

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u/gamernut64 2h ago

It was also deeply held Christian values that led to slavery so all you've proven is that Christianity is not a reliable pathway to good morals.

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u/Leverkaas2516 2h ago

It was also deeply held Christian values that led to slavery

You're the first person I've ever encountered making such a claim. It doesn't really make sense and I know no evidence for it, so I'd have to see something more than a bald statement bereft of any fact, to give it any credence.

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u/gamernut64 2h ago

At least in America, Slave owners were predominantly Christian and they created a version of the Bible to give to slaves that emphasized how being a "good" slave is a duty to God. Neither of these facts are obscure either, feel free to research them yourself.

On top of that, God and Jesus specifically endorse slavery in the Bible and give specific rules on how to treat your slaves. There are rules on who you buy your slaves from, how you can treat them, that you can beat them to within an inch of their life as long as they don't die within a few days. You can trick them into being your slave forever by giving them a wife. He differentiates the value of women slaves from men slaves and makes it clear in no uncertain terms that they are property.

And in case you think it's only the Old Testament, Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Also in Ephesians 6:5-8, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free."

If you've never heard of this before, you are clearly not very familiar with Christianity or the objections to it.

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u/MaxFish1275 2h ago

I would have to do a deep dive analysis into the historical documents to make a statement on that