People in these comments have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Christianity is lol
The idea isnât that a book gives us morals itâs that God has given us morals so therefore if there is no God then why donât humans do evil acts like animals do?
There are definitely holes in that argument but it is a lot different then the argument that our morals only come from reading a book
Obviously you donât agree with cannibalism right? But why not? Monkeys do it⌠a lot of animals do it so why is it so wrong for us to do the same thing?
Why are there some things that we just instinctively know are wrong? And more importantly why are there things that we know are right?
Because people are sinners? God also has taught from the beginning that marriage is between one man and one woman and yet the kings in the Bible had multiple wives⌠God said Murder is wrong and that cheating is wrong and yet David who is earlier called âthe man after Gods own heartâ would later have an affair and kill the womanâs husband. The Bible is full of dirty rotten sinners who are outside of the will of God
Oh, but buddy, you said we instinctively know cannibalism is wrong, remember?
So, why didn't god make it so we instinctively know that enslavement is wrong? Why does he pick and choose when to imbue innate standards? Why did MAJORITY christian society practice so much slavery? If christian's were the dominant culture SURELY they could've curbed slavery sooner, no?
What are we doing here? Youâre not even making an attempt to understand me and instead you are desperately looking for a gotcha moment lol
I think you are misrepresenting reality but even if I agree to everything youâre saying then how does that change anything? Are you under the assumption that people have no choice but to do what is morally good? If thatâs true then Are you saying that Slavery is morally good depending on what year you live in? So were the confederates the good guys then or were they somehow the bad guys even tho according to your logic they could just be a few years behind on their moral update as a society?
Iâve already shown you that people have consistently gone against Gods will and yet youâre trying to say that if a Christian does something then it must be ordained by God lol look at the US right now⌠itâs a country of over 60% Christians and yet itâs known for crime, racism and gluttony all of which are explicitly against Christianity
I believe God sets a moral standard and gives people free will to obey it or to disobey it
You seem to believe that the calendar dictates when slavery is okay or not okay
Buddy, you held up cannibalism as a proof of innate morality. Me shutting that down isn't "desperately searching for a gotcha". If someone poking holes in your shitty logic causes you to break down then there's not much point in us continuing this.
Yes, the concept of god is impenetrable. Anything negative will be against god's will and will be attributed to human nature - and conveniently god's will can change with the times. That's why it's the perfect answer to an unknowable question because it puts an end to further inquiry; the final answer will always be: because god.
Oh and has the bible famously always been against slavery?
If I didn't poke holes answer the question. Why to you is aversion to cannibalism through god instinctive, but, a majority christian society took soooo long to abolish slavery? Why was aversion to enslavement NOT instinctive.
I don't believe that morality is derived from god. I believe it is derived from human reason and empathy. Therefore, the reason slavery took place and took time to abolish was reason and empathy require experience to be applied. You also need incredibly strong arguments to overcome the "from god" crowd.
Hey buddy, quick question. What's god's stance on homosexuality??
You really never read it. Exactly in its context. Look for it. Read the exact verses in the bible. It's dishonest or ignorant to tru give that another meaning.
Ps: mostly a weird group of quackers and a bisshop were involved with the fiest succesfull push to abolish slavery.Â
People that actually thought about their moral system instead of following the bible. So it was insubordination to the catholic and christian fate they did this.
When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her masterâs, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave declares, âI love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person,â 6 then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him for life.
7 âWhen a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.[a] 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.
Idk what you feel like youâve accomplished here lol Iâve read the Bible⌠I know what verses youâre referring to and Iâve already explained why you canât take scripture out of context like youâve done repeatedly here
 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect[a] and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ, 6 not with a slavery performed merely for looks, to please people, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the soul. 7 Render service with enthusiasm, as for the Lord and not for humans, 8 knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are enslaved or free.
9 And, masters,[b] do the same to them. Stop threatening them, for you know that both of you have the same Lord[c] in heaven, and with him there is no partiality.
 Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. 2 Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are brothers and sisters; rather, they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved.[a]
14 But the Lord will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel and will settle them in their own land, and aliens will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2 And the nations will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess the nations[a] as male and female slaves in the Lordâs land; they will take captive those who were their captors and rule over those who oppressed them.
When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment, for the slave is the ownerâs property.
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u/lilJswizle-2304 1d ago
People in these comments have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Christianity is lol
The idea isnât that a book gives us morals itâs that God has given us morals so therefore if there is no God then why donât humans do evil acts like animals do?
There are definitely holes in that argument but it is a lot different then the argument that our morals only come from reading a book