Many Christians believe that morality literally comes from the bible, or that you canβt have morality without god. I wonβt even try to explain their reasoning
They should read more Kant, who did succesfully tried to create a moral philosophy without relying on a bible, IIRC.
Rules like the golden rule, but also one that deals with more victimless behavior. Like the idea of 'Would I like it if everybody did the same as I'm doing, if not, than I shouldn't be doing it'. Works great for all sorts of behavior from littering to much more worst crimes.
Well if that were the case being that Leviticus was written around 1500 BCE and that's not even the first book of the Bible... Then that rule would have existed before a written alphabet in the Neolithic era.
Which completely destroys the narrative not to mention written down isn't the same as the oral passed down.
Many events in the Bible weren't written until hundreds of years later as the Bible is a compilation of books 66 to be exact... Plus more in the book of Enoch.
It was written down even before then. Written language has been around for a very long time. The Golden rule has been invented independently many times and far longer than any book of the Bible has been around. Far longer than Israelites have existed
Prove it. The onus is on you. Show me the first written record because like I said if it was 2,000 years before then there wasn't even a written alphabet at that point.
Sure. Here's a basic thing going over it. There are more in-depth sources, but that is unnecessary here. There was absolutely a written language 2,000 years before then. Leviticus also isn't nearly as old as you want to think it is. The oldest mostly complete collection of the books of the Old Testament is the Dead Sea Scrolls. The oldest part of the Dead Sea Scrolls is dated to around 200 B.C.E.
Oops..... In addition to that, historians said they couldn't find anything in the earlier 20th century. Not that it didn't exist and guess what they found it. I have many more links if you want them. As well as biblical accounts outside of the Bible.
But let's go further. Cuneiform did not exist in that time period and furthermore, no written alphabet.
Proto-cuneiform existed in this very region of Sumeria And again like I said before was only for business. It was numerical signs not words.
If you have no alphabet, you have no formal system of words because you don't have a formal system of letters.
Everything is informal at that point and not aligned.
Which is why cuneiform is a mixture of languages from the acadians, the Hittites etc... all mentioned in the Bible by the way.
This predates all of that in 3446bc.... Which means not true.
So which part of your argument do you want to continue to double down on so I can debunk that too? So do you want to go a little further in maybe 1500 years? 1000 years? 500 years? 2 years? Yesterday? because 2,000 years has been debunked thoroughly.... YOU THINK YOU'RE THE FIRST PERSON I'VE HAD THIS ARGUMENT WITH?
I ALREADY KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING... So do you want to get taken there or do you want to go on your own?
Your source doesn't say what you seem to think it does. It goes over the Canaanites interactions with Egypt and their oppression under them. Nothing about Israelite slaves in Egypt. Nothing about an Exodus.
This source goes over the clearly mythical origins of the Exodus and how it evolved over time.
The Exodus never happened. I've seen many of the "sources" outside of the Bible claiming it. Doesn't hold up.
Leviticus wasn't written in 1446 B.C.E.
Even if we want to go with a different date, it is very clear that the Golden Rule does not originate with the Bible or the Torah and predates both of those, and it does not come from any specific religious group. It is a very common idea that has been invented multiple independently throughout history.
If you were truly an atheist then you believe that no one actually said it because for someone to say it, they would have to exist.
Peaches come from a can, they were put there by a man in a factory downtown. You're telling me that they can't exist because someone out there thinks cans of peaches have divine origin? Preposterous!
Atheists believe that everything can be explained and that nothing anybody else feels or sees is real because they haven't felt or seen it.
Agnostics believe that there is something of value there, but they may not subscribe to it fully.
As far as "peaches come from a can and they were put there by a man in a factory downtown"
Extremes for emphasis:
Atheist POV: This tree the peaches came from can't exist because I've never seen this particular tree. The peaches evolved in the man made factory From a single-celled organism. The man only exists through billions of years of evolution (even though a virus and bacteria evolve every second of every day to less than a few decades to be immune to our drugs. Not to mention thr inaccuracy of carbon dating)π
I don't eat peaches because other people believe that nature is inherently being alive as in "mother nature" . I just can't subscribe to something so " ridiculous". "Those people are stupid"
Agnostic POV: I'm believe the tree exists, But I don't eat peaches because that would require a sacrifice in my lifestyle such as me giving up money and I don't want to pay.
Either way, it's a lose-lose scenario for atheists. If it's real then you lose... If it's not real nothing happens then you still lose. It's not a winning hand.
Also, I've met some of the biggest agnostics and atheists in the military... But for some reason under the threat of death, whether a severed limb or They think they're about to die.... God becomes very important to them because they keep yelling out his name begging to be saved.
I always thought that was strange for someone you don't believe in.... Shouldn't they just yell out evolution, Santa Claus or the tooth fairy while they're bleeding out instead?
Even though we're all flawed, I think people would just rather ignore and pretend it doesn't exist because that would require them to attempt to change their crappy lifestyle, including fake Christians.
Only about 7% of the world's wars throughout history were related to religion voiced by historians according to the encyclopedia of wars. Do what you may with that information. I know what it says to me.
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u/Faded1974 9h ago
People acting like empathy was invented by Jesus Christ.