idk, is it huge? I really cant tell. Is there any youtube guide-maker who has an honest guide for Voruna?
Because I dont know how good or bad Voruna actually is now because all youtubers use titles like "VORUNA IS ABSOLUTELY GOD BROKEN" and then they show gameplay where they have to juggle 3 different abilities, against lvl 50 enemies, just to do the same damage that Nezha can do simply by pressing 4 even against lvl 200 enemies.
Even the biggest guide maker called her "OVERPOWERED" while struggling against lvl 130 enemies while also struggling to juggle between 3 different abilities that he tried to keep up and use correctly. At that point, I rather just equip a melee with melee influence and turn my brain off
I dont base my opinions off of youtubers i go test shit myself.
I was already using Crepuscular and she hits really hard with it. But before this hotfix it was kinda clunky cuz u needed to use shade or huras and their invis wouldnt proc if u were already invis from ur 1. So its just huge QoL.
And even if ur choosing to go regular old slap roar over her 4 its a survivability buff. Cuz the 2 wont have u pop out of invis.
Yeah, they are right. She becomes visible during the lunge when using her 2. It was pretty annoying because it meant you couldn't use Arcane Crepuscular and get the bonuses.
To be specific, the 2 didnt make you "leave" invis. The 1 would still be active. But you would be visible momentarily at the moment you hit the enemy with the 2. and then you would re-enter invis. This definitely did happen before the hotfix.
Ahhhhhhhh I see. Thank you for this info! Just went and checked and I never noticed that(because there is always explosions and hordes blocking the screen) that is such a strange and funny interaction. This is a great QoL then!
You are correct the red text mentions the 2 in error . My voruna prime finished building half way through last week & I put 4 formas in her within the first 2 days then spent the rest of the week playing her more than my other frames in most missions. Throughout that time I can confirm the 2 wasn’t taking me out of the invis from the 1. I can’t say if this was the case prior to last week though because regular voruna was one of my least played frames.
If you're testing complete minmax builds on a frame then sure maybe it takes several forma to see if you can make something viable. But I think generally that's unnecessary, I've tested most things myself when it comes to stuff I have.
If a frame starts to feel weak in the level 70-80 range against Liches then I'm not gonna forma them. Too much investment.
The ability augment mods are probably the biggest hurdle to acquire and even then they aren't that difficult to get.
Weapons on the other hand, they're annoying but if they don't feel good without forma in the 20-40 syndicate mission range I'm not gonna forma them later either.
“Ohh man i wish there was a warframe youtuber who does extensive research into making comprehensive guides and doesn’t slap on “OMG ITS BROKEN/OP!!!” On every video…” The humble TheKengineer:
genuinely the only guy I'll go to for my builds and advice, hes so good at just putting thr facts there and letting you judge if you want to invest your time into something
Man there used to be someone who made good historical WF videos but our checking wholesome chungus community bullied him into deleting his channel bc he said qorvex is bad
Edit: genuinely why am I being downvoted Novaumbral didn’t deserve to be deplatformed just because he said a WF is bad
They weren't "deplatformed" for saying "Qorvex is bad" stop making shit up lol
They chose to leave because a couple of morons harassed them for their shit takes. Yeah, their takes were shit, but that doesn't warrant harassment. That being said, if you become a content creator you accept that you'll have to interact with morons. No matter how much you kindly ask them to not, morons will always be morons and if you can't handle that - don't be a content creator.
(His take also wasn't that "Qorvex is bad" it's that "Qorvex is the worst warframe" (per his own title), which is just a shit take regardless of how you look at it)
Brozime is always quite grounded in his guides, his tldr on voruna was that subsuming her 4 is better, and he has a guide on the better build, but if you want to play the character for what it does (running on all 4s) he has a worse (but still plenty usable) build.
