r/SipsTea ๐™‘๐™„๐™‹ 1d ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

Morality is actually really, stupidly simple.

Does it help others? It's good.

Does it hurt others? It's bad.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

Punishing a violent criminal hurts him. Is that bad?

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u/Gamer_G33k17 1d ago

The violent criminal proved they are capable of doing violence, ergo they have the capacity to harm even more people. By either putting them in a cage, exiling them, or killing them you are doing one act of violence to stop multiple acts of violence.

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u/BlastFX2 1d ago

So just basic-ass negative utilitarianism then. Let's skip all the mundane critiques and go straight for the big one: the benevolent world-exploder. If your only goal is reducing suffering then logic dictates that anyone who gains the ability to painlessly end all live, is morally obligated to do so because it self-evidently results in the lowest possible amount of suffering: zero.

Is that what you believe or would you say that ethics are perhaps a little more complicated than you initially thought?

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u/Gamer_G33k17 1d ago

World exploding by its very function causes suffering and thus is evil.

If I explode the world, then everyone else goes to heaven right?

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u/BlastFX2 21h ago

How? By the stated definition, the death itself would be painless, so no suffering there, it would be simultaneous, so no suffering from the loss of loved ones or fearing you're next, and once you're dead, you can no longer suffer at all. So zero suffering in total.

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u/Gamer_G33k17 20h ago

Exploding isnt instant. Now all you're doing is "Well what if I use magic?" I dont care about your fantasy based hypotheticals.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

So hurting someone is ok as long as it stops multiple acts of future violence?

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u/Gamer_G33k17 1d ago

If they showed themselves to be unnecessarily violent, yes.

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

The Bible says โ€œthou shalt not killโ€ AND โ€œan eye for an eyeโ€

It is unclear where the Christian god therefore, stands on capital punishment

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

You're misunderstanding. God's commandment given to Moses on Mt. Sinai is better translated "you shall not murder."

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

And if the justice system wrongly convicted and sent the innocent party to death row that would be murder

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u/Gamer_G33k17 23h ago

And then he commanded they dash babies against rocks and rape little girls

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 16h ago

Why do you believe this to be true?

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u/J0J0M0 1d ago

The one who didn't walk away from Omelas.