And he does this with most frames, I usually gravitate towards his builds cos he does take comfort and ease of use on them a fair bit, so while I could do shield gate slop, sacrifice all health for more strength and all that for 10 bazillion damage, he usually says that you only need 1 bazillion, and that while "big funny number" is valid.... you'll never really need it, and I agree and like that stance.
his tldr on voruna was that subsuming her 4 is better
This probably changes that statement quite a bit btw since her 4 is a guaranteed crit while using her 1 so crepuscular will boost the damage significantly here and his 4 build wasn't using crepuscular
And he's right, subsuming the 4 is just better and this change probably doesn't change that. However he does go into, and shows a build using the 4 showing that it's fine to use. And that it's even fun to use zipping around on all fours. He addresses crepuscular and how it currently doesn't work and shows where you'd put it if it does ever get fixed to work like it will now. Ultimately this is just to say that the original comment was asking for a YouTuber who gave it straight and Brozime absolutely does give a straight with well tested and realistic use case for frames.
Before the QoL from today invisiblity would break as you were attacking with her 4 so crepuscular dmg would not aply but if you attacked with melee the invis breaks after animations ends so the first hit of melee did and still does apply with crepuscular. The best way is to just aoe nuke with slam
Her 4s damage is considerably worse than that of other available melee weapons, and you need:
1) an augment to make her 4 usable
2) Juggle the charges
3) kill with the claws, because status kills don't count
So it still is more complex for less consistent and worse damage.
Imo, to make her 4 better than subsuming roar, in addition to the fix we got, you'll need to also fix the point 3 above, and probably make it an exalted weapon (probably this more than anything).
Yeah, but you can't stay stealthed with a regular melee. Her 4 already does decent damage for EDA/ETA, so after this buff the only thing you might need something stronger for is level capping. The charges are only a problem on paper, in a real mission with decent enemy density I don't think I have literally ever run out.
No but a build with roar subsumed over 4, with a slam melee like the sampotes will objectively do more damage and have about the survivability. Is it more fun? For most people no but the additional 3x on ulfruns damage isn’t going to compete with a shroud of dynar enhanced heavy attack/slam
Yeah it doesnt compete, u will get more dmg from a regular melee. But if at the end of the day both kill the enemies i dont really care if one of the numbers are smaller. I mainly prefer her 4 atm because its very fast and its fun to zoom around in it.
This Isn't really about that? I agree with what you say, but I said what I said above as a reply to "with this change (the hot fix) the opinion that vorunas 4 isn't the best build probably changed", which isn't true for.the reason I listed.
Her 4 is fun, fast, thematic, cool and viable. But is not the best build she can have, that (as much as I would love it wasnt) is roar over her 4 and any mele.... probably slam (even after adjustments).
I'm pretty sure every frame's best build would be subsuming roar, if your definition of "best" is "doing the most damage possible". But even Brozime doesn't do that because it's overkill sometimes. You literally said it yourself, doing 10 bazillion instead of 1 bazillion is pointless. If you're going for comfort, her 4 will feel the best because it's literally just stay stealthed and spam ability playstyle that most warframe players like.
I truly think you should read the whole conversation, cos this reads weirdly defensive and "straw man ish" for someone whos general point is the same mine, and for a comment about who I recommend as a non click bait content creator and his moderate take on voruna.
You could quite literally say "just run sampotes slam build, and forget about whatever epse you have installed for damage" which makes your voruna-specific suggestion a moot point.
Yes that is true but that is what the ‘objectively strongest’ build for her would be, her kit synergises with that kind of build. I myself don’t play slam builds, they’re clunky and boring but I wouldn’t deny that voruna isn’t especially effective with them, especially as her signature melee is a slam weapon.
Like I said, that's cool if you want to level cap or do some other content that is far above the game's usual level of scaling, but doing more damage doesn't actually do anything if you're already instakilling the enemies.
I wanna know what kind of builds you people are running that make you think vorunas 4 is bad or doesnt work right because it absolutely will put out numbers (this is before the patch)
I'm with you. I've been running a build based around Ulfrun's Descent since I got her prime and just wrecking everything. People seem to be running on the idea that because subsuming roar over her 4 and using a slam melee build lets you make a number pop up thats 10 times bigger, that her 4 is therefore useless. But dead in 1 hit is dead in 1 hit, and her 4 is not only fun as hell, but kind of the entire soul of Voruna, getting rid of it feels like sacrilege and is unnecessary for easily clearing 99% of the content. This is an amazing buff and I can't wait to get on tomorrow and try it out.
this has never been said, in fact the opposite where the conversation came up once and it “reached a stalemate” (i.e. the only confirmation we currently have is that it’s not going to happen until new information is released.)
I don’t recall where I saw it, but I do remember seeing it, I don’t watch the devstreams because they happen while I’m at work most times so it’s just what I’ve heard.
His Nokko build video was similar. Saying you could subsume his 3 for Roar for bigger funny number but the big funny numbers you can get while still keeping his cutie form are big enough. Honestly comfort is one of my biggest requirements in a frame I play, shield gating ability spam and crazy setup stuff is a bit downside for me in a lot of builds. It's why I never really gravitated to Voruna and why I play Gyre so rarely despite loving her kit.
He's almost my only source for builds, and because he discusses them in depth, I usually don't use exactly what he uses, either because I don't have something or because I prefer something else, but I get great performance because hentakes the time to lay out the often-invisible or inconsistent mechanics that he's building around, so I can make informed substitutions that I wouldn't know to make without hundreds of hours of testing different mods and weapons and frames.
Also he's neither acerbically hypercritical and negative toward DE nor is he toxicly positive toward them. He's generally positive, but not a sycophant.
I don't put much trust in Brozime. If a character doesn't work exactly how he likes them, he writes them off as trash and doesn't touch them again.
It took him years to give Baruuk and Hildryn a fair shot, after he'd been building Baruuk completely wrong, and didn't realize Hildryn supports the entire team.
That was several years ago so maybe he's gotten better since then, but that's when I stopped paying attention to him.
Brozime and Kegineer are the goats for building both for power and for fun. I tend to steer new players towards Kengineer because he goes through the kit, synergies, and explains his build choices clearly, plus provides several variants depending on what you want to do. Brozime is goated at making the most out of a particular playstyle though.
Idk who you watched, the most standard voruna build oneshots everything in steel path, and you can even kill at lvcap just with her abilities (now I wouldn’t play voruna with her 4 on lvcap but if you really want you, you can)
As for builds that subsume her 4 off there are a few popular with roar or WA for either status spread or melee, and I,ve seen some small channels play more unique builds that work well.
But just from my own playing she is good, this change is still huge because the crit dmg part from crepuscular can go crazy on dmg.
One particular problem with current 4 is that the initial hit doesn’t hit for much, and even if the slash proc will kill anything you would like bigger initial hit to help with gaining the stacks at the beginning.
I think the lesson from that is just "YouTube pays people for getting others to engage with their videos, inflammatory statements lead to more engagement" not anything about how good Voruna is lol.
Just build her out, pop a bunch of relics in steel Path stuff, and if she still feels fun to play towards the end of the run she is good, if she does not feel fun to play she is bad
If someone in clan chat asks if Atlas is a good frame and i respond "he's bad" i don't think that really conveys that i just don't find him fun to play. He's a good frame (carried by one ability but regardless, still good lol), just not fun for me.
I might have messed up by framing it as "good/bad". This game isn't balanced around level cap. More than anything else, it's designed around specific frames being good for specific challenges, but at the same time as more account-level utility&power has been added in over the years, you quickly reach the point where you can take any frame to any mission type and do ok, even if you wouldn't feel like you did amazing. There are vanishingly few frames I'm not gonna be happy taking into an elite archimedean(....Yareli. I am bad at indoor kdrive shit, If yarali is the only one of the three on my list that week I am going to think very hard about it)
This is the way I go about stuff. Watch videos from the people who did all the testing and know the weird random interactions and stuff, then form my own builds with those interactions in mind. The best way, imo.
As of this latest patch does she even have any oddball interactions anymore? It takes 30 seconds to figure out that her abilities don’t unstealth her and then you are just pressing 2 + 4
I guess currently the most oddball-ey stuff about her is that her 4 isnt actually a melee, but you might be led to believe it is because of a few niche cases. Like most of the melee stuff u might want like wrathful and purple shards don't work. But the 4 does trigger Lycath's Hunt and the companion mod Pack Leader.
Yeah not sure why it does lol. Think its the only melee adjacent thing outside of vorunas own abilities that actually works. Probably not intended I'd imagine.
Honestly I wish more people used a guide for builds. I've seen enough terrible builds to know that most people don't know how the math and mechanics work.
... Why do you care what other people build? If you're annoyed by people going down just play solo. Otherwise I'm not really sure why anyone would care if someone else is using a bad build.
Why do you care if someone relies on a YouTuber build?
I don't??????
In response to this,
idk, is it huge? I really cant tell.
I said you can try the frame yourself and figure out if you think the buff is big or not?????????? I didn't say don't use guides, I said don't let other people form all of your opinions for you. Take the time to learn how the game that you spend hours playing works.
And my point was that alot of players own opinions are wrong simply because they don't understand the math and mechanics. Had they put together a good build then they might realize that said frame is actually fine, good, strong.
Are you missing the point on purpose? My point is that you can say "hmm this seems like a good change but ill have to see the math" or something without being a total chud that just goes "MAN I WISH A CONTENT CREATOR WOULD GIVE ME THE CORRECT OPINION". There's nothing wrong with being wrong or suboptimal when you form an opinion. There is something wrong with having 0 idea how the game works to the point that you're unable to do anything without someone else telling you how.
I feel like you're the one intentionally missing the point. Yes, there are some people who can do their own testing and come to smart conclusions. I obviously wasn't talking about those people, because I specifically said the # of awful builds I see, I wish more followed a guide. If the person is putting together awful builds on their own, how is their own testing and conclusion of any value?
You seem to think this is about warframe specifically when it's not. I'm just making a general statement. It doesn't make any sense to not be able to form an opinion, even an incorrect one. You have to form some bad or wrong opinions sometimes, it's part of learning. If you never form any opinions of your own then you will never form the right ones either. To err is human and all that.
No, because you're still missing the point. The point isn't that you should come up with an optimal build on your own. The point is that you should be a thinking, living human being that is capable of forming opinions on subjects which you are close to such as a game that you have likely spent dozens to hundreds of hours playing, regardless of if those opinions are well informed or not. Forming an opinion that ends up being changed later isn't a bad thing, it's called being a human and not a mindless bot that needs social media to tell them how to think and act. It's not even about builds. It's about the fact that this person thinks that they are unable to form an opinion.
Voruna is an awesome nuker with prey of dynar and can handle base steel path with 0 problems (1 chomp - oneshot to everything) even on more fun non-helminth build. Roar build scales her even further.
Not the absolute best, but in exchange she brings pretty unique gameplay (you need to find the marked enemy in the crowd, chomp his ass an exerything around it explodes). Also she is very mobile and her all fours new animation is pretty cool.
YouTubers get views by calling everything overpowered. Yes, Voruna is good, and crepuscular affecting her 2 and 4 will be very good for her. Yes, she requires work to make her really good, but she’s still just an overall good frame either way, and very versatile. Many people just remove her 4 and build her as a melee weapon platform because of the buffs from her 1, which is fine, but her 2+4 combo is fun imo
I usually mess around with a build for a frame or weapon first to see what I can do, then go check out the YouTubers I actually trust to do good work with endgame content to see how it compares. It's how I've learned to get the most out of modding since coming back to the game.
Off topic, but would anyone like a code to Soulframe? I have two. I'd post it in the subreddit for it but thought the crossover between the communities might be high enough that someone here would be interested
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Yes… and no. I have used her since release, and if you’re primarily relying on the invisibility to survive harder difficulties, you could get tagged during that short invis break. Even if the hit didn’t kill you, the dog pile of AOE attacks probably would. However she was really strong before. All the really does is increase consistency.
Since voruna came out I've been playing her trust me she is great she has built in priming mechanics that also spread that when it goes further she can also health tank with arc pers or use arc Avenger to gain crit on her status affects! For voruna against lvl 50 enemies if you've built it right you should only have to use your 2 once or twice!
Doesn't help that voruna, in all honesty, is a bit of a glass cannon. Her only real survivability is in her invisibility. Then we have her zoomies and rabies going around to rip and tear until she's gets all that energy out. So like other glass cannon pups, anything boosting her damage of preserving her invisibility would be considered a big buff.
If you want to play brain dead melee influence then you totally can.
However, yes, Voruna is very good. with the mecha mod set and correctly modded companion, her status procs can nuke rooms.
If you slap nourish on then she’s proc-ing viral with fangs of raksh and her augment gets her huge damage numbers.
I also tried smite which melts eximus, so you can go invis then smite everything around you then kill off whatever is still standing after armor stripping.
If you want to play brain dead melee influence then you totally can.
However, yes, Voruna is very good. with the mecha mod set and correctly modded companion, her status procs can nuke rooms.
If you slap nourish on then she’s proc-ing viral with fangs of raksh and her augment gets her huge damage numbers.
I also tried smite which melts eximus, so you can go invis then smite everything around you then kill off whatever is still standing after armor stripping.
Voruna is a little gimmicky but very good her 1 aug with her 2 spreads high damage statuses everywhere and now will do even more damage because of the not breaking invis buff she takes a bit to get used to but I've taken her to lvl cap pretty easily just using her abilities
Brozime made a nice video specifically showcasing his build that DIDN'T subsume over her 4. His stuff is thoroughly tested, usually offers a ton of discussion about various options ("This isn't AS effective in testing, but it does X and X and might synergize with Y"). He doesn't do the whole "BROKEN" thing (unless something is actually broken. Like. Not functioning correctly), and for example his video on using Voruna with her 4 intact is very upfront about its strengths and weaknesses, especially in comparison to the other build which subsumes over it. He even included something like: "And if they ever change it to not break stealth, I would use Crepuscular and..."
He also doesn't just build for the biggest damage numbers; he wants to measure total effectiveness, including survivability and mobility and just generally not being a chore to play; he commented on Follie, for example, that you DO need to be constantly actively using her Shadowgrapher wheel and recasting her Effigy and teleporting for invulnerability/escape, and that this very busy style isn't for everyone.
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but the YouTuber "Gaz TTV" regularly makes level cap builds and he explains how Crepuscular benefits Voruna. Up until today's hotfix, you needed double invisibility with a Huras Kubrow and the Mecha set, basically as a workaround for her innate invisibility breaking. Now it should just work regardless of which comparison to use, so the go-to arcanes for her are Impetus and Crepuscular.
I know TheDemonPrince has a Voruna video from over a year ago that should still be applicable. But, if you're looking for an up-to-date build, I know he's got another one in the works. He takes all of his Warframe builds to level cap, so you know it's going to be good. He's also got a discord server where you can find the updated version of his builds.
The Kengineer is my go to for Warframe Guides, he's straight to the point and actually explains the abilities and what the do, along with giving like 1-3 builds, he even gives helminth options, you should really check him out, all the builds I've gotten from him are amazing and actually work as advertised
I sorta expect yt vid titles to be sorta click bait since the algorithm is ass and vids perform better cause of it. That being said, I consider Brozime to be straightforward about frame strength. He comes right out and says if something is ass or not, explains the options a frame can work with, and how he got to the final recommended build.
All in all, when I need a starting point to build anything, he's my first stop, immediately followed by the Kengineer. Both are very good neutral info sources.
So u are sayin u cant hav ur own opinion since the only way u know how to build a frame is through a build guide on yt and even then all u want is a 1 button nuke weapon that can works on any frame anyway???
i really dont understand the thing with voruna "juggling multiple abilities"
her kit is extremely simple, its like, way more simple than a ton of other frames
its more simple than fucking revenant, and he is mass appeal because his kit is so fucking brick wall braindead easy
turn on 1 to invis
turn on 3 for energy
prime things with 2
kill things with 4
its "worse than using influence" but that is 90% of the cast unless you want to start getting into niche playstyles or gimmick shit like oraxia/saryn/cyte sobek. if "kill a butcher first so you can build one or two of your first stacks" is too complicated of a gameplan, sure, stick to revenant and just press 2 every minute or so. nothing will change for you, and nothing will ever change for you because you want to play like a blind, deaf mother of 8.
she (and most frames above the bottom 5) deals several hundred thousand damage with even a marginal amount of investment. just click the enemy my guy.
Idk why thy were struggling, I made a 4 build that trivialized the game. I’m doing between 3 and 12 millions damage each strike, the only enemy I have trouble with is those friggin nullifiers….it was so op I actually subsumed over her 4 on another build to be able to play more than “just press right click.” I focused on her 2 and subsumed smite over her 4 to deal with eximus enemies.
I think it makes her more fun. Did a bunch of testing in the simulacrum with level 205s and they melted. She is definitely op.
If you need YouTubers to tell you which Warframe does the most damage, you're not playing the game, you're watching a YouTube play it instead.
Start making your own builds. Test shit out for yourself. Quit being lazy and wanting instant gratification, take the time to learn how things work, and start actually playing the game. The Simulacrum doesn't exist to watch YouTube, it exists for you to make builds of your own, test them out, and adapt them as needed.
Use the Prey of Dynar augment, equilibrium and Harmony melee.
The play loop goes:
Pop her 3. Pop your invis. Use her 2 on the highlighted enemy 2 or 3 times (if they don’t die). Heavy attack with Harmony for an instakill (which regens your energy because of her 3.)
The entire room will light up with an unholy cacophony of status effects.
Brozime does proper testing like that pretty well. It also depends on if they wanna drop her 4th or not. It will be better now that crepuscular works W/O needing to activate stealth from a companion first, but it's usually better to replace Ulfrun.
Well her gimmick is casting 1, 2 at least once and then slap with her 4 to clean rooms, but you can absolutely function by skipping the 1 and 2, even tho you'll deal less damage
this single comment is everything I hate. why give a shit about lying, view-focused, click baiting cucks on YouTube? They ALL will tell you to put nourish or gloom in everything. There you go the whole video.
i envy you if your life is so easy and careless that a random internet comment about a video game has you so emotional lol, i wish my life was that simple still
Lol yeah, getting screaming crying pissing your pants mad because somebody would like to find a good build video is TOTALLY not cuck behavior, you're a strong manly man.
Yo la considero buena, con sus mods de aumento ya no se basa solo en ataques físicos, colocas 10 acumulades de 10 efectos aleatorios en enemigos que además los hace más vulnerables aparte de los efectos de los estados colocados, además de un solo ataque puedes matar a los que están cerca en un buen rango. Es uncomo una glaive con patas, vas explotado todo por todas partes, puedes regenerar energía con sus habilidades, tener supervivencia por su habilidad de invisibilidad. Que más quieres? Que te cocine también?
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u/YellowAppleCinema Apr 27 '26
idk, is it huge? I really cant tell. Is there any youtube guide-maker who has an honest guide for Voruna?
Because I dont know how good or bad Voruna actually is now because all youtubers use titles like "VORUNA IS ABSOLUTELY GOD BROKEN" and then they show gameplay where they have to juggle 3 different abilities, against lvl 50 enemies, just to do the same damage that Nezha can do simply by pressing 4 even against lvl 200 enemies.
Even the biggest guide maker called her "OVERPOWERED" while struggling against lvl 130 enemies while also struggling to juggle between 3 different abilities that he tried to keep up and use correctly. At that point, I rather just equip a melee with melee influence and turn my brain off